NCL Epic passenger overboard?

[Cruzin-K]

Thought I had read it was a 52 year old. That's hardly a drunken college kid!

 

Please show me in my post where I said the person who went overboard was a college kid. :rolleyes:

 

My response was directed towards the multitude of posts in this thread like this

 

Given that it is not spring break for everyone across the country and that this boat was marketed to spring breakers, there is a definite responsibility on behalf of NCL to have let non spring breakers be aware that this ship was marketed as such. My husband and I have been on over 20 ncl cruises, many of them music cruises, and we have never seen anything like this. My kids couldn't even access the pool through the entire duration. My 14 year old tried climbing in to a hot tub at one point and a fight broke out between the spring breakers warranting security to intervene. We couldn't enjoy our balcony because drunken people were screaming "land ahoy" at all hours, smoking weed, blasting music, and throwing things over board. This is in addition to the multiple bathrooms we went in that were laden with vomit.

 

We had a great time, but are very disappointed in NCL.

 

I’m 29 and like to party a lot. Their behavior generally didn’t bother me - it was jus the sheer numbers of them overwhelming things that was frustrating. In the day it was the pools/hot tub and at night it was the casinos etc. I never even attempted to go to Bliss. The bar service was actually as bad as people say it is sometimes (I never experienced that on Escape or Dawn). Many servers/staff would only allow you one drink at a time/per card which isn’t the norm. The only perk was sometimes people thought I was one of them so it made me feel like I looked younger. But then again I think some stuff would purposefully not give us drinks cause they assumed we were with them. I had a great time with my friends but I felt like I had to keep making excuses and explaining it wasn’t like this most of the time. I definitely will never book again anytime close to this. I didn’t realize schools had spring breaks so early. Mine were always around st. Patrick’s day.

 

 

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[cruisinmeme]

Our first cruise was March 1998 on CCL. This cruise was a gift so we didn't pick this time. We left out of New Orleans . This was a strange deal, you either started your cruise in New Orleans or Tampa . So our first stop was Tampa where a bunch debarked and a bunch embarked. Well everyone getting on in Tampa was smart ass ready to party college kids. This may come as a shock but we had barely left Tampa when a huge huge group that already had a buzz on and had e mind set this was their cruise and to heck with everyone else, well when security finished with them the word spread like a bad cancer because the behavior changed.

It just seems that rather than pissing off all the other passengers that if security would straighten out a big crowd the word would spread that the students don't rule.

Out of 25 cruises we have probably been on 7 spring break cruises and the one where we picked up the college kids from Florida was headed to being the worse.

[DesertGal40]

I feel bad for the families on this cruise.

 

We cruise over our kids, spring break, which is often the same as college spring breaks, and have never encountered this.

 

NCL made two business decisions: to sell the unlimited beverage package to individuals under 25 and to take a ship and port that normally has 7 day cruises and switch them to a 3 and a 4 day cruise. Those decisions align perfectly with the marketing decision to go directly to college campuses and sell the cruise to students.

 

Maybe they are banking on getting all of these students as future cruise passengers. I don't know how else they thought they could make money on 4 people to a room with unlimited drinks (although, come to think of it, 2 of those people had to pay for beverage package). It is not like this demographic was going to buy art in the gallery or pay big bucks for shore excursions.

 

Maybe they think the current and future revenue from these college passengers will outweigh the lost revenue from the families on the cruise who are now permanently turned away from the brand and possibly even cruising as a whole.

 

I feel bad: for the families and other travelers whose vacations were ruined; for the stewards and other staff who had to clean up after the drunken hoard; and for the poor bartenders who were probably grossly overworked, undertipped and under-appreciated.

 

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But shouldn't other cruisers take the time to research this cruise, take into consideration that it is a shorter cruise that occurs during Spring Break, and make a decision that they will be okay with a party atmosphere? Also, many cruise lines sell unlimited drink packages, but even those that don't have people who overindulge. You can't say it is the cruise lines fault. Would someone who is trying to diet say the unlimited food is the cruise lines fault too? Everyone has the responsibility to limit their consumption. People need to be held accountable for their own actions. Just my opinion

[LMW1330]

I would either book a long cruise 10 days or more, another cruise line, they have no way of affording or a Med Cruise. I do everything to avoid a booze cruise. I realize not everyone can do this, but no college kids in Oct or Nov

 

 

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[samshltn]

:):)

I saw it, loved how they said she fell into the frigid waters of the Atlantic. Not sure that word means what they think it does.

frig·id

ˈfrijid/

adjective

very cold in temperature.

"frigid water"

synonyms:very cold,*bitterly cold,*bitter,*freezing,*frozen,*frosty,*icy,*gelid,*chilly,*chill,*wintry,*bleak,*subzero,*arctic,*Siberian,*bone-chilling,*polar,*glacial,*hypothermic;

informalnippy

"a frigid January night"

[samshltn]

I have absolutely no sympathy for a FIFTY TWO year old woman climbing up on the railing to take a SELFIE. Ugh. Great role model.

 

 

This kind of stupidity is alarmingly common.

 

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[Cruzin-K]

frig·id

ˈfrijid/

adjective

very cold in temperature.

"frigid water"

synonyms:very cold,*bitterly cold,*bitter,*freezing,*frozen,*frosty,*icy,*gelid,*chilly,*chill,*wintry,*bleak,*subzero,*arctic,*Siberian,*bone-chilling,*polar,*glacial,*hypothermic;

informalnippy

"a frigid January night"

 

Not sure that's the word I would use to describe the water near the Bahamas in March, but at an average of 73-77 degrees (according to Google), I wouldn't want to jump in - that's cold to me. One Bahamas scuba diving website recommends a 5mm wetsuit in March.

 

This page has some interesting info about hypothermia. If the woman survived the fall and wasn't rescued, she'd have been dead in hours, with the added factors of alcohol, and no flotation device.

 

http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/coastal_communities/hypothermia

[Sailing12Away]

Hope other people sailing on Epic in the next four weeks will have a better experience. I sail on her in May in the Med.

 

I'm on the May 9th sailing and have the same hopes as you.

[Oceansaway17]

I have absolutely no sympathy for a FIFTY TWO year old woman climbing up on the railing to take a SELFIE. Ugh. Great role model.

 

 

Ok but at least the captain saved her. Perhaps there is more to the story.

[softl]

Sailing next Saturday, St. Paddy's Day. Drunken college students and wanna-be Irish. Should be fun.

 

Not complaining..........

[Goldconnection]

Unfortunately DH and I were on the Pearl in 2008 when a passenger went over board. Her body was never recovered. It was never determined if she jumped or was pushed off. http://www.truecrimereport.com/2008/12/missing_from_the_norwegian_pea.php

She was with on board with her husband and her mom. Glad to hear this incident had a happy ending.

[EmeraldCoastCruisers]

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Recovered and even at night is a miracle for her and her family! [emoji33]. Amazing captain and crew I would say!!!!

 

 

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[TrinaLC]

Yes, research is fine, but many do not have a choice when to cruise as limited by their children’s school schedule, their own work schedule etc. And we have been on 7 day cruises loaded with drunk college kids, so it is not only the shorter ones.

 

Another suggestion, try MSC out of Miami. We are on it now (second week march) and not a one. I don’t think they market at all to that demographic. Passengers are about 60% European, not heavy boozers, the cruise line does even bother to try and collect booze at ports because they just don’t seem to have the drunken passenger problem. We’ve seen this on 2 MSC cruises. (Or rather not seen ... drunken behavior any age.)

 

 

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[Farmer at sea]

Not sure that's the word I would use to describe the water near the Bahamas in March, but at an average of 73-77 degrees (according to Google), I wouldn't want to jump in - that's cold to me. One Bahamas scuba diving website recommends a 5mm wetsuit in March.

 

This page has some interesting info about hypothermia. If the woman survived the fall and wasn't rescued, she'd have been dead in hours, with the added factors of alcohol, and no flotation device.

 

http://www.seagrant.umn.edu/coastal_communities/hypothermia

 

70's water temp is awesome swimming temps. That's about as hot as my pool gets would be upper 70's to low 80's in the hottest part of summer in Iowa. Then again we dive under the ice up here.

[Cruzin-K]

70's water temp is awesome swimming temps. That's about as hot as my pool gets would be upper 70's to low 80's in the hottest part of summer in Iowa. Then again we dive under the ice up here.

It's fine for a while, but the human body is around 98.6 degrees and being in anything that "cold" will slowly drop your body temp until you have hypothermia. I went diving in Cozumel where the water was about 80, and by the end of the second dive, I was incredibly cold. It took until I was back on the ship for me to feel warm again. You won't survive indefinitely in 70 degree water.

 

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[Farmer at sea]

It's fine for a while, but the human body is around 98.6 degrees and being in anything that "cold" will slowly drop your body temp until you have hypothermia. I went diving in Cozumel where the water was about 80, and by the end of the second dive, I was incredibly cold. It took until I was back on the ship for me to feel warm again. You won't survive indefinitely in 70 degree water.

 

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The lack of floatation device would likely have caused problems before the water temp. Multiple factors do get involved when talking effects of hypothermia on the human body besides the water temperature. Indefinitely no, but it's longer than a couple hours. Though other things can also effect the ability to survive. Heck just avoid becoming lunch. Back in my youth in the Navy they always pointed out if you went overboard, avoided injuries on the way down or during impact, even in calm and warm enough water, there was a good chance you could become a victim before rescue.

 

Glad she's ok, wasn't seriously injured, and hope that she's learned a valuable lesson, and others will learn from it too. DO NOT screw around on railings!! She's extremely lucky to be alive for a multitude of reasons.

One would think a 52yo would know better.

[ColinIllinois]

...........She's extremely lucky to be alive for a multitude of reasons.

One would think a 52yo would know better.

 

Stupidity has no age limits.

[Two Wheels Only]

The lack of floatation device would likely have caused problems before the water temp.

I read that one of the witnesses who saw her go over threw a flotation device to her.

[chengkp75]

The lack of floatation device would likely have caused problems before the water temp. Multiple factors do get involved when talking effects of hypothermia on the human body besides the water temperature. Indefinitely no, but it's longer than a couple hours. Though other things can also effect the ability to survive. Heck just avoid becoming lunch. Back in my youth in the Navy they always pointed out if you went overboard, avoided injuries on the way down or during impact, even in calm and warm enough water, there was a good chance you could become a victim before rescue.

 

Glad she's ok, wasn't seriously injured, and hope that she's learned a valuable lesson, and others will learn from it too. DO NOT screw around on railings!! She's extremely lucky to be alive for a multitude of reasons.

One would think a 52yo would know better.

 

Having been trained in cold water survival, I completely agree with the tables presented in the other poster's link. Note that it says "exhaustion" within 2-3 hours (60-80* water), and once exhaustion sets in, you cannot tread water or keep your face out of the water, and that is when a flotation device takes over, or you drown. Also, having a flotation device removes some of the energy expended, so the "exhaustion" stage moves along the scale. Age, physical condition, health, and clothing also have a huge impact in survivability in even temperate waters.

 

It used to be that ship's crews were only required to have "survival" or "immersion" suits if you were routing north of a certain latitude. Now, they are required for all ships, everywhere in the world, because the effects of temperate water hypothermia are better understood.

 

Water transfers heat about 20 times faster than air, so there is a difference between recreational swimming, where you are in and out of the water, and treading water, where only your head is out of the water for long periods.

[new salt]

Not often the Darwin Awards are cheated!

[buddylover]

Another suggestion, try MSC out of Miami. We are on it now (second week march) and not a one. I don’t think they market at all to that demographic. Passengers are about 60% European, not heavy boozers, the cruise line does even bother to try and collect booze at ports because they just don’t seem to have the drunken passenger problem. We’ve seen this on 2 MSC cruises. (Or rather not seen ... drunken behavior any age.)

 

 

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The cruise lines don't collect "booze at ports" because of a drunken passenger problem......it is because it affects their "bottom line" in revenue. If passengers brought on their own booze, who would pay $9.95+ for a drink or buy an unlimited booze package.....that is where the cruise lines make BIG $$!!

[davesgirl51]

We were also on this cruise, and got onto Deck 15 just as people were still trying to hold onto her through slats in the glass, then she fell. We were told she climbed over on Deck 16, made her way down to 15, that's where she fell from. We didn't actually see her but were told she wasn't a spring breaker, that she was older than that.

 

Deck 16, inebriated, on the railing taking a selfie, in Bahamian waters, ship going 22 knots. Rescued in 32 minutes. Stupid broad. Kudos to the Captain and crew.

[dexddd]

Deck 16, inebriated, on the railing taking a selfie, in Bahamian waters, ship going 22 knots. Rescued in 32 minutes. Stupid broad. Kudos to the Captain and crew.

 

Is that her CC screen name?