PRINCESS SHIPS & CORONA VIRUS

[seapals2]

11 minutes ago, koolforkatz said:

Princess Cruises confirms that 10 passengers have tested positive.

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/05/coronavirus-latest-updates.html

 

In the light of this you have to assume the remaining passengers will have to stay onboard for 14 days at least.  If I was on the ship I wouldn’t be leaving my cabin, voluntarily.  There will be some stuck in inside cabins .. no fresh air .. no daylight... and someone posted they preferred that to being at home and doing chores!!!  

[koolforkatz]

But if they're confined to their cabins, which you would assume, who is feeding them? I mean, if everyone is under quarantine. Unless health professionals from ashore are looking after them? I can't even imagine.

[BermudaBound2014]

13 minutes ago, koolforkatz said:

But if they're confined to their cabins, which you would assume, who is feeding them? I mean, if everyone is under quarantine. Unless health professionals from ashore are looking after them? I can't even imagine.

One person reporting On social media said room service only, but she couldn’t get through on the phone. I can’t imagine. 

[koolforkatz]

3 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

One person reporting On social media said room service only, but she couldn’t get through on the phone. I can’t imagine. 

 

What a nightmare for everyone confined on that ship, and for 14 days 😞

[lhall85917]

From CNN

[dog]

A good lesson to be prepared with an extra supply of your medications. It sounds like Princess is trying their best and from being in Japan, it is one of the best places to deal with this...IMHO.

[gilboman]

27 minutes ago, seapals2 said:

In the light of this you have to assume the remaining passengers will have to stay onboard for 14 days at least.  If I was on the ship I wouldn’t be leaving my cabin, voluntarily.  There will be some stuck in inside cabins .. no fresh air .. no daylight... and someone posted they preferred that to being at home and doing chores!!!  

Why? They tested everyone already? So of they're negative now, they'll be negative

 

They're not testing only those with symptoms

[npcl]

7 minutes ago, gilboman said:

Why? They tested everyone already? So of they're negative now, they'll be negative

 

They're not testing only those with symptoms

Not necessarily.  They have tested those that they identify as close contact, roughly 230 according to another article.  The 10 identified came from the 31 completed tests, they are awaiting the results from others.

 

A negative test does not mean that someone is clear of the virus according to the CDC.  Testing those that have not developed symptoms would not say for sure that they are clear.  Thus the waiting through the incubation period.

Edited February 5, 2020 by npcl

[Redwing55]

1 minute ago, npcl said:

Not necessarily.  They have tested those that they identify as close contact, roughly 300 according to another article.  The 10 identified came from the 38 completed tests, they are awaiting the results from others.

 

A negative test does not mean that someone is clear of the virus according to the CDC.  Testing those that have not developed symptoms would not say for sure that they are clear.  Thus the waiting through the incubation period.

So the only thing the test can show is positive?  If it shows negative, one can still have the virus?  I'm not in this field, but I find that a bit odd.  That's pretty unfortunate then.

[BermudaBound2014]

What is super alarming to me is that 1/3 of the rest reports that have been returned are positive (10 of 31). There are still 200 tests we are waiting kn results for. How many does diamond princess hold? They have  only ran 230 tests - there must be 1,000s on that ship that haven’t even been tested. The numbers are mind boggling.

[OzKiwiJJ]

7 minutes ago, Redwing55 said:

So the only thing the test can show is positive?  If it shows negative, one can still have the virus?  I'm not in this field, but I find that a bit odd.  That's pretty unfortunate then.

Not uncommon, I believe, with many sorts of tests like that. I did read something somewhere saying that the Coronavirus test did sometimes show false positives and false negatives.

 

[elliair]

40 minutes ago, seapals2 said:

In the light of this you have to assume the remaining passengers will have to stay onboard for 14 days at least.  If I was on the ship I wouldn’t be leaving my cabin, voluntarily.  There will be some stuck in inside cabins .. no fresh air .. no daylight... and someone posted they preferred that to being at home and doing chores!!!  

This is why we don't cruise unless we have a balcony.  No one is getting off that ship until they've been quarantined.  I swear the crud I caught on the Star Princess to Hawaii laid me out for almost a month.  I'm going out on a limb here, but this virus is far worse than anything we have seen in our life time.  Some of us who have upcoming cruises may not make it on the ship.  There's no stopping this coronovirus.  A vaccine is many months away.

[OzKiwiJJ]

1 minute ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

What is super alarming to me is that 1/3 of the rest reports that have been returned are positive (10 of 31). There are still 200 tests we are waiting kn results for. How many does diamond princess hold? They have  only ran 230 tests - there must be 1,000s on that ship that haven’t even been tested. The numbers are mind boggling.

Not necessarily. The tests that have been done so far were probably on people known to have been in contact with the original carrier.

[elliair]

10 minutes ago, Redwing55 said:

So the only thing the test can show is positive?  If it shows negative, one can still have the virus?  I'm not in this field, but I find that a bit odd.  That's pretty unfortunate then.

That's true.  You can test negative, negative, then test positive.  You are a carrier and can spread the virus thinking you don't have the coronovirus.  Kinda like a Typhoid Mary.

[elliair]

3 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

Not necessarily. The tests that have been done so far were probably on people known to have been in contact with the original carrier.

Does the PTB know where the people infected have been on the ship?  Buffet touching spoons, handrails, elevator (droplets in the air), shows, casino, on and on spreading it.  It's not only paying passengers who are in trouble, but the whole crew!  I don't believe the ship's doctor and his/her crew are equipped to handle this kind of contagious outbreak that are killing people on land and fast.

[Aus Traveller]

7 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

What is super alarming to me is that 1/3 of the rest reports that have been returned are positive (10 of 31). There are still 200 tests we are waiting kn results for. How many does diamond princess hold? They have  only ran 230 tests - there must be 1,000s on that ship that haven’t even been tested. The numbers are mind boggling.

The ship had 3,711 passengers and crew. Probably the first people tested were those who had been in contact with the infected passenger. The worrying thing is that he had been on the previous cruise and didn't show symptoms until 6 days after he disembarked. I don't know if it will be announced, but maybe the 10 infected people are crew who came into contact with him.

[BermudaBound2014]

And the additional 10 who have tested positive potentially been in contact with all. Such high density populations on cruise ships. Alarming to me. 

[qqwer123]

Ok so I’m in contact with friends on this ship. They are going to be on this ship for another 14 days. They were supposed to get off and they are now in quarantine. They are ok and not sick but have unpacked their suitcases and are trying to make the best of this situation. 

[elliair]

5 minutes ago, BermudaBound2014 said:

And the additional 10 who have tested positive potentially been in contact with all. Such high density populations on cruise ships. Alarming to me. 

Think about it.  If this virus is now a R0-4 (possibly higher), that means for every 4 people the 1 infected comes into contact with they have infected them.  Do the math.  It multiplies rapidly, that's why so many are infected and dropping.  I read where a family of 5 who were quarantined in their home were ALL found dead.

[elliair]

1 minute ago, qqwer123 said:

Ok so I’m in contact with friends on this ship. They are going to be on this ship for another 14 days. They were supposed to get off and they are now in quarantine. They are ok and not sick but have unpacked their suitcases and are trying to make the best of this situation. 

Oh Lord, my heart goes out to them.  I can't imagine the panic some of the passengers might be experiencing.

[npcl]

33 minutes ago, Redwing55 said:

So the only thing the test can show is positive?  If it shows negative, one can still have the virus?  I'm not in this field, but I find that a bit odd.  That's pretty unfortunate then.

Here is a good description of the tests

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/mers/lab/lab-testing.html

[npcl]

19 minutes ago, elliair said:

Does the PTB know where the people infected have been on the ship?  Buffet touching spoons, handrails, elevator (droplets in the air), shows, casino, on and on spreading it.  It's not only paying passengers who are in trouble, but the whole crew!  I don't believe the ship's doctor and his/her crew are equipped to handle this kind of contagious outbreak that are killing people on land and fast.

I believe that the that are confirmed positive are being taken off ship into a land based facility that provides better isolation and well as treatment.

[AlanF65]

I would go stir crazy not being able to leave my room for 14 days, pretty tough to get a decent walk in. These poor people being stuck where they are, there are only so many movies and TV shows and books you can read. I wonder if those with balconies are allowed out on the balconies or they are closed off.

[npcl]

I wonder if everyone is getting free internet and/or the ability to make phone calls. 

[elliair]

4 minutes ago, AlanF65 said:

I would go stir crazy not being able to leave my room for 14 days, pretty tough to get a decent walk in. These poor people being stuck where they are, there are only so many movies and TV shows and books you can read. I wonder if those with balconies are allowed out on the balconies or they are closed off.

I would go out on the balcony and at least get some fresh air.  You aren't in contact with anyone else but whoever is in your cabin.  Maybe Princess will open up the internet for everyone to use.  I suppose room service would be delivering all the food to cabins.  What a mess!  I always pack laundry soap, so I guess I would be doing DH and my undies in the sink and hang them out on the balcony to dry.  Heh, improvise.