HAL just lost my business because of cigarette smoke

[idiebabe]

Thanks for your post, but what is a smoking machine???

 

The ones that allow Smoking at them and have a pic of a cigarette on them! ;)

[SetAnOpenCourse]

I don't think so. You wouldn't be able to see for all that vapour.

 

Edited to add.... all casinos in BC are smoke free. They sure aren't suffering, it's crowded at all times.

 

I had a feeling that a suggestion of compromise and an Internet forum might go together like oil and water. :-)

 

I have little experience with those vapors. I just assumed it was a lot better than cigarette smoke, which has such an unnatural stink.

 

(Meanwhile, I actually enjoy the smell of Cigars!)

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typo, and smiley issue

[navybankerteacher]

And when you go out on the open deck, can you smell the clouds of diesel fumes and smoke coming from the stack?

Those fumes and smoke are carcinogenic. They are killing you. YOU have the choice not to breathe those fumes.

 

Has anyone else experienced "CLOUDS OF DIESEL FUMES AND SMOKE COMING FROM THE STACK" when they "go out on the open deck" - or are we just experiencing someone with a grievance and a special way of expressing it.

[Himself]

I am a former smoker. I smoked for over thirty years and I have been off them for a quarter of a century. The only place I see smoking is on the starboard side of the sea view pool..

[Karennella]

I have never been a smoker but I have to say that the drift of the noise on the K bothered me much more than the drift of smoke from the casino. It was awful to experience the disturbance from the bar etc when the musicians were playing so beautifully.Obviously the issue in both cases is the open planning of the ship, a concept which is so popular but produces a lot of problems.

I suspect that most companies will not entirely ban smoking yet as they cater to nationalities where smoking is still at a much higher rate than in Angloland. If you really hate smoke I suggest you avoid a land tour in China.

[Hal&Rob]

Worse than cigarette smoke: when someone bathes in cologne/perfume.

[sail7seas]

I don't think so. You wouldn't be able to see for all that vapour.

 

Edited to add.... all casinos in BC are smoke free. They sure aren't suffering, it's crowded at all times.

 

 

I was actually wondering the same thing.;):confused:

 

 

 

I can only comment on the non smoking nights I have seen in the casino. The place is dead compared to the other nights.

 

The smoking area is not that large in the casinos and, I am actually surprised that a new ship like the Koningsdam does not have a better ventilation system. I didn't see a major issue on the Rotterdam (smell throughout) on our last cruise.

 

It is what it is and all about choices. There are ships with absolutely no smoking in the casino so there are choices.

 

Like it or not, the casino needs to make money and if smokers make them money.......

 

 

which is it? Lizzie has one observation while Kazu another. Does a casino's profits drop if no smoking permitted?

[3rdGenCunarder]

which is it? Lizzie has one observation while Kazu another. Does a casino's profits drop if no smoking permitted?

 

The two situations they described have one big difference--land vs sea. If all the casinos in BC are non-smoking, smokers have no choice. If they want to go to casino, they have to accept that they can't smoke there.

 

But when a ship offers some nights in the casino as smoke-free and other nights when people can smoke, smokers have a choice. They can skip the smoke-free nights. For non-smokers, the smoke-free nights are only marginally better because the smell lingers. Even when people aren't smoking, the casino still has that dirty-ashtray smell. I'm not saying that the residual smell is a health issue (I don't know of any studies about that). But for me as a nonsmoker, it's a disgusting smell that would keep me out of the casino anyway. So perhaps the nonsmoking nights are driving away one group of passengers while not enticing as many of the others as HAL might like.

[3rdGenCunarder]

I have never been a smoker but I have to say that the drift of the noise on the K bothered me much more than the drift of smoke from the casino. It was awful to experience the disturbance from the bar etc when the musicians were playing so beautifully.Obviously the issue in both cases is the open planning of the ship, a concept which is so popular but produces a lot of problems.

I suspect that most companies will not entirely ban smoking yet as they cater to nationalities where smoking is still at a much higher rate than in Angloland. If you really hate smoke I suggest you avoid a land tour in China.

 

I have read comments about both smoke drift and noise drift on the K'dam on other threads, not just this one.

 

What I don't understand is how HAL failed to recognize that an open plan means that one environment overlaps another. On their other ships, we put up with the background noise of passing conversations when we go to hear Adagio because of where they play. But on a ship that makes a dedicated space for different kids of music, you'd think they would respect the music enough to make better choices in designing those spaces.

 

Same thing with the casino. If it's open to surrounding areas, HAL had to know the smoke would drift. It's a brand-new ship, don't they care that they're letting it get dirty so quickly?

[Lizzie68]

I was actually wondering the same thing.;):confused:

 

 

 

I can only comment on the non smoking nights I have seen in the casino. The place is dead compared to the other nights.

 

The smoking area is not that large in the casinos and, I am actually surprised that a new ship like the Koningsdam does not have a better ventilation system. I didn't see a major issue on the Rotterdam (smell throughout) on our last cruise.

 

It is what it is and all about choices. There are ships with absolutely no smoking in the casino so there are choices.

 

Like it or not, the casino needs to make money and if smokers make them money.......

 

But you are implying that only smokers gamble. So not true. It could very well be that the smoke and smell - even on "non smoking nights" - keeps the non smoking gamblers away. As our casinos are making money hand over fist with the non smoking laws, I am sure HAL could do the same.

[innlady1]

Smokers do not realize how disgusting it smells. I can say that as I smoked a pack a day for 30 years. Never smelled a thing. [emoji45]

 

In fact, I stopped 17 years ago this weekend! [emoji7]

 

Once I quit, I began to realize how bad it smelled. I've heard it's worse for a former smoker. So I've never frequented the casinos on HAL ships. The smell permeates the place, it's still there on a non smoking day.

 

 

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[kazu]

But you are implying that only smokers gamble. So not true. It could very well be that the smoke and smell - even on "non smoking nights" - keeps the non smoking gamblers away. As our casinos are making money hand over fist with the non smoking laws, I am sure HAL could do the same.

 

Wasn't trying to imply that all Lizzie ;)

 

Just making a comment on what I observed and what I was told.

 

On my most recent cruise only a miniscule number of slots were available to smokers. Most machines were non smoking and there were usually people there playing on the smoking nights. When I visited on non smoking nights there was a huge difference in the # of people.

 

Staff in the casino said that was common on non smoking nights on that ship.

[sail7seas]

The two situations they described have one big difference--land vs sea. If all the casinos in BC are non-smoking, smokers have no choice. If they want to go to casino, they have to accept that they can't smoke there.

 

But when a ship offers some nights in the casino as smoke-free and other nights when people can smoke, smokers have a choice. They can skip the smoke-free nights. For non-smokers, the smoke-free nights are only marginally better because the smell lingers. Even when people aren't smoking, the casino still has that dirty-ashtray smell. I'm not saying that the residual smell is a health issue (I don't know of any studies about that). But for me as a nonsmoker, it's a disgusting smell that would keep me out of the casino anyway. So perhaps the nonsmoking nights are driving away one group of passengers while not enticing as many of the others as HAL might like.

 

 

Good point, that is a major difference.

 

I will not stay in a room that has that stale smell of smoke. IT GETS ON OUR HAIR, CLOTHES......... it is really awful. Y ears ago, it was sifferent but now I annever exposed to it in my every day life. When I am traveling, exposure to that smoke , EVEN DAYS OLD STALE smoke sickens me.

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[Mustsea]

My original post was really an open letter to HAL - I was hoping one of the top brass would see it. I first sent an email, but I wasn't sure it would make it to the right department/person.

 

 

Most people if given the choice would opt for clean air. For some of us, it's of the utmost importance. (And, as an aside, I also will make the point that not every person has a keen sense of smell. Two family members immediately come to mind.) Smelling cigarette smoke for some is an unpleasant annoyance - it smells bad and is harmful to health. For others with sinus issues, asthma, chemical sensitivity, lung issues or a weaker constitution, etc, the health effect is instantaneously felt. It's so much more than an annoyance or nuisance.

 

Also, regarding the posts about the diesel emissions, perhaps I've encountered this?? We were on Windstar's Wind Surf last year and dined al fresco each breakfast and lunch and some dinners. So lovely! And talk about great service! There was always a table waiting for us and the staff would carry my plate. However, my lungs would gently ache while sitting there. My husband always felt fine! Several years ago on the Vision of the Seas I would experience the lung ache on our otherwise wonderful aft wrap-around balcony! (Soot had to be cleaned daily.) Again, husband had no symptoms!

[sail7seas]

And when you go out on the open deck, can you smell the clouds of diesel fumes and smoke coming from the stack?

Those fumes and smoke are carcinogenic. They are killing you. YOU have the choice not to breathe those fumes.

 

Now I remember why Host Wallt created a separate thread we were to use for all smoking conversation. i dont' know why it is not still in use. These posts could be a good reason to reinstate it.

[sammiedawg]

SMH reading this thread. Laughed out loud reading about the "smoking machines". Since when does smoke stay in the smoking corner?

There is nothing more repulsive than smelling cigarette smoke. Smokers lose their sense of smell and taste but they've been told by society that their habit reeks.

Fortunately I live in an almost smoke free world.

[navybankerteacher]

Good point, that is a major difference.

 

I will not stay in a room that has that stale smell of smoke. IT GETS ON OUR HAIR, CLOTHES......... it is really awful. Y ears ago, it was sifferent but now I annever exposed to it in my every day life. When I am traveling, exposure to that smoke , EVEN DAYS OLD STALE smoke sickens me.

 

This does seem to be the case: in the past when people smoked everywhere the smell was simply a part of the environment experienced everywhere. Now, when we can breathe clean air most of the time, the effect of even day-old smoke lingering in fabrics and on surfaces is so much more noticeable.

[JVilleGal]

No smoking allowed! Just 2 small outdoor areas. Was on Hal this summer in Alaska and am really sensitive to any smoke and never smelled a wiff!

 

 

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[JVilleGal]

Thank you all for posting. We are scheduled on the Koningsdam in Dec. I am an oxygen user and am very sensitive to smoke. This is very disturbing. What is the matter with HAL don't they understand that smoking kills people..

 

 

 

Didn’t you read? There is no smoking! So what is disturbing you?

 

 

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[zitsky]

What to do if you find yourself in a room someone smoked in, and it still smells? What if there are no other rooms available? Would you ask for an upgrade? Yes I know what the rules say but sometimes a room is not cleaned enough.

[Mustsea]

No smoking allowed! Just 2 small outdoor areas. Was on Hal this summer in Alaska and am really sensitive to any smoke and never smelled a wiff!

 

 

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...Good to hear. You just might encounter the opposite if you were to sail the Kdam, depending on the sailing and number of smokers. I've sailed the Edam and Ndam and wanted to try the newest build. However, after reading the posts (I'm so thankful for CC reviews) I do not want to take the chance.

[JVilleGal]

 

Maybe this will clarify things!

 

 

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[Mustsea]

What to do if you find yourself in a room someone smoked in, and it still smells? What if there are no other rooms available? Would you ask for an upgrade? Yes I know what the rules say but sometimes a room is not cleaned enough.

I've called ahead an requested for a deep clean of my cabin. Cannot remember which lines - but this was back in the day of smoking in cabin/balcony.

[zitsky]

Didn’t you read? There is no smoking! So what is disturbing you?

 

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Why the rudeness? I thought this was a pretty nice forum. For some, this isn't an inconvenience, but a serious health issue. My understanding is that HAL still allows smoking outdoors, in a few areas.

[Mustsea]

 

Maybe this will clarify things!

 

 

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Please read the bullet Casino. Active players may smoke - just not on Odam and Edam.