This Thread Is To Be Used For All Discussions About HAL's On Board Smoking Policies

[sail7seas]

Wow, I agree with previous posters, nothing will make these anti smokers happy except banning smoking 100%. <snip>

 

That is totally untrue. Have you actually read this thread? The majority of non-smokers have advocated (as I did, very early on) for a comfortable, ventilated indoor space for smokers, in addition to the outdoor permitted spaces for smoking, but not balconies.

 

 

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

Hey, Liz,,,,,,,,,,, why not read the thread and see posts where some advocated for spots people could smoke and not bother anynone.? Maybe that would interest you?

 

B efore being critical, it might be good to be correct????????????

Edited October 1, 2016 by sail7seas

[OVgirl]

Looks like all the smokers can now leave this thread and head up to the Seaview Bar and have a smoke.

Guess who'll be left arguing about the last indoor smoking spot?:D:D:D

Edited October 1, 2016 by OVgirl

[kennicott]

Anyone know how to stop following a particular CC thread (ie, this one)? You folks on both sides of the discussion have been great and I'm glad HAL has eliminated smoking on balconies. However, it's time to move on and start following other more important threads without having a ton of messages associated with this thread being sent to my email account.

 

I agree. This thread will die out in short order I predict, after everyone has vented their remaining animosities that is.

 

I've always said on this thread, that the only problem we had with HAL is that we didn't want to get stuck with a cigar smoker on the adjacent balcony since we normally take long cruises. I have followed it just in case HAL should change their mind(s). I wasn't optimistic, so yesterday's news came as a great surprise. Sure like to be a "bug on the wall" and learn the background on Stein Kruse's rationale in making the decision.

 

But, as promised, I got in touch with them and current brochures, etc. are on the way. Now, if they wouldn't be so miserly with their internet benefits for Four Star Mariners---(Just Kidding).

[sammiedawg]

It is appropriate to discuss further smoking restrictions. The discussion has never been limited to balcony smoking although it seemed to be the number one complaint.

[sail7seas]

 

 

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

Hey, Liz,,,,,,,,,,, why not read the thread and see posts where some advocated for spots people could smoke and not bother annone.?

B efore

 

 

 

i dleted this post # 4376 and do not know why it still appears.

Edited October 1, 2016 by sail7seas

[sapper1]

 

 

 

:rolleyes:

 

 

Hey, Liz,,,,,,,,,,, why not read the thread and see posts where some advocated for spots people could smoke and not bother anynone.? Maybe that would interest you?

 

B efore being critical, it might be good to be correct????????????

 

Note to Sail.

 

If you re read the posts, you will see that Lizzie was advocating for an indoor space for smokers. You criticized the wrong poster so you should take your own advice about being correct before being critical. Just sayin'.

Edited October 1, 2016 by sapper1

[blizzardboy]

Anyone know how to stop following a particular CC thread (ie, this one)?

 

Look at the bottom of the thread postings emailed to you. There's a "To unsubscribe from this thread" link.

[pnkandpurple]

ALL fires make the news?

[RoyalVisit]

Found this earlier. Not sure where it went. FWIW::rolleyes:

New Smoking Policy For Holland America

 

NEW SMOKING POLICY

 

Holland America Line will implement a new smoking policy beginning in January 2017. No smoking of any kind will be permitted on any stateroom verandah. Smoking of cigarettes, cigars and pipes is already not permitted in any stateroom. We are announcing this new policy to better align with guest wishes and health concerns.

 

http://f.e.hollandamerica.com/i/41/1010169812/Smoking_Policy.pdf

 

September 29, 2016

 

Holland America Line will implement a new smoking policy beginning in January 2017. No smoking of any kind will be permitted on any stateroom verandah. Smoking of cigarettes, cigars and pipes is already not permitted in any stateroom. The new policy has been announced to better align with guest wishes and health concerns. The new smoking policy takes effect on all ships on the following dates (as well as any combination cruise spanning these dates):

 

SHIP NEW SMOKING POLICY BEGINS

 

ms MaasdamJanuary 2, 2017

 

ms RotterdamJanuary 2, 2017

 

ms VolendamJanuary 3, 2017

 

ms NoordamJanuary 4, 2017

 

ms VeendamJanuary 4, 2017

 

ms ZuiderdamJanuary 4, 2017

 

ms Nieuw AmsterdamJanuary 6, 2017

 

ms EurodamJanuary 7, 2017

 

ms WesterdamJanuary 7, 2017

 

ms KoningsdamJanuary 8, 2017

 

ms ZaandamJanuary 10, 2017

 

ms OosterdamJanuary 13, 2017

 

ms AmsterdamApril 26, 2017

 

ms PrinsendamMay 6, 2017 For guests who wish to smoke, the designated smoking areas for all ships are as follows unless otherwise noted:

 

Tobacco products (cigarettes, cigars and pipes)

 

Permitted Outdoors •Sea View (Retreat) Bar/Pool on starboard side. On ms Prinsendam, ms Koningsdam and ms Nieuw Statendam, smoking allowed on the port side. Smoking is never on both sides.•Sun Bar on ms Koningsdam and ms Nieuw Statendam.

 

•• Sports Deck forward and aft of Crow’s Nest on starboard side on ms Maasdam,

 

ms Veendam, ms Volendam, ms Zaandam, ms Rotterdam and ms Amsterdam, aft of

 

Crow’s Nest starboard side.

 

Permitted Indoors

 

• Oak Room on ms Noordam only.

 

• Designated areas for active slot players in Casinos. ms Oosterdam and ms Eurodam

 

casinos are completely non-smoking, however.

 

Not Permitted:

 

Inside all staterooms/suites.

 

On any stateroom/suite verandahs.

 

E-cigarettes and Vaping devices

 

Permitted:

 

Inside all staterooms/suites.

 

Designated smoking areas listed above.

 

Not Permitted:

 

On any stateroom/suite verandahs.

 

Other public areas.

 

Any guest who smokes inside staterooms or verandahs in violation of our policy will be

 

charged a US$250 cleaning fee per day of violation and will risk being removed from the ship

 

for repeated violations.

 

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=http%3A%2F%2Fboards%2Ecr

 

uisecritic%2Ecom%2Fshowthread%2Ephp%3Fp%3D51197349&share_tid=2408006&share_fid=24703&share_type=t&share_pid=51197349

 

 

Ken Skelly

 

I know this won't be popular for everyone but I applaud HAL for this decision and I'm very pleased to see our cruise on this list!

[kazu]

It is appropriate to discuss further smoking restrictions. The discussion has never been limited to balcony smoking although it seemed to be the number one complaint.

 

This is interesting as I know you like Oceania.

 

When I sailed her, they had an inside smoking space as well as a nice protected outside smoking space. Not sure what else was a smoking area, but they certainly seemed to take care of smokers.

 

HaL can do the same thing and everyone will be happy (I hope).

[Snooksi]

ALL fires make the news?

 

I'm really putting myself out there by stating this tidbit without any facts to back up my statement, but I will venture to guess there is a law somewhere that states that any/all fires on a cruise ship must be reported. Whether it be for safety purposes (big one) or merely statistics, I doubt a ship would ever get away with refusing to report a fire

 

The website I shared listed every fire on a cruise ship since 1979. This was not a "news" site. In this day of technology (cell phone cameras), the internet and cruise bulletin boards, do you honestly believe a fire could possibly occur on a ship's balcony without it being reported in the media, on the internet or even a cruise site thread? Surely, some non-smoker somewhere would spread the news within minutes.

 

With the prevalence of Norovirus on so many cruise ships, why aren't some of you people jumping on your soap boxes and demanding mandatory handwashing on all cruise ships? Yes, some people actually need rules and laws to figure out they are supposed to do something which is just common sense to most other people. Otherwise, Norovirus wouldn't ever be a problem on any ship. I will bet Norovirus has affected more people on cruise ships than the occasional whiff of a cigarette on someone's balcony. I wonder how much a cruise ship hand inspector would make a year? New jobs!!

Edited October 1, 2016 by Snooksi

[RuthC]

Actually, the simplest method is to just not open the thread to read more posts. Bypass it.

If you have your subscription set for daily (possibly also for weekly; I'm not sure how that setting works) e-mail notifications, though, those will keep coming, and clog up the ol' "in" box. Easier to just switch to "no notifications", or unsubscribe entirely.

Then don't open the thread again. ;)

[sammiedawg]

This is interesting as I know you like Oceania.

 

When I sailed her, they had an inside smoking space as well as a nice protected outside smoking space. Not sure what else was a smoking area, but they certainly seemed to take care of smokers.

 

HaL can do the same thing and everyone will be happy (I hope).

 

What in the world does free discussion on this thread have to do with Oceania?

[sapper1]

What in the world does free discussion on this thread have to do with Oceania?

 

I think you just answered your own question-----free discussion.

[lakemurraykid]

We haven't cruised with HAL in about six years, so I may be behind the times. I have read the new smoking rules and have no problem with them. But I do have one question. If smoking is allowed in the casinos, why not on Ms. Oosterdam and Ms. Eurodam. Do you know if there is a specific reason for that?

[Lady Arwen]

We haven't cruised with HAL in about six years, so I may be behind the times. I have read the new smoking rules and have no problem with them. But I do have one question. If smoking is allowed in the casinos, why not on Ms. Oosterdam and Ms. Eurodam. Do you know if there is a specific reason for that?

 

I think HAL is trying out a new smoking policy on just two ships to see the response. I would not at all be surprised that this new policy will be fleet wide in the future as to be competitive with Celebrity. HAL is moving in the right direction. We shall see how this is received on Eurodam and Oosterdam.

[lakemurraykid]

I think HAL is trying out a new smoking policy on just two ships to see the response. I would not at all be surprised that this new policy will be fleet wide in the future as to be competitive with Celebrity. HAL is moving in the right direction. We shall see how this is received on Eurodam and Oosterdam.

I admit I am a smoker and have absolutely no problem with the new smoking policies. My DH and I are sailing on the Eurodam for New Years and from what I read, the policy for the Eurodam goes into effect on January 7, 2017. I want to fully understand the areas outside where smoking is permitted.

 

In reading the policy I was a little unclear about the casino on the Eurodam, so if someone can clarify that for me I would appreciate it. :)

[kazu]

I admit I am a smoker and have absolutely no problem with the new smoking policies. My DH and I are sailing on the Eurodam for New Years and from what I read, the policy for the Eurodam goes into effect on January 7, 2017. I want to fully understand the areas outside where smoking is permitted.

 

In reading the policy I was a little unclear about the casino on the Eurodam, so if someone can clarify that for me I would appreciate it. :)

 

 

Your cruise will come under the "old" rules which are still on the Holland America site.

 

Under those, it appears that only Noordam's casino is non-smoking.

 

Here is the link with the current smoking rules - http://www.hollandamerica.com/cruise-vacation-planning/PlanningAndAdvice.action?tabName=Shipboard+Life&contentMenu=Onboard+Policies&contentSubMenu=Is+Smoking+Allowed+On+Board?&WT.ac=PopTop_Smoking

[lakemurraykid]

Your cruise will come under the "old" rules which are still on the Holland America site.

 

Under those, it appears that only Noordam's casino is non-smoking.

 

Here is the link with the current smoking rules - http://www.hollandamerica.com/cruise-vacation-planning/PlanningAndAdvice.action?tabName=Shipboard+Life&contentMenu=Onboard+Policies&contentSubMenu=Is+Smoking+Allowed+On+Board?&WT.ac=PopTop_Smoking

Kazu, thank you so much. I obviously misread that. I was thinking that's the way it had always been. Thank you for clarifying this old mind I have.

[RuthC]

I have read the new smoking rules and have no problem with them. But I do have one question. If smoking is allowed in the casinos, why not on Ms. Oosterdam and Ms. Eurodam. Do you know if there is a specific reason for that?

There is no smoking allowed at all in the Casino on those two ships because they have been reconstructed in that area. The Sports Bar, Piano Lounge, and Northern Lights have all been opened up to make one huge area with the Casino in the center.

Smoke would carry over too large an area, so it was banned there entirely.

[rafinmd]

Your cruise will come under the "old" rules which are still on the Holland America site.

 

Under those, it appears that only Noordam's casino is non-smoking.

 

Here is the link with the current smoking rules - http://www.hollandamerica.com/cruise-vacation-planning/PlanningAndAdvice.action?tabName=Shipboard+Life&contentMenu=Onboard+Policies&contentSubMenu=Is+Smoking+Allowed+On+Board?&WT.ac=PopTop_Smoking

 

Does this mean that under the new rules they will BEGIN allowing smoking on the Noordam casino as it's banned on 2 other ships? Seems a bit strange. Am I missing something?

 

Roy

[cruiseing marly]

There is no smoking allowed at all in the Casino on those two ships because they have been reconstructed in that area. The Sports Bar, Piano Lounge, and Northern Lights have all been opened up to make one huge area with the Casino in the center.

Smoke would carry over too large an area, so it was banned there entirely.

 

Going on the Koningsdam Mid May love the new policy ! They are saving me money if they still allow smoking in the casino . YAY:o:o PS love Holland America and still would have used them !!

[RuthC]

Does this mean that under the new rules they will BEGIN allowing smoking on the Noordam casino as it's banned on 2 other ships? Seems a bit strange. Am I missing something?

Probably not, Roy. That is, as to the "BEGIN" part. I suspect it's just a poorly worded aspect of the announcement, without consideration of the existing casino smoking policy on the Noordam.

 

After all, the Noordam has a separate, enclosed, smoking room which is not far from the Casino (think vertically, not horizontally). There's no need to introduce smoking in the Casino on that ship when it's a quick get-away for a ciggy.

[alwaysfrantic]

Does this mean that under the new rules they will BEGIN allowing smoking on the Noordam casino as it's banned on 2 other ships? Seems a bit strange. Am I missing something?

 

Roy

 

It sounds like you're right. I didn't realize it was banned in the casino now. Maybe the change with the new policy since Noordam has an inside area for smoking under the new policy(?)

[blizzardboy]

We haven't cruised with HAL in about six years, so I may be behind the times. I have read the new smoking rules and have no problem with them. But I do have one question. If smoking is allowed in the casinos, why not on Ms. Oosterdam and Ms. Eurodam. Do you know if there is a specific reason for that?

 

Both ships have undergone the refurb that changed the layout of the bars etc around the casino, making it impossible to confine smoke in the casino. Take a look at the Deck Plan for Deck 2 and you'll see what I mean. http://www.hollandamerica.com/main/DeckPlansFull.action?ship=ed_2&deck=lp&deep=0

Edited October 2, 2016 by blizzardboy