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LOL...she will have a story for life.

 

 

And I don't think it would be one to be proud of. It's pretty tough to go over board unless your standing on a chair or table. Booze and stupidity don't mix.

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I don't blame NCL for the spring breakers at all, they are in the business to sell out the ship and make money. With cruising it's always buyer beware. You will encounter spring breakers this time of year, young children in the summertime and holiday season. This is why it's important to do as much research as possible when booking high volume times of year.

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This whole thread reminds me of my first cruise. I was the spring breaker (and I hope I was respectful, but I know there were many of us!), But we had someone go overboard during our cruise, and it ended up being a crew member. The found her alive, about 10 hours later.

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A group of 32 of us were on the Epic when this happened. In fact, 5 of us were eating dinner in the steak house and watched as crew members all went out back to try to locate her. Crew was immediately on top of it. As far as the college kids... We didn't mind them in the least. We partied right along with them. Take the time to talk to them. Yes, the outside bars were constantly packed- have patience. We stayed on the 13th floor. Most college students went to club Bliss at night. We went to H20- had the best time.

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I have absolutely no sympathy for a FIFTY TWO year old woman climbing up on the railing to take a SELFIE. Ugh. Great role model.

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At the bar Maltings we hardly saw any college kids and Alan was an amazing bartender!!!

 

 

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Maltings was my go-to bad on the Epic during out last cruise, Glad to hear Alan is still serving. He looked after us well...other than the hangover from working through the Whisky menu.

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I have to say, this was my family’s first and last cruise with NCL. We encountered so many logistical issues... now mix in a bunch of drunk kids (from Florida, no less) and the entire trip was more stressful than relaxing. By the time we got off the ship this morning, my husband, 7-year old son and I would have given just about anything to be anywhere but there. What a waste of our hard-earned money. NCL, we gave you a shot. Now Back to Royal Caribbean!

 

Wouldn't it be possible that Royal Caribbean gets Spring Break crowds also at this time of year? I'll bet that they do. Just saying. Try cruising during a different time period to see.

 

I was happy to hear that the woman was successfully rescued.

 

BTW, this incident was just announced this morning on ABC News.

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Wouldn't it be possible that Royal Caribbean gets Spring Break crowds also at this time of year? I'll bet that they do. Just saying. Try cruising during a different time period to see.

 

I was happy to hear that the woman was successfully rescued.

 

BTW, this incident was just announced this morning on ABC News.

I saw it, loved how they said she fell into the frigid waters of the Atlantic. Not sure that word means what they think it does.

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At the bar Maltings we hardly saw any college kids and Alan was an amazing bartender!!!

 

 

JennaMae

 

Yup. I was at ths bar and didn’t even blink an eye when the 52yo fell. “Booze cruise “ !!!

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Same here.... I'm also going with a large group (somewhere around 600-700 I think) but we are a respectful group that also parties. These reports were making me worry too.

 

On a weird side note.... last year I went on the Carnival Liberty right after that guy jumped overboard, this year I'm going on the Epic right after the lady went overboard.... I'm booked for Epic again Early next March so if your on the boat before that, HOLD ON and don't climb any rails for crying out loud!!

 

 

Everything comes in 3s.

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As a 29 year old party girl I would definitely say they overwhelmed the ship. They were university of Florida students. Most of them were wearing Greek letters. Individually many of them seemed like decent kids but they OVERWHELMED everything. I’ve been on the Dawn out of NOLA and a 6 day on the escape and it was a very different vibe. Extremely hard to get drinks at almost ANY bar. I was in a studio so I didn’t hear them in the halls. They were almost all 4 to a room. I’m curious what the capacity was. This has lead me to decide to cancel a future cruise and stick to land based vacations. I wouldn’t have minded some spring breakers but the sheer numbers of them was insane.

 

 

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I am on a cruise April 1. Before selecting a cruise I did a search and spent an hour counting how many schools had spring break by week. Actually this year April is a slower month. Also I picked a longer cruise. Is this sailing a 7 day or one of the shorter cruises? Someone once told me that 7 day sailing don't tend to have as many kids... a money thing.... I wish I could recall the site I used to determine spring break schedule...but before giving up on cruises...consider longer ones and look for who is on break. Now I have not found one covering high schools and grammar schools... my next challenge

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For future reference.... consult this site concerning spring breaks

http://www.studentcity.com/when-is-my-spring-break

From my spreadsheet week of Feb 29 ... 19 schools; Mar 3 ... 220 (Disney says to avoid Mar 10- Apr 7); Mar 10....382 schoold; Mar 17... 152 schoold; Mar 24 90 schools... Mar 31 24 schools

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This cruise was possibly one of the worst experiences my wife and I have ever had while on vacation. This was our first cruise, so we don't have much to compare with. We are told by a lot of people that NCL was the quite cruiseline, compared to Carnival and Royal Caribbean. The shear amount of drunk people (collage aged or other) was intolerable. We are not alcohol drinkers (got that out of our systems long ago) so we just purchased the soda package, but how difficult it was to order a drink was horrible. The bed in our mini suite was horrible, I'd have to say that we have slept on better mattresses at motel 6. And many more issues to add to those. Due to the stress my wife endured on this cruise this may possibly be our first and only cruise. The only cruise we may take in the near future will be a Disney cruise next year with our 3 children. If we decide to ever cruise ourselves again we will be going Princess or Celebrity only. Also as far as this incident with the woman going overboard, I was in the smoking area on Deck 15 when this occurred. She lowered herself from the sundeck on 16 and placed her feet on the pipe that runs along the glass on 15. She lost her footing due to her drunken/high state and how windy it was. I saw this first hand. People did try to reach through the openings of the glass, but we're unable to reach her before she fell. I am thankful she did not die. But from my understanding she will be charged with some kind of crime. Also, as to her age, I did not get a good look at her before she fell, but from what I could see, I'd say she was definitely over the ago of 40 .

 

From the reports of this cruise I would not blame you for never wanting to cruise again. However, what is described as the behavior on this cruise is different than I have experienced. Factors to consider when picking a cruise that is not so, well let's say, "lively" are:

 

1. cruise line -- Carnival, Norwegian, and Royal Caribbean are the most likely to have partiers on them; their ships cater to young people (zip lines, rock climbing walls, etc.) and they market themselves (sometimes) as party ships; they are generally less expensive than other lines, which also attracts families and younger people; luxury lines are going to be fun but not drunken party boats (even with all drinks complimentary)

 

2. length of cruise -- the longer the cruise the more likely to have older cruisers; four-day and seven-day cruises are cheaper and attract people who are in school or working; longer cruises attract more retirees

 

3. time of year -- when school is out, more kids will be on the cruise, including young adults; there is no set time for "spring break" but avoiding spring and summer will reduce the chances of a large number of young adults and kids

 

4. "all-you-can-drink" packages -- a lot of cruise lines have these now and they are going to encourage a lot of drinking (or cater to people who do a lot of drinking); if you can find a cruise line that does not offer these drink packages, you are more likely to avoid these problems (although, as noted above, all-inclusive luxury lines do not present a problem).

 

 

Good luck on your next vacation--whether on the seas or on land.

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Clearly this is not just a "Carnival thing". Anywhere you go during Spring break is a mess. I hate when stuff like this hurts the cruise industry. A good chunk of the people who have never cruised before only hear "college parties on the boat" and "people falling off" not knowing what the facts are.

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If you live in the U.S. and expect to go on a short cruise from the U.S. in March and not have it be overrun with drunk college students, you must live under a rock.

 

I've seen posts that say things like, in my little hometown, Spring Break is the last week of March, so I figured the entire country would be on break at the exact same time. How was I supposed to know the second week of March would have college kids on board? :rolleyes:

 

smh

 

If you sail in March on a short cruise and have a bad time because of drunk kids, you have yourself to blame just as much as the drunk kids.

 

No matter where or when you are cruising, DO YOUR RESEARCH. I'm heading to Australia in a few weeks, and I looked up when spring/Easter break is for every territory, and took that into account, as well as the length of the cruise, and the ship I'll be on. I did the same for my cruise a few years ago in the Mediterranean, which was during summer holidays. The length of cruise, ports, and cruise line made me think that kids wouldn't be much of a problem, and I was right. You can cruise during spring break, and summer holidays, just pick the right itinerary and ship and you'll be JUST fine.

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For future reference.... consult this site concerning spring breaks

www.studentcity.com/when-is-my-spring-break

From my spreadsheet week of Feb 29 ... 19 schools; Mar 3 ... 220 (Disney says to avoid Mar 10- Apr 7); Mar 10....382 schoold; Mar 17... 152 schoold; Mar 24 90 schools... Mar 31 24 schools

 

Great website thanks for posting.

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Anyone who witnessed the passenger going overboard, might want to contact the cruise line. News reports say the woman was sitting on the rail trying for a selfie. If she did voluntarily go over the side and climb outside the ship from deck 16 to 15... she is clearly at fault. My concern is that friends and family are trying to rewrite history to imply that NCL is somehow at fault. So if the facts are different, important to get the correct info to those in authority. I was on Oasis when a passenger jumped off the ship and onto the lifeboat davit and ultimately fell into the water, never to be seen again. The odd thing was that his spouse video taped the whole encounter... from the time security arrived at their cabin, after reports of a fight and through the victim running out of the cabin towards the balcony. Who starts a video BEFORE anything happens.

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If you live in the U.S. and expect to go on a short cruise from the U.S. in March and not have it be overrun with drunk college students, you must live under a rock.

 

I've seen posts that say things like, in my little hometown, Spring Break is the last week of March, so I figured the entire country would be on break at the exact same time. How was I supposed to know the second week of March would have college kids on board? :rolleyes:

 

smh

 

If you sail in March on a short cruise and have a bad time because of drunk kids, you have yourself to blame just as much as the drunk kids.

 

No matter where or when you are cruising, DO YOUR RESEARCH. I'm heading to Australia in a few weeks, and I looked up when spring/Easter break is for every territory, and took that into account, as well as the length of the cruise, and the ship I'll be on. I did the same for my cruise a few years ago in the Mediterranean, which was during summer holidays. The length of cruise, ports, and cruise line made me think that kids wouldn't be much of a problem, and I was right. You can cruise during spring break, and summer holidays, just pick the right itinerary and ship and you'll be JUST fine.

 

 

Thought I had read it was a 52 year old. That's hardly a drunken college kid!

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As a 29 year old party girl I would definitely say they overwhelmed the ship. This has lead me to decide to cancel a future cruise and stick to land based vacations. I wouldn’t have minded some spring breakers but the sheer numbers of them was insane.

 

 

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Please don't let this unfortunate experience keep you from cruising again. Cruising is a wonderful way to travel and see many different places, not to mention the exceptional value you receive for your money. Next time, try another cruise line, or a different time of year. Please don't give up !

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My hats off to the captain and entire staff of the NCL Epic. Its very rare to rescue a passenger falling or jumping overboard. Even more challenging it happened at night. There is a 15% chance of finding and rescuing someone alive. The quick actions of the captain and crew no doubt saved a life.

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Thought I had read it was a 52 year old. That's hardly a drunken college kid!

 

Please show me in my post where I said the person who went overboard was a college kid. :rolleyes:

 

My response was directed towards the multitude of posts in this thread like this

 

Given that it is not spring break for everyone across the country and that this boat was marketed to spring breakers, there is a definite responsibility on behalf of NCL to have let non spring breakers be aware that this ship was marketed as such. My husband and I have been on over 20 ncl cruises, many of them music cruises, and we have never seen anything like this. My kids couldn't even access the pool through the entire duration. My 14 year old tried climbing in to a hot tub at one point and a fight broke out between the spring breakers warranting security to intervene. We couldn't enjoy our balcony because drunken people were screaming "land ahoy" at all hours, smoking weed, blasting music, and throwing things over board. This is in addition to the multiple bathrooms we went in that were laden with vomit.

 

We had a great time, but are very disappointed in NCL.

 

I’m 29 and like to party a lot. Their behavior generally didn’t bother me - it was jus the sheer numbers of them overwhelming things that was frustrating. In the day it was the pools/hot tub and at night it was the casinos etc. I never even attempted to go to Bliss. The bar service was actually as bad as people say it is sometimes (I never experienced that on Escape or Dawn). Many servers/staff would only allow you one drink at a time/per card which isn’t the norm. The only perk was sometimes people thought I was one of them so it made me feel like I looked younger. But then again I think some stuff would purposefully not give us drinks cause they assumed we were with them. I had a great time with my friends but I felt like I had to keep making excuses and explaining it wasn’t like this most of the time. I definitely will never book again anytime close to this. I didn’t realize schools had spring breaks so early. Mine were always around st. Patrick’s day.

 

 

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Our first cruise was March 1998 on CCL. This cruise was a gift so we didn't pick this time. We left out of New Orleans . This was a strange deal, you either started your cruise in New Orleans or Tampa . So our first stop was Tampa where a bunch debarked and a bunch embarked. Well everyone getting on in Tampa was smart ass ready to party college kids. This may come as a shock but we had barely left Tampa when a huge huge group that already had a buzz on and had e mind set this was their cruise and to heck with everyone else, well when security finished with them the word spread like a bad cancer because the behavior changed.

It just seems that rather than pissing off all the other passengers that if security would straighten out a big crowd the word would spread that the students don't rule.

Out of 25 cruises we have probably been on 7 spring break cruises and the one where we picked up the college kids from Florida was headed to being the worse.

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I feel bad for the families on this cruise.

 

We cruise over our kids, spring break, which is often the same as college spring breaks, and have never encountered this.

 

NCL made two business decisions: to sell the unlimited beverage package to individuals under 25 and to take a ship and port that normally has 7 day cruises and switch them to a 3 and a 4 day cruise. Those decisions align perfectly with the marketing decision to go directly to college campuses and sell the cruise to students.

 

Maybe they are banking on getting all of these students as future cruise passengers. I don't know how else they thought they could make money on 4 people to a room with unlimited drinks (although, come to think of it, 2 of those people had to pay for beverage package). It is not like this demographic was going to buy art in the gallery or pay big bucks for shore excursions.

 

Maybe they think the current and future revenue from these college passengers will outweigh the lost revenue from the families on the cruise who are now permanently turned away from the brand and possibly even cruising as a whole.

 

I feel bad: for the families and other travelers whose vacations were ruined; for the stewards and other staff who had to clean up after the drunken hoard; and for the poor bartenders who were probably grossly overworked, undertipped and under-appreciated.

 

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But shouldn't other cruisers take the time to research this cruise, take into consideration that it is a shorter cruise that occurs during Spring Break, and make a decision that they will be okay with a party atmosphere? Also, many cruise lines sell unlimited drink packages, but even those that don't have people who overindulge. You can't say it is the cruise lines fault. Would someone who is trying to diet say the unlimited food is the cruise lines fault too? Everyone has the responsibility to limit their consumption. People need to be held accountable for their own actions. Just my opinion

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I would either book a long cruise 10 days or more, another cruise line, they have no way of affording or a Med Cruise. I do everything to avoid a booze cruise. I realize not everyone can do this, but no college kids in Oct or Nov

 

 

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I saw it, loved how they said she fell into the frigid waters of the Atlantic. Not sure that word means what they think it does.

frig·id

ˈfrijid/

adjective

very cold in temperature.

"frigid water"

synonyms:very cold,*bitterly cold,*bitter,*freezing,*frozen,*frosty,*icy,*gelid,*chilly,*chill,*wintry,*bleak,*subzero,*arctic,*Siberian,*bone-chilling,*polar,*glacial,*hypothermic;

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"a frigid January night"

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I have absolutely no sympathy for a FIFTY TWO year old woman climbing up on the railing to take a SELFIE. Ugh. Great role model.

 

 

This kind of stupidity is alarmingly common.

 

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frig·id

ˈfrijid/

adjective

very cold in temperature.

"frigid water"

synonyms:very cold,*bitterly cold,*bitter,*freezing,*frozen,*frosty,*icy,*gelid,*chilly,*chill,*wintry,*bleak,*subzero,*arctic,*Siberian,*bone-chilling,*polar,*glacial,*hypothermic;

informalnippy

"a frigid January night"

 

Not sure that's the word I would use to describe the water near the Bahamas in March, but at an average of 73-77 degrees (according to Google), I wouldn't want to jump in - that's cold to me. One Bahamas scuba diving website recommends a 5mm wetsuit in March.

 

This page has some interesting info about hypothermia. If the woman survived the fall and wasn't rescued, she'd have been dead in hours, with the added factors of alcohol, and no flotation device.

 

http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/coastal_communities/hypothermia

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Hope other people sailing on Epic in the next four weeks will have a better experience. I sail on her in May in the Med.

 

I'm on the May 9th sailing and have the same hopes as you.

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I have absolutely no sympathy for a FIFTY TWO year old woman climbing up on the railing to take a SELFIE. Ugh. Great role model.

 

 

Ok but at least the captain saved her. Perhaps there is more to the story.

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Sailing next Saturday, St. Paddy's Day. Drunken college students and wanna-be Irish. Should be fun.

 

Not complaining..........

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Recovered and even at night is a miracle for her and her family! [emoji33]. Amazing captain and crew I would say!!!!

 

 

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Yes, research is fine, but many do not have a choice when to cruise as limited by their children’s school schedule, their own work schedule etc. And we have been on 7 day cruises loaded with drunk college kids, so it is not only the shorter ones.

 

Another suggestion, try MSC out of Miami. We are on it now (second week march) and not a one. I don’t think they market at all to that demographic. Passengers are about 60% European, not heavy boozers, the cruise line does even bother to try and collect booze at ports because they just don’t seem to have the drunken passenger problem. We’ve seen this on 2 MSC cruises. (Or rather not seen ... drunken behavior any age.)

 

 

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Not sure that's the word I would use to describe the water near the Bahamas in March, but at an average of 73-77 degrees (according to Google), I wouldn't want to jump in - that's cold to me. One Bahamas scuba diving website recommends a 5mm wetsuit in March.

 

This page has some interesting info about hypothermia. If the woman survived the fall and wasn't rescued, she'd have been dead in hours, with the added factors of alcohol, and no flotation device.

 

http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/coastal_communities/hypothermia

 

70's water temp is awesome swimming temps. That's about as hot as my pool gets would be upper 70's to low 80's in the hottest part of summer in Iowa. Then again we dive under the ice up here.

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70's water temp is awesome swimming temps. That's about as hot as my pool gets would be upper 70's to low 80's in the hottest part of summer in Iowa. Then again we dive under the ice up here.
It's fine for a while, but the human body is around 98.6 degrees and being in anything that "cold" will slowly drop your body temp until you have hypothermia. I went diving in Cozumel where the water was about 80, and by the end of the second dive, I was incredibly cold. It took until I was back on the ship for me to feel warm again. You won't survive indefinitely in 70 degree water.

 

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It's fine for a while, but the human body is around 98.6 degrees and being in anything that "cold" will slowly drop your body temp until you have hypothermia. I went diving in Cozumel where the water was about 80, and by the end of the second dive, I was incredibly cold. It took until I was back on the ship for me to feel warm again. You won't survive indefinitely in 70 degree water.

 

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The lack of floatation device would likely have caused problems before the water temp. Multiple factors do get involved when talking effects of hypothermia on the human body besides the water temperature. Indefinitely no, but it's longer than a couple hours. Though other things can also effect the ability to survive. Heck just avoid becoming lunch. Back in my youth in the Navy they always pointed out if you went overboard, avoided injuries on the way down or during impact, even in calm and warm enough water, there was a good chance you could become a victim before rescue.

 

Glad she's ok, wasn't seriously injured, and hope that she's learned a valuable lesson, and others will learn from it too. DO NOT screw around on railings!! She's extremely lucky to be alive for a multitude of reasons.

One would think a 52yo would know better.

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...........She's extremely lucky to be alive for a multitude of reasons.

One would think a 52yo would know better.

 

Stupidity has no age limits.

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The lack of floatation device would likely have caused problems before the water temp.

I read that one of the witnesses who saw her go over threw a flotation device to her.

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The lack of floatation device would likely have caused problems before the water temp. Multiple factors do get involved when talking effects of hypothermia on the human body besides the water temperature. Indefinitely no, but it's longer than a couple hours. Though other things can also effect the ability to survive. Heck just avoid becoming lunch. Back in my youth in the Navy they always pointed out if you went overboard, avoided injuries on the way down or during impact, even in calm and warm enough water, there was a good chance you could become a victim before rescue.

 

Glad she's ok, wasn't seriously injured, and hope that she's learned a valuable lesson, and others will learn from it too. DO NOT screw around on railings!! She's extremely lucky to be alive for a multitude of reasons.

One would think a 52yo would know better.

 

Having been trained in cold water survival, I completely agree with the tables presented in the other poster's link. Note that it says "exhaustion" within 2-3 hours (60-80* water), and once exhaustion sets in, you cannot tread water or keep your face out of the water, and that is when a flotation device takes over, or you drown. Also, having a flotation device removes some of the energy expended, so the "exhaustion" stage moves along the scale. Age, physical condition, health, and clothing also have a huge impact in survivability in even temperate waters.

 

It used to be that ship's crews were only required to have "survival" or "immersion" suits if you were routing north of a certain latitude. Now, they are required for all ships, everywhere in the world, because the effects of temperate water hypothermia are better understood.

 

Water transfers heat about 20 times faster than air, so there is a difference between recreational swimming, where you are in and out of the water, and treading water, where only your head is out of the water for long periods.

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