Woman missing on the Pearl

[Cruise Cat]

And why do we not know her hometown or his name. I guess he is not "Speaking"

 

Wasn't there a report earlier they were from Houston? Maybe that was incorrect.

[cruisedude135]

How could you have not known what was going on if they turned the ship around back towards Cancun to look for her... the coast guard boats, planes, mexican navy etc....:confused:

 

We were on a sailing when a vessel ran aground and we had to assist. It was rather exciting. They sent some crew out in the lifeboats to see if they could assist.. goast guard helicopters everywhere....:D

 

Oh, and we were delayed till the coast guard arrived... we couldn't leave till they arrived.

 

Very interesting

 

CC

 

but they didnt, we never stopped nor turned back. and no sight of planes either. remember he didnt report it until like 8 hours later....we arrived ontime to all of our ports too. and the crew was going through the crime scene on friday lifting things up & down, idk

[cruisedude135]

They have video cameras on the sides of the ship and at the bridge that can see the balconies and they are running all the time.

 

no i mean the couple, she/ he was saying that too many couples sit on the balcony rails too take pictures of themselves

[jtravelmom]

I just returned tonight from the Pearl. If my husband had not gone online, we would have had no idea anything was wrong. We were on deck 11 aft but on the other side of the ship. Rumors started flying the following day. I heard that the husband was in the lobby hysterical after having found a chair pushed up to the railing on their balcony and her wedding rings on the table. This morning people were saying they found the body. There were no public announcements and any questions to the crew evaded. I suppose they didn't want to panic the passengers. Very sad.

[Sunnystone]

After reading this thread and some of the coverage, as usual there are more questions than answers. We just got off the Star yesterday and were on the bridge Friday and I can attest to all the cameras and monitors. Charging drinks, the key card monitors of the doors, etc, while time stamp wise might be useful may not be conclusive on its own as I used my husband's card as many times as I used my own but they could match it up to the video footage which would potentially vindicate (or not) those suspected. Also, if it was infra red photography that caught her going overboard how did they know she was in a bathrobe? I would guess there are several types of video analysis running to get this detail.

Finally, although it did seem "fishy" about the length it time it took her husband to report, my own husband gave me at least 3 different scenarios from our trip last week that could have resulted in a delayed reporting also so jumping to conclusions is really not fair.

Finally, I too wonder if it is just an ironic coincidence, regarding the name of the woman who authored the dockwalk article and the woman who is missing, or something more? Regardless, it is a sad incident.

[Sunnystone]

I just returned tonight from the Pearl. If my husband had not gone online, we would have had no idea anything was wrong. We were on deck 11 aft but on the other side of the ship. Rumors started flying the following day. I heard that the husband was in the lobby hysterical after having found a chair pushed up to the railing on their balcony and her wedding rings on the table. This morning people were saying they found the body. There were no public announcements and any questions to the crew evaded. I suppose they didn't want to panic the passengers. Very sad.

 

I was typing my post and did not see this. That does not sound very promising....

[garycarla]

The cruiseship did not know she was missing until 5am the next morning. I am guessing that when they realized it may well have happened the evening before, or hours earlier, there was no reason to stop and look as they had already covered maybe 100 miles.

 

I am guessing they did not find the tape showing here going off right away. It does take time to review those tapes. Maybe minutes, maybe hours depending on where they started looking.

 

The report about the husband saying the chair was at the rail and rings on the table - is that just a rumor, or a fact?

 

Cameras on side of ship can only see so much. They may not be able to see what was happening deep into the balcony, if he was out there, etc.

 

Nobody mentioned if he was in bed during this time period, or he was out (party or casino or something).

[lucycancruise]

Don't know what to think of this, but here's a comment from a fellow passenger quoted from another website:

 

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2008/12/correction_from_uscg_-_jennife.php

 

and his quote---

 

"Adam Bercovici said:

I also just got off the Norwiegan Pearl early this morning. The way the ship handled the situation was absolutely dispicable. We were not notified of the situation to see if we could have helped. After asking around to a number of people, I found a family from Louisiana who said that they were directly one floor under the alleged room and heard loud screaming around 8:00pm on Christmas Day, the day we left Cozumel on track to the private cruise island in the Bahamas. The family told us that they called security because they distinctly heard the words "stop hitting me" but that security did nothing in response to their inquiry. Why would it take the husband 6 hours to report his wife missing??? The cruise also should have sent some security personnel over to the room immediately after they were notified. There were many other problems with the Norweigan Pearl that would make me never want to go back but I think this one clinches it...imagine if it had been my mother or sister being thrown over? Are they to take no responsibility? Also another thing you might not have heard was that a woman broke her arm in Belize City during our same cruise because Norweigan Cruise Line staff did not help her off the tender boat towards the dock. She fell between the small tender boat and the dock and broke her arm. How many chances to they get?

Posted 12/28/2008 at 06:00:01 PM"

[derf5585]

Seitz, who may be a Houston resident

from

http://prairiechicken.blogspot.com/2008/12/missing-cruise-passenger-could-be-alive.html

[johnql]

Don't know what to think of this, but here's a comment from a fellow passenger quoted from another website:

 

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2008/12/correction_from_uscg_-_jennife.php

 

and his quote---

 

"Adam Bercovici said:

I also just got off the Norwiegan Pearl early this morning. The way the ship handled the situation was absolutely dispicable. We were not notified of the situation to see if we could have helped. After asking around to a number of people, I found a family from Louisiana who said that they were directly one floor under the alleged room and heard loud screaming around 8:00pm on Christmas Day, the day we left Cozumel on track to the private cruise island in the Bahamas. The family told us that they called security because they distinctly heard the words "stop hitting me" but that security did nothing in response to their inquiry. Why would it take the husband 6 hours to report his wife missing??? The cruise also should have sent some security personnel over to the room immediately after they were notified. There were many other problems with the Norweigan Pearl that would make me never want to go back but I think this one clinches it...imagine if it had been my mother or sister being thrown over? Are they to take no responsibility? Also another thing you might not have heard was that a woman broke her arm in Belize City during our same cruise because Norweigan Cruise Line staff did not help her off the tender boat towards the dock. She fell between the small tender boat and the dock and broke her arm. How many chances to they get?

Posted 12/28/2008 at 06:00:01 PM"

This statement just sounds like it's coming from someone who wants to blame NCL for all the ills of the world.

 

NCL's handling of the situation was despicable because they weren't notified of the situation? Puhleeze! Everybody is not notified whenever any incident occurs if it doesn't affect their enjoyment of the cruise (e.g., no ports missed). The responsibility and obligation of security and investigative personnel is to determine who needs to be interviewed and who can assist in determining the facts. That doesn't include announcing the incident to the entire ship.

 

"imagine if it had been my mother or sister being thrown over?" - talk about making assumptions. Is there even a shred of evidence that indicates that the woman was thrown overboard?

 

A woman's arm was broken when she fell? How do we know it wasn't her fault? I would need more specifics about the incident before I automatically blamed NCL's personnel.

 

To me, this poster was just looking for an excuse to whine about a cruise that he didn't really enjoy.

[AFT_LOVER]

Just stated from FBI released notes: a grainy video shows a person in a white robe going over at 8PM Christmas nght & 8 hours later husband is reporting wife missing after he awoke. Husband is being to totally cooperative, and so far not under ivestigation. Navy is searching 3000 sq miles of very rough seas. FBI is now taking this oboard for next cruise. NCL has done a great job with over 1000 cameras giving FBI plenty to watch from when they boarded to him leaving in Miami. They have passengers that have been interviewed & more to be. Everyone is very cooperative.

 

No word if cruise is cancelled for those leaving today as it sounds like they are reliving the cruise with everyone. Or it will be late leaving.

[garycarla]

Most of these "overboards" seem to have a family member involved. Why do people want to blame the cruiselines for what people do?

 

Gee whiz.

 

As to not announcing anything to the entire ship, maybe they know just a bit more than we know and made a decision that it would not serve any purpose. If they KNOW if happened in THEIR cabin, how much more could the rest of the ship offer?

 

And how many people would be upset to hear an all hands annoucement at 4am when there was nothing they could do about it?

 

Hey, since that little girl has been found, maybe Nancy Grace can start a new crusade and beat the crap out of anyone involved, as if this was the only death in the past 20 years.

[lucycancruise]

This statement just sounds like it's coming from someone who wants to blame NCL for all the ills of the world.

 

NCL's handling of the situation was despicable because they weren't notified of the situation? Puhleeze! Everybody is not notified whenever any incident occurs if it doesn't affect their enjoyment of the cruise (e.g., no ports missed). The responsibility and obligation of security and investigative personnel is to determine who needs to be interviewed and who can assist in determining the facts. That doesn't include announcing the incident to the entire ship.

 

"imagine if it had been my mother or sister being thrown over?" - talk about making assumptions. Is there even a shred of evidence that indicates that the woman was thrown overboard?

 

A woman's arm was broken when she fell? How do we know it wasn't her fault? I would need more specifics about the incident before I automatically blamed NCL's personnel.

 

To me, this poster was just looking for an excuse to whine about a cruise that he didn't really enjoy.

 

I agree. I had the same impression, which is why I hesitated to quote him. But then I thought some people here might find his comment from the downstairs passengers interesting, for what it's worth.

[ohioNCLcruiser]

There were zero reasons why the ship should have told everyone. It would just make people worried and then before you know it 500 people said they heard or saw something (like the above quote). The only reason why the entire ship should be put on alert is if someone saw someone go over and life rings were needed in the water right away (code oscar oscar oscar port side).

 

I can assure you the cruise line and FBI know exactly where the husband was at the time of the accident but there is no reason to make it public yet or they would have done so.

[garycarla]

There were zero reasons why the ship should have told everyone. It would just make people worried and then before you know it 500 people said they heard or saw something (like the above quote). The only reason why the entire ship should be put on alert is if someone saw someone go over and life rings were needed in the water right away (code oscar oscar oscar port side).

 

I can assure you the cruise line and FBI know exactly where the husband was at the time of the accident but there is no reason to make it public yet or they would have done so.

A sense of calm and reasonableness (new word). Rational works too!

 

Thank You

[TWELVEOHONE]

Did NCL handle the situation properly? We, including the passengers that posted do not know. The ship officer did not and should not have informed the passengers what was being done. First off the passengers could not help find her and second passengers would have caused more problems by keeping the crew tied up with questions.

 

When the passenger in the cabin below called security, assuming they did we don't know if security responded they do not have to get back to caller and usually do not.

 

As of this posting the only thing we know is;

1) The FBI is investigating and the cruise line is cooperating

2) A video tape shows a women in a white bathrope going over the side

3) Women went over around 8pm and husband reported her missing at about 4am.

 

Everything else is rumors and inuendos. We have to wait until all investigations (FBI and cruise lines) are completed and we read the reports.

 

I am not saying any of the passengers posting or stories are invald only saying lets not jumb to conclusions.

[ohioNCLcruiser]

"Adam Bercovici said:

I also just got off the Norwiegan Pearl early this morning. The way the ship handled the situation was absolutely dispicable. We were not notified of the situation to see if we could have helped. After asking around to a number of people, I found a family from Louisiana who said that they were directly one floor under the alleged room and heard loud screaming around 8:00pm on Christmas Day, the day we left Cozumel on track to the private cruise island in the Bahamas. The family told us that they called security because they distinctly heard the words "stop hitting me" but that security did nothing in response to their inquiry. Why would it take the husband 6 hours to report his wife missing??? The cruise also should have sent some security personnel over to the room immediately after they were notified. There were many other problems with the Norweigan Pearl that would make me never want to go back but I think this one clinches it...imagine if it had been my mother or sister being thrown over? Are they to take no responsibility? Also another thing you might not have heard was that a woman broke her arm in Belize City during our same cruise because Norweigan Cruise Line staff did not help her off the tender boat towards the dock. She fell between the small tender boat and the dock and broke her arm. How many chances to they get?

Posted 12/28/2008 at 06:00:01 PM"

 

I already see mistakes with this person. He says security was called and they did "nothing in response." Security wouldn't of told the caller what they were going to do about the people in the cabin above. They would have replied "thank you for the call and concern." It's really not the persons business what security would do. Did you know on the ship if there is a medical emergency, the emergency team isn't even allowed to tell other crew members what the emergency was...

 

He also said "the cruise line should have sent people over to the room immediately after they were notified." OF COURSE the cruise line sent people to the room right away!! Any call like that gets attention right away. Heck if you call and say you think cabin steward took your lipstick we send someone right away. If security got to the room and there was a man without a woman in the room it would look really bad. They would look at security cameras etc but they wouldn't of just left the room. It makes no sense and thats why I think that is just a rumor and that "fight and yelling" never happened.

 

The thing about the broken arm could be true or just a rumor. Clearly the above poster just was on a little rant. I called a friend on the ship and he/she stated that there was nothing special about this woman that would make her stand out (such as cruise line making a mistake that ended up with a broken arm.)

[jtravelmom]

Everything I've relayed from my experience on this specific cruise is complete hearsay! Nothing official was released. I do know a few neighboring cabin passengers were questioned but that is all. We need to wait for facts. I repeat, the passengers do not know any more than anyone watching the news.

[KULPN]

This is a sad situation, no matter what happened.

 

Yes, this will now work against me in my efforts to convince my son to let me take my granddaughter on a Disney cruise. "Too dangerous & she may fall overboard."

[terrymtex01]

I have to say I completely do not believe that posting the other guy made on some other blog. On our last cruise, which was actually on the Pearl, late one night the cabin next to ours was having a yelling match that lasted for a few minutes. Those of you who have read my postings know how nosey I am so you know I tried to hear what was going on. With my head pressed against the wall you could not make out one single word that was being said. All you could hear was that two people were yelling at the top of their lungs. The only specific words I heard was Doug telling me to mind my own business.. LOL.

 

Of course you knew people were going to go onto the internet and say they heard that couple say this or they saw them do that, etc. The only report I have read of someone saying they saw something of the actual situtation that I really believe is the poster that said their room was taped up afterwards and the posters that have said they knew nothing specific of what was going on. Everything else to me is just hearsay. I do believe that rumors were flying around the ship, that would just be normal. And some of them might be based on actual events or facts, but you know how they go. This person tells that person and when that person tells the next they add a little bit here and there, etc, etc.

 

TWELVEOHONE hit the nail on the head with their posting in all we know right now are the facts stated by the FBI.

[Almost Packed]

just a couple of comments....first, i've only been on a cruise once...but i loved it and plan on doing it a lot more! :D

 

But OH MY GOSH!!! they can see the balconies too? wow, well, let's just say they had an entertaining evening or two i'm sure lol. So much for that "Private Balcony" huh.

 

While sitting on my so called private balcony.....i swear i was hypnotized by the sea. Anyone else feel this way? I so wanted to jump in the water right off of my balcony. NOw that is NOT a suicidal thought...but that water was so calming and had the strangest effect on me. anyone else ever feel like that. I seriously felt like I wanted to jump in the water...right off of my balcony. Like I was being hypnotized. I wonder does that happen to anyone else? Or am i a nut? lol. And if it does, I wonder could this be what happened to this woman. No way you just "fall" overboard!

[*Wink*]

I know I'd take off my wedding rings, lay them on the table, and set up a chair to assist my husband's efforts to toss me overboard. Sorry, but those stories just don't jive.

[durangoscots]

 

security got to the room and there was a man without a woman in the room it would look really bad. They would look at security cameras etc but they wouldn't of just left the room. It makes no sense and thats why I think that is just a rumor and that "fight and yelling" never happened.

 

The thing about the broken arm could be true or just a rumor. Clearly the above poster just was on a little rant. I called a friend on the ship and he/she stated that there was nothing special about this woman that would make her stand out (such as cruise line making a mistake that ended up with a broken arm.)

 

And remember ... cruise ships are the greatest place in the world for rumors!!! "Have you heard????......"

 

Susan

[PhoenixCruiser]

Does anyone know if the ship left Miami?

 

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[cruise4kicks]

Does anyone know if the ship left Miami?

 

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The web cam shows a time of 4:48 p.m. today and she looks to be at sea.