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We are seasoned cruisers including international cruises.  We are thinking of taking our first Viking cruise (to see the Northern Lights hopefully on Viking's Feb. 2nd Northern Lights Cruise).  As we have never been on Viking, I have a  few questions and would welcome any and all inputs to help us decide on this cruise.  I know that we would be taking a chance with cancellation (thus 1 of my questions below).  (To give some perspective, we've been on RCCL--diamond, Celebrity--Elite & Carnival, Carnival only a few times.)  Here are a few questions (at least so far):

 

--What concerns or things  should we be aware of on Viking vs. RCCl and Celebrity?

--Does Viking offer drink packages to cover any cocktails and liquors you want at the bar/pool (if we make the pool when so cold----we are from South Louisiana)?

--Just want to confirm that the Explorer's Lounge is open for all on the cruise and not limited to "frequent" Viking cruisers or suite cruisers?

--Are there other lounges besides the Explorers Lounge?

--Is there any entertainment, rock music (even if 50's/60's/70's) to enjoy?

--Any trivia games or what activities do they have?

--We are looking at the Deluxe Veranda; any feedback on that class of cabin?

==What is Viking's current cancellation policy (assuming we book by August 31)?  If the cruise is cancelled by Viking, can we apply for a full refund or only get a FCC?

 

Thank you all in advance for your input & suggestions to this potential "Newbee" Viking cruiser.

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Just read your post; we had a similar cruising history to yours.  (Elite on Celebrity and Diamond on RCCL) plus Carnival, Norwegian, tours and cruises with Tauck and Vantage.  But then we were  captivated by our 1st Viking ocean cruise.  It was “Into The Midnight Sun”-same itinerary as “Northern Lights” but different season.  It was a WOW experience and we were hooked!  We next did “Scandinavia through the Kiel Canal” and are booked on “British Isles Explorer in April 2021.  
 

We have booked a deluxe veranda each time and love it; even love that they have a self serve laundry on each deck so I can keep up and not come home with suitcases full of dirty clothes at the end of the trip.  
 

Every detail on the ship has been thoughtfully done and delivers such warm vibes.  The dining choices are superb with specialty restaurants included rather than an extra and the food selections so memorable.  I could go on and on about the special meals we enjoyed.  
 

There are music venues around the ship, impressive art displays and the noise and commotion of art auctions, casinos and running kids are never there.  I have attended many presentations by speakers that present amazing presentations (which my husband has little interest in so he can spend uninterrupted time reading). 
 

I do miss trivia and maybe at some point that will be added.  We always take the included shore excursions in each port and the supplement with a few optional ones.  
 

Beer and wine is included at lunch and dinner so we haven’t added a Silver Spirits package but it is available.  There’s no loyalty exclusion spots and the Explorer Lounge is open to all always. The higher level cabins do get first opportunity to make dining and shore excursion reservations but I never had any problem getting reservations for our choices.  

 

We always pick first for itinerary, then value and make choices based on past experiences.  Sometimes we still pick a different company if we want a land tour or some particular destination.  And we always try to not have too much duplication.  But we always look at Viking’s site first. 
 

Our last trip was Jan 2020, had a May trip cancelled, and no place to go this fall.  Hoping next April’s trip is a go and then we have two more booked with Viking in 2022. The challenge is to stay healthy so we can make a few more bucket list stops. 
 

One more thing you asked was about cancellation policies.  If Viking cancels you will get all money back or the option of choosing a fcc of an additional amount.  If you’re thinking of booking, I wouldn’t wait too long because Viking just cancelled all cruises thru Dec 31, 2020 and most cruisers will be moving their deposits to other destinations and dates.  
 

Take a Viking cruise and see what ‘s your impression.  I really think a wonderful adventure awaits. 

 

Valerie and Don

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RayandJean gave you some great answers but I thought I would fill in a little more. 

 

--What concerns or things  should we be aware of on Viking vs. RCCl and Celebrity?

 

We are Elite Plus on Celebrity and are leaving because we are tired of the "caste" system that gets worse by the year. Not in a suite or Aqua and you are restricted. On Viking, once you are onboard, you will have no clue who is in a suite and who isn't or who is a long-time Viking cruiser and who isn't. The entire ship is yours to enjoy. Be advised that other than sometimes getting a reduced deposit or longer to pay a deposit, there is not much to their loyalty program. 

 

--Does Viking offer drink packages to cover any cocktails and liquors you want at the bar/pool (if we make the pool when so cold----we are from South Louisiana)?

 

Yes, there are drink packages but you will get beer and wine at lunch and dinner at no charge and you will also be amazed at low inexpensive the drinks package is. Less than $30 per day. And up there in the north, you will be cold. :classic_biggrin:

 

--Just want to confirm that the Explorer's Lounge is open for all on the cruise and not limited to "frequent" Viking cruisers or suite cruisers?

 

As I mentioned above. Once you are onboard, everyone is the same. 

 

--We are looking at the Deluxe Veranda; any feedback on that class of cabin?

 

Biggest differences in the cabin. categories are these:

  1. The higher the category the earlier you can board
  2. The higher the category the earlier pre-cruise you can book shore excursions, specialty dining (it's free) and spa appointments.
  3. The higher the category, the better the service to your mini-bar. Viking includes a certain amount of mini-bar service and it gets better at each level.
  4. Lastly staterooms get bigger (before suites) but all are larger than your normal cabins on RCL and X. If you value storage, consider the Penthouse Verandah. You get more storage and you get 338 square feet as opposed to 270 (as I said, both bigger than most X or RCL staterooms).

 

=What is Viking's current cancellation policy (assuming we book by August 31)?  If the cruise is cancelled by Viking, can we apply for a full refund or only get a FCC?

 

Again, RayandJean hit the nail on the head. You will either get a full refund or a 125% Future Cruise Credit. We had Viking River cruise cancelled yesterday and have already rebooked. We were able to buy the same air, same staterooms, same cruise for one year later and still have $900 left over to spend on more excursions (beyond the one free one), beverage package, pre-paid gratuities, an upgrade on our pre and post cruise and transfers. The rest will be spent at the spa because that's about the only place left since everything else is included. One other thing about cancellations. If you book now and YOU decide you want to cancel because you don't feel it's safe to travel, you can currently do that up to 48 hours before the cruise for a full refund of everything but your $100 booking fee. 

 

Best parts for us are all the things they don't have: 

  1. Kids
  2. Smoking
  3. Casinos
  4. Photographers
  5. Art auctions 
  6. The aforementioned caste system that other lines are pushing more and more. 

Hope this helps. One last thing: As a travel professional, I can tell you two things about the cruise you are interested in. One, it is probably sold out. Viking cruisers are incredibly loyal and the ships sell out quickly. We got the last two staterooms on our replacement cruise in December 2021. The rest are sold out. And two, I truly doubt anyone will be back to sailing by February. Viking is already cancelled through the end of the year. My best guess is March or April. We are even wondering if we will get our July 2021 cruise in. A vaccine will make all the difference. 

 

Oh, I forgot to mention the biggest difference—the price. But remember that pretty much everything is included with Viking.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Jim

 

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I concur with the previous posts, and will add a couple points.

 

The self service laundry is free, including detergent.

The Silver Spirits alchohol package is around $20 pp/pd. It's great to be able to order virtually any drink, anywhere on ship, anytime, and not having to worry about it. That said, a la carte drinks are very reasonably priced (around $6 on average).

 

The Explorer's Lounge is really the only proper "lounge", but The Living Room (and bar) and Aquavit Terrace (and bar) are loungey areas, and there are many other areas to hang out, relax, and read or enjoy the views.

 

Once onboard, everyone is treated the same, whether they are a first time passenger in a V2 cabin, or a multiple cruise passenger in the Owners Suite. And they're all treated as if they are the latter.

 

If you read through some of the older threads in the Viking forum (from back in the day when cruises actually happened), you will find many people who have fallen in love with the brand after their first Viking cruise. I'm sure you will, too.

 

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We were 30 yr Princess pax before finding Viking and we would never go back. For an idea of the life aboard a Viking cruise you can check out our travel blog - www.andyandjudi.com

 

I completed daily posts from the 2020 World Cruise and also have a link to Clay's blog, who has posted from a couple of cruises.

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Two very helpful but very long threads will give you a good idea what Viking is about:

 

Tips forNew Viking Ocean Cruisers

 

and especially if you are still on the fence,

 

 

Now some answers to your questions.

 

There is no lounge or other public space  that is restricted to those who have booked in certain cabin categories. Other Lounges include the Wintergarden on Deck 7, Living Room on Deck 1 with lounge seating in the Atrium on Decks 2 and 3.  Plus the outdoor seating on Decks 7 and 8.  Once you step out of your cabin, no one knows or cares if you are in a V or the Owner's Suite. The only thing perks you get for booking a more expensive cabin is being able to book excursions sooner and the number of advanced specialty restaurant advanced reservations that you get (and once on board, unless it is a one week cruise and they must ration the reservations, there is no limit to the number of times you can eat in the specialty venues).

 

Yes there is a drinks package (Silver Spirits Package). Currently, $20pp/day, both people in the cabin must take it. Covers pours up to $15 (soda, cocktails, wine by the glass), gets you premium wines at dinner, discount on bottles of wine over a certain price and on the high end liquors. Covers room service. Did I forget anything?

 

Viking also has a very liberal BYO policy: as long as it is legal, unlimited quantities, may be consumed anywhere on the ship (no brown-bags or sippy-cups needed; ask any bartender for a glass), no corkage fee in any dining room. If you need wine glasses in your cabin, ask your steward.

 

I have only ever travel in a DV cabin. Not planning on going any higher. My preference is Deck 3 or 4 aft of the Aft Stairwell. I have done over the tenders because they are more centrally located with mixed results.

 

Under Risk-Free Cancellation policy, refund is a mix of cash and vouchers depending on when you cancel. Up to 121 days prior to sailing, you can get 100% less $100 back. It used to be that you lost the $100 completely; under the Risk-Free you get that $100 back as a voucher.  After 121 days, the cash-voucher split is per the cancellation table in the Terms and Conditions (find link in the footer of any page on the website). What would have been refunded to you comes in cash, the balance in vouchers. HOWEVER, if Viking cancels, you can ask for a full refund or you can take their offer of a 125% future cruise voucher.

 

Don't worry about pool vs cold, there is an enclosed all weather pool on Deck 7. Plus access to the spa is complimentary to all guests.  Bring your bathing suit.

 

There is a stage show every night in the Theater -- Abba, Rat Pack, Beatles, etc. Definitely not LAs Vegas Glitz and Glitter. Dancing in the disco each night for those who have not gone to bed already. A player, a guitarist and a classical duo/trio alternate between the the Explorer's Lounge and the Atrium from 4 pm to midnight.

 

There are trivia games on at sea-days. Movies, lectures, wine tastings but for the most part since the itineraries tend to be very port intensive, sea days are laid back days -- reading, spa visits, talking with people, laundry.

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1 hour ago, rayandjean said:

If Viking cancels you will get all money back or the option of choosing a fcc of an additional amount.

 

One thing to note, just to make it clear for all readers, if Viking cancels your cruise and you have used Future Cruise Vouchers to pay for any part of the cruise, the vouchers will be returned to your account -- once a voucher, always a voucher (but read your voucher, it may say that you can get cash for it after two years). On the cash balance, you have the choice of a refund or of accepting a voucher (probably for 125% based on what they have offered in the past).

 

If you cancel a cruise, the 'once a voucher always a voucher' rule applies.

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47 minutes ago, DrKoob said:

Biggest differences in the cabin. categories are these:

  1. The higher the category the earlier you can board

 

 

Not quite true. You may board when you get there -- or as soon as they open check in.  Our flight landed at 7 am. We were in the terminal by 9 am and on board at by 10 am, just as soon as they gotten everyone off the ship.

 

What you meant to say was that cabins is that the more expensive the cabin, the earlier it is available for occupancy (11 am for suites through to 2pm for DV and 3pm for V). However, most of the time cabins are available well in advance of the promised time. Regardless of what it says on the website, housekeeping aims to have all of the cabins read by 2pm.

 

1 hour ago, DrKoob said:

f you book now and YOU decide you want to cancel because you don't feel it's safe to travel, you can currently do that up to 48 hours before the cruise for a full refund of everything but your $100 booking fee. 

 

 

Not quite how it works. We cancelled a cruise under the new policy. It was within the 120 day penalty period and hence we got a portion of our refund as cash and a portion as a voucher, using the the cancellation penalty grid given in the terms and conditions. Also, under the new policy, even the $100 penalty is returned to the guests but as a voucher.

 

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26 minutes ago, DrKoob said:

Thanks for the correction on time of boarding as opposed to cabins ready. 
 

Also, getting your $100 booking fee as a credit is not quite the same as getting a full refund. 😀

 

The refund rules are not that simple. I didn't understand the details until I went through the process, twice.

 

No one who cancels gets a full cash refund, even under the new Risk-Free Cancellation plan. At minimum, you will get a voucher for $100pp and the balance in cash, if you have canceled 121 days or more prior to the cruise and no vouchers have been used in payment of the fare. At worst, if you cancel within 29 days of departure (59 days of departure for World Cruise or Grand Voyage), you will receive your entire refund as vouchers. Hard to stick all that into a tag line and most people stop reading at "Risk-Free Cancellation" then assume that the new policy means a cash refund; it doesn't.

 

When I canceled and booked another date, right before they announced the second round of cancellations, I got 50% in cash and 50% in vouchers, based on the number of days to departure. When the second cruise cancelled, the vouchers went back into my account and I was offered the choice of a cash refund or 125% voucher for the cash balance. What was already in the form of a voucher did not qualify for the 25% bonus nor could it be refunded as cash. If I want cash for my voucher I have to wait until 2022.

 

Only if Viking cancel your cruise and only if no vouchers were used to pay for the cruise will you get a full cash refund.

 

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Great tips.  I can add this - if you are in a DV cabin on Star, Sea and Sky you will not have the 3 drawers in the closet.  If you are on the Sun, Orion or Jupiter and I would assume any new ships you will have drawers.  I mention this because we would not have had enough space on our SA 18 day cruise without the extra drawers.  We had to bring clothes for summer, fall and winter weather.  We live in the Tropics so were heavy on the warm clothes.  Also re the Silver Spirits Package, the $20 per day per person is the lowest drink package in the industry.  The $15 per drink ceiling really did cover all drinks with the exception of French (real) Champagne, the higher end Single Malt Scotches and any of the vintage Armanacs.  If your cruise has any sea days there will be a Trivia competition.  

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You have received excellent advice from all those who have posted here. My perspective is somewhat different, as we never cruised at all before taking a Viking river cruise, followed by a Viking ocean cruise ( and then several more!). We had no desire to try a tradition huge ship ocean cruise, based on what we had heard about the experience. 

 

Viking turned out to be exactly what we wished it to be. The fellow travelers we met on board were a pleasure to talk to, and several became friends of ours even now. The crew members were a high point of each cruise, more friendly and efficient than you could imagine. They truly seem to enjoy and take pride in their work. The ship is, of course, beautiful, and even with 900+ passengers, it never seems crowded. There is always a  quiet spot to be found if you want one, or friendly company if that is what you want.

 

I hope we all get a chance to get back onboard one day.

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I noticed that Viking has added a Trivia program.  They did not offer it on our prior trip, to Cuba in 2018.  The cruise director or an assistant would present huge visuals with clues, and teams would supply answers. Perhaps 60-90 minutes in duration. The winning team received free drinks, bragging rights, etc.

 

On the October 2019 Trade Routes cruise, trivia was offered in the show room at various times (after dinner, before dinner, etc).  You could organize your own group, or the every friendly staff would organize you into a group. Five or six people.

 

By the time of the third or fourth event, there were well in excess of one hundred people participating.  Some questions were very easy, others were challenging.  Theme music from 1950s US TV shows, numbers of capital cities within 20 miles of the Danube,  second longest river in the world, names of the seven dwarfs, etc.  Things got rowdy after a few drinks...

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Thank you ALL for the valuable input.  I appreciate all the great advice.  I know it is risky but I think we will book the Northern Lights cruise.  (I'm retiring; what a trip to go out with IF it happens!)  Your great input has definitely swayed me to chance it.  (We would go unless Viking cancels & then as I understand we would get a full cash refund IF they cancel.  No vouchers are being used as we have none.)

 

1 more question please on the drink package:  IF a cocktail is more than the maximum, do you only pay/get charged for the difference between the maximum and the cost of the cocktail?  So if the maximum is $15/drink but the one you order is $20, do  you only pay the extra $5 (plus tip associated with the $5)--similar to what other cruise lines do?

 

Thank you all once again.  So ready to cruise again, as are so many!!!

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1 more question please on the drink package:  IF a cocktail is more than the maximum, do you only pay/get charged for the difference between the maximum and the cost of the cocktail?  So if the maximum is $15/drink but the one you order is $20, do  you only pay the extra $5 (plus tip associated with the $5)--similar to what other cruise lines do?

 

No discounts like that, but seriously, there really won't be any $15+ drinks. Only seriously high-end single malts or Armagnac, as previously mentioned. And those are (only?) in Torshaven, the small disco/nightclub.

And the drink prices include gratuity, so there's no "tip" added to your bar tab.

 

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1 hour ago, cruz_happy said:

Thank you ALL for the valuable input.  I appreciate all the great advice.  I know it is risky but I think we will book the Northern Lights cruise.  (I'm retiring; what a trip to go out with IF it happens!)  Your great input has definitely swayed me to chance it.  (We would go unless Viking cancels & then as I understand we would get a full cash refund IF they cancel.  No vouchers are being used as we have none.)

 

1 more question please on the drink package:  IF a cocktail is more than the maximum, do you only pay/get charged for the difference between the maximum and the cost of the cocktail?  So if the maximum is $15/drink but the one you order is $20, do  you only pay the extra $5 (plus tip associated with the $5)--similar to what other cruise lines do?

 

Thank you all once again.  So ready to cruise again, as are so many!!!


Nice champagne is also above the $15 limit.  But Viking’s sparkling wine is awful, IMO, the Prosecco just OK.  So although we had the package, I would go ahead and buy the real champagne once in awhile.  And yes, it’s the full price for the glass, $16-18 as I remember, not $16-18 minus $15.  And, Viking has had trivia on every cruise I have been on that has a few sea days.  On the WC it was quite the competition, and we were constantly admonished that “trivia is only a game”!

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A few other insights for the newer “Vikingistas”. If you are interested in a specialty restaurant and don’t have a reservation in advance, go to the reservation desk when you first get on board. We’ve been able to get reservations easily. And, if you are celebrating a special occasion, there is a private dining room in the Chef’s Table restaurant that can be reserved in advance- seats quite a few people (one long table), so bring your friends. You can order off the Chef’s Table menu or any other on the ship. Friend of ours found out crab lags being served in the dining room and asked for some- they were brought to him. He went on about how good they were and he found a pile of them in his stateroom when he went back. 
You may ask for other special services: we had a group of 10 traveling together and we asked if the chef would prepare a happy hour for us near the pool grill- no problem! They brought out plate after plate of wonderful dishes (we also had some foods we’d purchased in one of the town markets we visited). No extra charge! 
We are Viking junkies and can’t wait for our April Cruise!
 

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A few other insights for the newer “Vikingistas”. If you are interested in a specialty restaurant and don’t have a reservation in advance, go to the reservation desk when you first get on board. We’ve been able to get reservations easily. And, if you are celebrating a special occasion, there is a private dining room in the Chef’s Table restaurant that can be reserved in advance- seats quite a few people (one long table), so bring your friends. You can order off the Chef’s Table menu or any other on the ship. Friend of ours found out crab lags being served in the dining room and asked for some- they were brought to him. He went on about how good they were and he found a pile of them in his stateroom when he went back. 

You may ask for other special services: we had a group of 10 traveling together and we asked if the chef would prepare a happy hour for us near the pool grill- no problem! They brought out plate after plate of wonderful dishes (we also had some foods we’d purchased in one of the town markets we visited). No extra charge! 

We are Viking junkies and can’t wait for our April Cruise!

 

 

In addition to the reservation desk (at the port-side entrance to the World Cafe), which will likely have a line on boarding day, you can use the Viking app to make reservations as soon as you have connected to the ship's WiFi.

 

Good point about mentioning special occasions. My DW and I both celebrated birthdays on our cruise. After dinner for the first birthday, we were presented with a lovely cake for dessert. After dinner for the second birthday, we were too full for dessert, and they delivered the cake to our cabin.

Also, there are two private dining rooms, with the other one off of Manfredi's.

 

One other tidbit. On sea days, there will be a cooking class in The Kitchen Table around lunchtime, where you will be taught by one of the head chefs and actually participate in the preparation and cooking of a meal, which you will then enjoy with the other dozen or so others who sign up, and may be able to take a tour through the galley (maybe not post-pandemic, though). There is a nominal charge, but it was a wonderfully unique opportunity. I hope this sort of special event doesn't go away due to the virus.

 

And don't hesitate to ask for special services. The staff goes out of their way to be accommodating. We had a full-day private excursion planned in Edinburgh. The night before we arrived there, they changed the back on board time, moving it up an hour, and due to a fairly long tender, the last tender was 45 minutes earlier than that. Normally they reserve the first tender for pax on ship's excursions, but we mentioned our concern to Guest Services, and they made sure we were able to get on the first tender.

 

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Welcome to Viking!  All the previous posters have more than adequately answered all your questions. I would like to suggest that (if you haven’t already) watch some YouTube videos about Viking ships.  Here are a few that might help you get a better idea about their ships:

 

 


Also, I highly recommend that you seek out a Travel Agent who will provide you with Viking’s maximum allowable on board credit (presumably a kickback from the Agent’s commission). For a cruise of under 15 nights, this is $300 per person. For Mike and I, that is enough to cover our daily service charge with enough left over to pay for the occasional cocktail. We typically carry a bottle of gin aboard and use the inroom tonic (along with some limes I request from room service or a bar) to make a predinner drink to enjoy (with our sushi, shrimp and crab leg pre-appetizer)at the Aquavit overlooking the stern. So for us, the Silver Spirits package hasn’t been necessary though the one time we did have (prior to our TA’s obc becoming refundable and having some additional from Viking direct) we did enjoy trying all sorts of new beverages. Pics below. 
 

have a great cruise!

Clay
 

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I am having fun reading through these posts because it brings back many happy memories! Let me add a little about the shore excursions.

 

The actual shore excursions for your particular sailing will be listed on My Viking Journey at around 100 days before your trip. Before that, there is a potential list to review shown for each cruise if you click on the "Read More" by each port on the Day by Day section. If you click on an excursion, you will find a more detailed description. 

 

Viking offers one Included excursion in each port, and it will be marked as such on the list. If you are in port more than one day, there is still just one included excursion. Generally, the included excursions are part Panoramic tour (bus ride) and part walking tour. Often there are free shuttles provided by Viking to and from the port, so it is possible to extend your time in a port after the excursion is over. 

 

Though we have never sailed with another cruise line, I have heard that Viking's Optional excursions are moderately priced in comparison. As a rough estimate, a half day excursion might run between $49 to $99 a person, and all day ones with meals included might be $149 to $199. Of course, there are also some (like helicopter rides) that are higher. Some people will use the Roll Calls to book private tours, but we personally have only done that in Saint Petersburg ( my thumbs up here for Alla Tours).

 

Signing up for excursions begins with the premium cabins, and there is often much angst about whether your hoped for tours will be available. From our usual Veranda cabins, I will say that is usually not much of a problem. We have missed out once or twice on a tour we wanted and selected a different tour. Even as the last to book, often there have been extra seats that open up as Viking adds extra buses or people switch their choices, so most of the time we have been able to take the tour we wanted. Popular options are run more than one time, so you may not always get your preferred time, but we found sometimes it is a treat to sleep in !

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The galley will also prepare special meals for groups. We had a curry night once per month, which had reached 90 attending. We met in Torshavn for pre-dinner drinks, then the group headed to the MDR, where they had a section set aside. They curries were served family style.

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26 minutes ago, Heidi13 said:

The galley will also prepare special meals for groups. We had a curry night once per month, which had reached 90 attending. We met in Torshavn for pre-dinner drinks, then the group headed to the MDR, where they had a section set aside. They curries were served family style.

David and Roger's Curry Nights??  

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12 minutes ago, Heidi13 said:

 

You bet Jim, they continued after LA.

they were great fun and quite the social organizers.  Any idea what they were going to do after the Ultimate WC got shortened?  They had told us they rented their home and were traveling for a year or so.  Last we heard their plans were to spend the summer in Europe after arrival in London.  

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