Administrators Rare LauraS Posted January 5, 2006 Administrators #1 Share Posted January 5, 2006 The Gloves are Off - Royal Caribbean Fights Back - A Cruise Critic News Item Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastin' away Posted January 5, 2006 #2 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Well, I'm glad to see this... this should make for an interesting read... thanks for posting it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiseman_tx Posted January 5, 2006 #3 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Well, that is a good read. The corporate wheels sometime grind slow, but it is good for RCI to get their side of the story out there. Thanx Laura. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunduo Posted January 5, 2006 #4 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Well done, Royal Caribbean. A very professional response to a horrible situation. It wasn't an editorial, just the facts. There a wasn't a hint of vindictiveness in the entire release. The really sad thing is that everyone is a victim in this whole mess. The family, friends, crew, and corporation. No one came out of this without losing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted January 5, 2006 #5 Share Posted January 5, 2006 I appreciate your posting the RCCL release for all of us to see and read. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixCruiser Posted January 5, 2006 #6 Share Posted January 5, 2006 I cannot believe the "retired" Captain called it a boat....sheesh :eek: When did he leave RCI, I wonder? Was it voluntarily? ### Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PappaSiera Posted January 5, 2006 #7 Share Posted January 5, 2006 When did he leave RCI, I wonder? Was it voluntarily? Our 12/2/05 sailing was his last sailing. Rumor among the crew was that he was pressured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1corona4u Posted January 5, 2006 #8 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Let's hope they kick butt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spcl4cs_gal Posted January 5, 2006 #9 Share Posted January 5, 2006 Our 12/2/05 sailing was his last sailing. Rumor among the crew was that he was pressured out. Pressured out by who I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1corona4u Posted January 5, 2006 #10 Share Posted January 5, 2006 I cannot believe the "retired" Captain called it a boat....sheesh :eek: When did he leave RCI, I wonder? Was it voluntarily? ### LOL, I know. I think he was just following Dan's lead.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patfan Posted January 6, 2006 #11 Share Posted January 6, 2006 It is good for RCI to express thier view. I am comfortable with the entire statement. Shame on the media for making this more controversial than it need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted January 6, 2006 #12 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Our 12/2/05 sailing was his last sailing. Rumor among the crew was that he was pressured out. I can't believe that RCCL would be stupid enough to "ask" him to leave at a critical time like this. To me, that would appear to make them look like they, the captain or RCCL, did something wrong. Just my opinion.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising89143 Posted January 6, 2006 #13 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I'm glad to see RCI become more aggressive with telling their side of the story. I still stand by my comments on another thread that the wife is not telling everything she knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixCruiser Posted January 6, 2006 #14 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I can't believe that RCCL would be stupid enough to "ask" him to leave at a critical time like this. To me, that would appear to make them look like they, the captain or RCCL, did something wrong. Just my opinion.:confused: And that is exactly why I asked ;) ### Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1corona4u Posted January 6, 2006 #15 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I can't believe that RCCL would be stupid enough to "ask" him to leave at a critical time like this. To me, that would appear to make them look like they, the captain or RCCL, did something wrong. Just my opinion.:confused: Yeah, I think so too, so I think it's speculation/rumor. Either that, or he was so affected by the whole thing that he decided to retire early. I'm sure it was unlike anything he had ever been through before, and more to come I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FinelyCruising Posted January 6, 2006 #16 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Happy Birthday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinDawn Posted January 6, 2006 #17 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Wow! That's all I can say. Bravo for RC for speaking up. BonVoyage Dawna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseygirl3 Posted January 6, 2006 #18 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I'm glad they addressed the issue that the wife claims RCI left her standing on the dock alone and wouldn't allow her back on the ship. That sounded very suspect to me. Made no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstcruise05 Posted January 6, 2006 #19 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Interesting. I completely understand the desire of both parties to cooperate with the FBI and their gag orders however this is more information than anyone has given in the case. By information, I mean statements that can be backed up by hard evidence. RCCL clearly has carefully documented their role in handling the Smiths and if they are correct in their statements should have no problems backing up their claims with telephone records, FBI records, and Turkish police records. The Smith family so far has not offered anything other than blind accusations and speculation. I think that the wife knows more than she's letting on. She may not be responsible for her husbands death but I think she is trying to look like more of a victim to her family and her inlaws so that the speculation stays away from her and she doesn't get questioned endlessly about her behavior and her husbands behavior on the cruise. It is always better to blame someone else when tragedy strikes because then you have someone tangible to focus your anger on. For the Hagel-Smith family, the anger is being focused on RCCL. Good for them, I'm glad they released this statement and if all is true I hope they quickly clear their name in court with the evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1corona4u Posted January 6, 2006 #20 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Interesting. I completely understand the desire of both parties to cooperate with the FBI and their gag orders however this is more information than anyone has given in the case. By information, I mean statements that can be backed up by hard evidence. RCCL clearly has carefully documented their role in handling the Smiths and if they are correct in their statements should have no problems backing up their claims with telephone records, FBI records, and Turkish police records. The Smith family so far has not offered anything other than blind accusations and speculation. I think that the wife knows more than she's letting on. She may not be responsible for her husbands death but I think she is trying to look like more of a victim to her family and her inlaws so that the speculation stays away from her and she doesn't get questioned endlessly about her behavior and her husbands behavior on the cruise. It is always better to blame someone else when tragedy strikes because then you have someone tangible to focus your anger on. For the Hagel-Smith family, the anger is being focused on RCCL. Good for them, I'm glad they released this statement and if all is true I hope they quickly clear their name in court with the evidence. Stuff on Rita Cosby right now, MSNBC. I am even more repulsed by George's mother, and her attitude. She talks about RCI attacking?? Is she totally brain dead?? They are the ones that have been attacking for MONTHS now!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coralc Posted January 6, 2006 #21 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Thanks for posting that, Laura. Interesting reading. I think Royal Caribbean did what they could. Their followup was good for something the cruise line had nothing to do with. It's such a titillating sort of incident to follow. And unfortunately we are all fascinated by this sad event. Thanks!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzaholic Posted January 6, 2006 #22 Share Posted January 6, 2006 1corona4u: I caught the remarks that Mrs. Smith (George's mother) made on Rita's show. PhoenixCruiser: Capt. Lachtaridis retired on Dec. 12th. I read in a post from a Brilliance cruiser this past summer (before this incident) that Capt. Michael was planning on retiring in December. He had been with the company some 20+ years. He was with Admiral Cruise Line (Eastern/Western Cruise Lines) before RCI bought that company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexis Posted January 6, 2006 #23 Share Posted January 6, 2006 1corona4u:I caught the remarks that Mrs. Smith (George's mother) made on Rita's show. PhoenixCruiser: Capt. Lachtaridis retired on Dec. 12th. I read in a post from a Brilliance cruiser this past summer (before this incident) that Capt. Michael was planning on retiring in December. He had been with the company some 20+ years. He was with Admiral Cruise Line (Eastern/Western Cruise Lines) before RCI bought that company. Thank you for setting the record straight on his retirement. I did not think RCCL could, or would, be that stupid to "ask" him to leave. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfcathorse Posted January 6, 2006 #24 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I watched the interview yesterday on MSNBC and those lawyers are so...so...so...ARRRRGHHHHHHHHHHH. My niece married one so I can't say. Only the lawyers are going to come out of this with some satisfaction. The captains theory is totally, completely plausible. You got 1 jerk and his bimbo wife on a honeymoon. They lack the maturity to know when to quit drinking. Like some men, George gets violent when totally smashed. He's in the elevator with his bride as she flirts with the casino employee. Gets her back to their room, gets enraged with jealousy, and kicks her out. He falls or runs into something busting his lip/nose (and you know they can bleed as much as a scalp wound). To cool off he goes to sit on the rail on the balconey where he finally passes out, falls onto the awning and into the sea. Meantime, bimbo is passed out in a hallway after wandering around wondering where to go after hubby got mad that she flirted with another man. They'll make a TV movie outta this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatour Posted January 6, 2006 #25 Share Posted January 6, 2006 The Captain was interviewed on I believe the Today show yesterday morning where he re-iterated some of the statements that was in the press release. Based on this latest development, I believe the woman is somewhat embarassed of her actions that night (being found asleep in the hallway, etc) so is trying to implicate RCCL as much as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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