Possible man overboard on Grandeur

[MaritimeR&R]

Allegedly, a 70 yr. old solo male traveler committed suicide sometime late Wed. to early Thurs aboard the Grandeur. Personnel did not know until a note was found by the cabin attendant.

Here is the article:

http://www.cruiselawnews.com/2014/08/articles/disappearances-1/person-overboard-from-royal-caribbeans-grandeur-of-the-seas/

 

The non compliance with the Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act of 2010 is going to be another bad mark for the cruise industry at the hearings in D.C.

[BillOh]

"Why didn't the ship turn around and conduct a search?"

 

They discovered it 12 hours later, probably pointless for the ship to go back.

[Paulxyz2004]

Seeing the source I knew it was not worth reading the article.:rolleyes:

[Aquahound]

The systems capable of automatically detecting a man overboard, and differentiating between a person and object are just now coming on line and being installed on ships. The law says the systems will be installed "to the extent technology is available." It takes time to install and test these systems on ships and it isn't the cruise lines who install them. It's reliant on the availability of the contractors.

 

As for why they didn't turn around....even Jim Walker should have enough common sense there. But common sense wouldn't support his greed, so....:rolleyes:

[MaritimeR&R]

Seeing the source I knew it was not worth reading the article.:rolleyes:

 

I wasn't really concerned with the questions he raised -- just wanted to note the incident on the boards as I had not seen it mentioned.

[DragonOfTheSeas]

Yes--very sad. I agree 12 hours after the fact is too long to search.

[dancinman66]

Wow

I feel sorry that people feel there is no other way out

 

Thoughts with all his family and friends

 

 

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[KirkNC]

Sad it came to that.

[leaveitallbehind]

Seeing the source I knew it was not worth reading the article.:rolleyes:

 

Agree completely. Other than for the tragic nature of the incident, the rest of the article is worthless.

[DShock]

If someone is bent on hurting themselves there is nothing the cruise industry can do. This is just another blood sucking lawyer trying to extract money from a lucrative industry. And since there are so many people looking for a free ride these days he will have no issues getting people to initiate lawsuits. A sad thing for this persons family but he would have done this some other way anyway. To hold the cruise line responsible is ridiculous.

[Dawniepoo]

Agree completely. Other than for the tragic nature of the incident, the rest of the article is worthless.

 

It was also poorly written. He graduated from law school?? :eek:

[Philly Steve]

A lonely way to go out. Family and friends must be shattered by this.

[jayblue]

Yeah, I made the mistake of joining his FB and lingering.

 

Not exactly unbiased.

 

jayblue RCCL cruiser

[MaritimeR&R]

A lonely way to go out. Family and friends must be shattered by this.

 

One would hope that he had friends and family. As no further information regarding the incident has yet to be published, it would be impossible to speculate what his motivations were and whether there is anyone that would mourn his loss.

[Paulxyz2004]

I wasn't really concerned with the questions he raised -- just wanted to note the incident on the boards as I had not seen it mentioned.

 

Of course......

 

 

The non compliance with the Cruise Vessel Security and Safety Act of 2010 is going to be another bad mark for the cruise industry at the hearings in D.C.

 

:rolleyes:

[Deptacon]

Blows my mind how some people decide to end it... I mean if you are going to do it put some thought into it.

 

Jumping off a ship... Could float for hours before drowning... Which is slow and painful in itself....Jeez... Some people.

 

And the authors comment about the ship not going back.... As if they were wrong to keep going.... !?!? Its 12 hours in the middle f the ocean and he was 70.... Lets be realistic about his chances... And finding that exact spot plus currents and drift...come on.... Is this even a legit source?

 

 

 

 

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Edited August 10, 2014 by Deptacon

[FLACRUISER99]

Seeing the source I knew it was not worth reading the article.:rolleyes:

I agree as I also refuse to view his website.

[LMaxwell]

I agree as I also refuse to view his website.

Most people know he is the ambulance chaser type, but let's also face facts that his site reported factual news and this is the first it made it to CC. You don't have to like or respect him to acknowledge that he has provided us with news.

[FLACRUISER99]

Most people know he is the ambulance chaser type, but let's also face facts that his site reported factual news and this is the first it made it to CC. You don't have to like or respect him to acknowledge that he has provided us with news.

Clicking on his website supports him and I refuse to do it as I consider him an enemy of the cruise industry.

[LMaxwell]

Clicking on his website supports him and I refuse to do it as I consider him an enemy of the cruise industry.

 

Fair enough.

[Paulxyz2004]

Most people know he is the ambulance chaser type, but let's also face facts that his site reported factual news and this is the first it made it to CC. You don't have to like or respect him to acknowledge that he has provided us with news.

 

 

Sorry but I entirely disagree on this. There´s not much factual News on his site and even the far and few Facts you might find in between the BS he Posts on his site I don´t consider as fact unless they are confirmed by reliable sources. So nope I don´t consider anything on there as factual News.

He did not provide any News on CC either, that´s unless he is the OP.

[matj2000]

They are probably going to either raise the plexiglass about 12ft high.

 

Or ban solo cruisers...

 

Then we will all be safe, from ourselves...

[Charles4515]

The systems capable of automatically detecting a man overboard, and differentiating between a person and object are just now coming on line and being installed on ships. The law says the systems will be installed "to the extent technology is available." It takes time to install and test these systems on ships and it isn't the cruise lines who install them. It's reliant on the availability of the contractors.

 

 

 

As for why they didn't turn around....even Jim Walker should have enough common sense there. But common sense wouldn't support his greed, so....:rolleyes:

 

 

Jim Walker does not let common sense get in the way of his mission against the cruise lines. I follow him on twitter because he does sometimes make good points. The cruise lines are also greedy and need counterpoints, but a lawyer who makes his living off of suing them has to be taken skepticism, particularly Walker, who often goes extreme and makes irrational claims and statements.

[Charles4515]

Clicking on his website supports him and I refuse to do it as I consider him an enemy of the cruise industry.

 

 

The cruise industry needs some enemies. The problem with Walker is that he is extreme. I follow him on twitter as sometimes there is info there first and once in a while he is correct. His problem is that his hatred and adversary relationship to the cruise industry have made his site a joke.

[Cindy]

 

As for why they didn't turn around....even Jim Walker should have enough common sense there. But common sense wouldn't support his greed, so....:rolleyes:

 

LIKE!

 

While the suicide is very sad, that's not the point of the article. Sadly, Jim Walker sees a passenger death as another way to discredit the cruise lines and make a buck.:mad: He doesn't care at all about the human side of the story, which to me is the story...not the cruise lines' failure to immediately take ships out of service to install systems that are just now coming available. You or I hear about a cruise ship death and we immediately think of the passenger and the family. Jim Walker hears about a cruise ship death and he thinks about dollars -- lots of dollars.

 

My fear is that at some point the government is going to step in and legislate measures that will make a cruise not a cruise -- like unclimbable plexiglass walls and chain-link overhead in open areas.:mad: You can't save everybody who does something stupid when they're drunk, and unfortunately you can't prevent every suicide either.:(