Protocols for Unvaccinated Guests on Freedom of the Seas cruises starting July 2

[3kidsncats]

1 hour ago, ljason913 said:

this idea of making people wear masks inside and having vaccinated only areas this is going to cause so many issues with crew dealing with fights and arguments. The poor crew already has to deal with so much now they have to be the mask police...im hoping the mask rule isn't enforced much 

Um...if they don’t enforce it, on a cruise with enough unvaccinated passengers, they will end up with an outbreak sooner or later, which could put an abrupt halt to the start up.  Maybe it would be better if people could just suck it up and do what needs doing for a change.  The protocols are there for a reason, and if you choose to cruise, then follow the rules.  If you don’t like the rules, you have the option of not cruising.

[smokeybandit]

The rule should be if you're not eligible for the vaccine, you shouldn't have to wear a mask

[coffeebean]

7 hours ago, logan25 said:

If that proves to be true, it would not be following CDC guidance.  Which advises/directs (whatever term you prefer), vaccinated do not need quarantine or testing unless presenting symptoms.  Even when vaccinated were exposed to a positive case.  Now, cruise line protocol could certainly require a higher level of response, but it is not based on CDC standards.

The people on the Celebrity Millie who were identified by contact tracing on the ship to have been exposed to the two positive people did have to quarantine. There were crew who had to quarantine also. Once those contact traced people had a negative test, there were released from quarantine. It can happen.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

1 hour ago, ace2542 said:

But they will make a profit on the testing won't they? So they can keep the testing for as long as they do make a profit on it? After all people are testing to fly aren't they?

 

Well the point is they think theyre punishing the non-vaxed person so much that if they wan't to cruise they'll pay for it. I think this will cost them passenger cruise feees.  From both the vaxed and non-vaxed. People do not want to wear the mask. Everything else is just fodder in an effort to not where the mask. 

[Tippyton]

1 hour ago, GarlicBread said:

 

Why?

Why stop testing?  If a tree falls in the forest, it won't make a sound.  Did it really fall then?  Think about it...

 

Without getting too deep, the rhetorical premise is that such an event is inconsequential, as is testing vaccinated and recovered people.  Sound or not, it's still inconsequential.

Edited June 20, 2021 by Tippyton

[sept10dsm]

18 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

But why?  What about recovered people?

 

- The Forgotten 20

The recovered do not matter anywhere it seems!  There have been quite a few doctors and others including the NIH stating the value of recovered but it's just ignored.  

[3kidsncats]

1 hour ago, ace2542 said:

But they will make a profit on the testing won't they? So they can keep the testing for as long as they do make a profit on it? After all people are testing to fly aren't they?

No, because the testing fee is going to the company that was contracted to do it — Royal indicated in their announcement that they aren’t taking any of the funds for unvaccinated testing, in addition to paying for the testing for under 12 yo.  

[Tippyton]

Just now, sept10dsm said:

The recovered do not matter anywhere it seems!  There have been quite a few doctors and others including the NIH stating the value of recovered but it's just ignored.  

Yet we're the difference....

 

- the Forgotten 20 ++

[3kidsncats]

5 minutes ago, Heymarco said:

 

I think you intended this for @coffeebean.

No, I intended it for you, as the person who asked about 2 year olds

[not-enough-cruising]

2 hours ago, ljason913 said:

anyone worried about false positives? there will never be 100% vaccinated cruises it will never happen 

NCL will disagree strongly. 

[sept10dsm]

Just now, 3kidsncats said:

No, because the testing fee is going to the company that was contracted to do it — Royal indicated in their announcement that they aren’t taking any of the funds for unvaccinated testing, in addition to paying for the testing for under 12 yo.  

Could be a referral/percentage to the cruise line  Depends on the agreement/contract

[sept10dsm]

2 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

Yet we're the difference....

 

- the Forgotten 20 ++

Seems all recovered are great for is donatedblood.  They want that and recovered matter there. I'm kind of tired of it all.  As an aside, they don't test the recovered if they happen to come in contact with a coronapositive.  So that says a lot to me.  No quarantine either.  

[3kidsncats]

Just now, Tippyton said:

Yet we're the difference....

 

- the Forgotten 20 ++

Post infection immunity is variable depending on a large number of factors — how long ago were you infected?  Which strain did you get?  Did you get a large viral load, or not? What is your own individual immune response?  Are you taking immunosuppressive drugs?  Lots of variables, and antibody studies are showing that convalescent immunity is not guaranteed to be long lasting (3-4 months for some people) and is also NOT as effective as the vaccine against the current variants of concern — like the Delta variant.  Oxford University studied this, and showed that between the two sublineages of the Delta variant, you are 2.7 tI 4 times more likely to contract Covid, depending on which sublineage you are exposed to.  I personally wouldn’t count on it as being “immune”.

[3kidsncats]

9 minutes ago, sept10dsm said:

Could be a referral/percentage to the cruise line  Depends on the agreement/contract

The way it was stated seemed clear that they weren’t a cut

[sept10dsm]

5 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

The way it was stated seemed clear that they weren’t a cut

Ok, but I'm sure the customers really won't see the contract. Just like when you but insurance on a car loan - customers doesn't know it but the bank gets a cut.  or those extra yrs on an electronic purchase.  

[3kidsncats]

2 minutes ago, sept10dsm said:

Ok, but I'm sure the customers really won't see the contract. Just like when you but insurance on a car loan - customers doesn't know it but the bank gets a cut.  or those extra yrs on an electronic purchase.  

It’s in the email they sent out, not the contract ( or, I can’t speak to the contract since I don’t have it to review).  Pretty straight forward, layman’s term, not legalese.  And, yeah, lots of people don’t read.  I read a lot, and try to pay attention to the details.  It’s a lot easier to manage expectations that way

[coffeebean]

2 hours ago, bruzin_for_a_cruizin said:

But it's fair for you to potentially expose others to a virus which caused a worldwide pandemic?

Sorry to break it to you, but the world does not revolve around ljason913 and his/her/their wants. We live in a civilized society, where we must all watch out for one another and not stamp our feet when we don't get what we want.

If you don't want to wear a mask or get tested, then you certainly have the choice to vacation elsewhere. Just as others have the choice to cruise masked and tested and vaccinated. Ain't freedom grand?

Did you not get that this person is VACCINATED? The science and data has proven that vaccinated people, even if infected with a break through infection, are not contagious to others. Have you not heard this? Please, do some research on the subject. Thanks.

 

 

 

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[Goodtime Cruizin]

Another issue are the families that have already suffered through the disease of covid and have natual immunities built into their bodies now. This is being completely ignored by the CDC. There are enough people that have had covid now & studies have been made that indicate there is no difference between the vaccinations and the natural immunities. But many are so absolutely convinced because it's all they hear is vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. Following certain 'science' and ignoring other science that does not fit their agenda is what has caused many to lose faith in the CDC. Having people pay a different price and/or be treated indifferently is going to be a real issue and it's completely being ignored. RCG is complicit, less than other cruise lines but still complicit. 

[coffeebean]

2 hours ago, Heymarco said:

And if child is under 2? CDC guidelines say they should not wear a mask due to risk of suffocation.

👏Children 👏are 👏not 👏the 👏 problem.

 

But for those who think they are, Richard Branson would be happy to take your money.

Thank you for the correction. My bad. Forgot about those really little ones.

[coffeebean]

2 hours ago, ljason913 said:

this idea of making people wear masks inside and having vaccinated only areas this is going to cause so many issues with crew dealing with fights and arguments. The poor crew already has to deal with so much now they have to be the mask police...im hoping the mask rule isn't enforced much 

If the cruise lines are smart, they will hire extra security who will enforce what ever safelty protocols there will be on cruise ships. I was on a cruise a few years ago that had hired off duty policemen to keep things on the level keel on board when a couple thousand of Quinceanera kids were on board. They kept the peace just fine. We had no problems at all.

[Tippyton]

24 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Post infection immunity is variable depending on a large number of factors — how long ago were you infected?  Which strain did you get?  Did you get a large viral load, or not? What is your own individual immune response?  Are you taking immunosuppressive drugs?  Lots of variables, and antibody studies are showing that convalescent immunity is not guaranteed to be long lasting (3-4 months for some people) and is also NOT as effective as the vaccine against the current variants of concern — like the Delta variant.  Oxford University studied this, and showed that between the two sublineages of the Delta variant, you are 2.7 tI 4 times more likely to contract Covid, depending on which sublineage you are exposed to.  I personally wouldn’t count on it as being “immune”.

We have no less immunity than do vaccinated folks.  Any statement otherwise is merely a sentiment and not only not supported by science but also is supported by more and more emerging studies. [Props to the scientists actually bothering to look.] That science has been made clear and continues to be made clear.  SARS 1 folks are immune to this day 18 years later.  SARS 1 folks are immune from SARS 2. COVID survivors have a robust humoral immune response. Ad nauseum....I've yet to see any study that says "Covid survivors are not immune to getting it again."  Nor have any clinical trials been done on COVID survivors in terms of added efficacy, let alone side effects.

 

I'm immune.

 

- The Forgotten 20

[sept10dsm]

11 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

Another issue are the families that have already suffered through the disease of covid and have natual immunities built into their bodies now. This is being completely ignored by the CDC. There are enough people that have had covid now & studies have been made that indicate there is no difference between the vaccinations and the natural immunities. But many are so absolutely convinced because it's all they hear is vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. Following certain 'science' and ignoring other science that does not fit their agenda is what has caused many to lose faith in the CDC. Having people pay a different price and/or be treated indifferently is going to be a real issue and it's completely being ignored. RCG is complicit, less than other cruise lines but still complicit. 

Thank you.   Only one 'science' matters.  The recovered studies by the NIH even are never mentioned.  They had a study back in Jan of this year stating the recovered were showing great antibodies and they were hoping the vaccine showed the same.  There have been (although a different illness but shows how the body remembers in not only antibodies but Tcells and Bcells and bone marrow) studies of those that had the 1918 flu and after even 80-90 years had strong immunity.

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[3kidsncats]

3 minutes ago, Tippyton said:

We have no less immunity than do vaccinated folks.  Any statement otherwise is merely a sentiment and not only not supported by science but also is supported by more and more emerging studies. [Props to the scientists actually bothering to look.] That science has been made clear and continues to be made clear.  SARS 1 folks are immune to this day 18 years later.  SARS 1 folks are immune from SARS 2. COVID survivors have a robust humoral immune response. Ad nauseum....I've yet to see any study that says "Covid survivors are not immune to getting it again."  Nor have any clinical trials been done on COVID survivors in terms of added efficacy, let alone side effects.

 

I'm immune.

 

- The Forgotten 20

Apparently you aren’t reading all the studies.

[Tippyton]

20 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

Another issue are the families that have already suffered through the disease of covid and have natual immunities built into their bodies now. This is being completely ignored by the CDC. There are enough people that have had covid now & studies have been made that indicate there is no difference between the vaccinations and the natural immunities. But many are so absolutely convinced because it's all they hear is vaccine, vaccine, vaccine. Following certain 'science' and ignoring other science that does not fit their agenda is what has caused many to lose faith in the CDC. Having people pay a different price and/or be treated indifferently is going to be a real issue and it's completely being ignored. RCG is complicit, less than other cruise lines but still complicit. 

And more studies showing more of us had it than we even realized.  

 

- The Forgotten 20 ++

[xpcdoojk]

1 hour ago, coffeebean said:

I like what NCL and Celebrity are doing better. NCL sailing with 100% vaxxed passengers and crew and Celebrity sailing with 95% vaxxed passengers and crew from Florida. Celebrity has a great strategy to work around the Florida law. I haven't heard yet what NCL is planning for their strategy but they will be sailing with 100% vaxxed passengers and crew.

 

Neither of those lines will have anyone wearing masks anywhere on their ships from Florida.

Sail with them, and please post in their forums... I am sure they will appreciate your approval.