Kiwi Kruzer Posted May 31, 2020 Author #126 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Yes...the links in the chain are very fragile and small steps are indeed called for ..... however.. something has to be done to get things moving. Slowly at first . Perhaps some sort of incentive or discount for domestic travel . Getting people moving will help to provide and keep jobs . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare MicCanberra Posted May 31, 2020 #127 Share Posted May 31, 2020 Good that clears the way for that Malka Leifa o come and face he courts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky55 Posted May 31, 2020 #128 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) This might help - it’s looking good. Refers to the vaccine from Oxford, which is being developed in conjunction with UQ . Same story in the Guardian ....... https://www.astrazeneca.com/content/astraz/media-centre/press-releases/2020/astrazeneca-advances-response-to-global-covid-19-challenge-as-it-receives-first-commitments-for-oxfords-potential-new-vaccine.html https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/21/astrazeneca-could-supply-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-from-september Edited May 31, 2020 by Porky55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiliburn Posted May 31, 2020 #129 Share Posted May 31, 2020 42 minutes ago, Docker123 said: There had also been an approach from Israel to have a travel bubble with Australia. Govt has said current focus only with NZ. But how confident can you be with a country that boarders with undisciplined countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiliburn Posted May 31, 2020 #130 Share Posted May 31, 2020 I heard on the radio that a seat on a plane from sydney to Melbourne starts at $800. If that is true what's a flight across the Tasman? It will take a while to get the volume to reduce the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassa Posted May 31, 2020 #131 Share Posted May 31, 2020 16 minutes ago, Chiliburn said: I heard on the radio that a seat on a plane from sydney to Melbourne starts at $800. If that is true what's a flight across the Tasman? It will take a while to get the volume to reduce the price. If you look at webjet, seats Melb to Sydney or Melbourne to Goldcoast both in Sept/Oct are only a little dearer than usual. Accommodation on the Goldcoast in October is quite good. No way are we going to Cairns, which was our first choice, because we would have to change flights which makes it a long haul. Cruising is still the best value but we will wait and see how long that takes to come back, but my glass is half full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Bay Posted May 31, 2020 #132 Share Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Chiliburn said: I heard on the radio that a seat on a plane from sydney to Melbourne starts at $800. If that is true what's a flight across the Tasman? It will take a while to get the volume to reduce the price. I just checked Jetstar and they have $79 one way fare for June. Edited May 31, 2020 by By The Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
possum52 Posted May 31, 2020 #133 Share Posted May 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, Chiliburn said: I heard on the radio that a seat on a plane from sydney to Melbourne starts at $800. If that is true what's a flight across the Tasman? It will take a while to get the volume to reduce the price. I just looked at Qantas/Jetstar for a flight from Sydney to Melbourne towards the end of this week - the only Red e Deal fare was $331 and return a week later was $204-$281. Flex fares were $452 and return the same. Later in the month ranged from $128-$241 for Red e fares and Flex fares were from $452-517. Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiliburn Posted May 31, 2020 #134 Share Posted May 31, 2020 There ya go ,don't listen to the media Couldn't you get it for under $50 at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By The Bay Posted May 31, 2020 #135 Share Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chiliburn said: There ya go ,don't listen to the media Couldn't you get it for under $50 at times. Never let the truth get in the way of a alarming headline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiliburn Posted June 1, 2020 #136 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, By The Bay said: Never let the truth get in the way of a alarming headline. Another good one is never let a good catastrophe go to waste. Probably in the height of the lock down airfares were through the roof and are coming down. Especially advance purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted June 1, 2020 #137 Share Posted June 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Porky55 said: Will you look at the list of countries? One really stands out 🙄 Not a chance!! Anyway, I thought an ‘air-bridge’ was to countries where you could fly direct?🤔 That’s def not Greece ..... The 29 countries from which Greece will accept visitors as of June 15 are: China, Yeah, Nah! Agree, it has to be a direct flight which is of course, meaningless. If China wasnt on the list then Australia being there would be a good thing but that one kills off any celebration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christodan Posted June 1, 2020 #138 Share Posted June 1, 2020 "A direct flight in the aviation industry is any flight between two points by an airline with no change in flight numbers, which may include one or more stops at an intermediate point(s)." So yes flights to Greece are possible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader1111 Posted June 1, 2020 #139 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pushka said: Yeah, Nah! Agree, it has to be a direct flight which is of course, meaningless. If China wasnt on the list then Australia being there would be a good thing but that one kills off any celebration. It's not hard to figure out why China are on the list - you just need to look at the charts showing the number of infections. China's chart, just like Australia's, has flatlined. There is now virtually no risk of a Chinese citizen bringing CV-19 with them into the country, just as there is virtually no risk for Australians & Kiwis. Yes, the virus originated in China. Yes, the CCP has behaved disgracefully in the way they have spread propaganda, lied to the WHO and the rest of the world, bullied anyone & everyone who has pushed back against their evil regime's behaviour, and generally been evil arseholes. But those aren't the criteria countries like Greece are using when deciding who can & cannot enter their country. China was the epicentre of CV-19 in Jan-Feb, but since then they have virtually eliminated the disease. Similarly, Australia's numbers peaked in March-April, and (aside from Victoria) we've pretty much eliminated it too. At the end of the day, countries like Greece are making decisions based on the health risks posed to their citizens - and Chinese travellers currently pose very little risk. Edited June 1, 2020 by Vader1111 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rassa Posted June 1, 2020 #140 Share Posted June 1, 2020 18 minutes ago, Vader1111 said: China was the epicentre of CV-19 in Jan-Feb, but since then they have virtually eliminated the disease. . You must be one the few who believes what they say. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackduck59 Posted June 1, 2020 #141 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Gee Vader just a couple weeks ago Australia wasn't going to open up "For the foreseeable future" and cruises don't stand a chance until at least 2022 maybe longer. Now suddenly China will be great for tourism in Australia, do you have a trip planned to China and don't want to quarantine when you get home? Or have you planned a trip to Greece and don't want to quarantine when you get home because Greece has allowed tourists from zones not considered safe by Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Big_M Posted June 1, 2020 #142 Share Posted June 1, 2020 24 minutes ago, Blackduck59 said: Gee Vader just a couple weeks ago Australia wasn't going to open up "For the foreseeable future" and cruises don't stand a chance until at least 2022 maybe longer. Now suddenly China will be great for tourism in Australia, do you have a trip planned to China and don't want to quarantine when you get home? Or have you planned a trip to Greece and don't want to quarantine when you get home because Greece has allowed tourists from zones not considered safe by Australia. Even though I agree the Chinese figures are reasonable, the above reflects a stunning turnaround. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted June 1, 2020 #143 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Vader1111 said: It's not hard to figure out why China are on the list - you just need to look at the charts showing the number of infections. China's chart, just like Australia's, has flatlined. There is now virtually no risk of a Chinese citizen bringing CV-19 with them into the country, just as there is virtually no risk for Australians & Kiwis. Yes, the virus originated in China. Yes, the CCP has behaved disgracefully in the way they have spread propaganda, lied to the WHO and the rest of the world, bullied anyone & everyone who has pushed back against their evil regime's behaviour, and generally been evil arseholes. But those aren't the criteria countries like Greece are using when deciding who can & cannot enter their country. China was the epicentre of CV-19 in Jan-Feb, but since then they have virtually eliminated the disease. Similarly, Australia's numbers peaked in March-April, and (aside from Victoria) we've pretty much eliminated it too. At the end of the day, countries like Greece are making decisions based on the health risks posed to their citizens - and Chinese travellers currently pose very little risk. Sorry. I no longer believe a word that comes from CCP. They do not deserve my trust nor respect. There is nothing they do, even as recently as today, that lends it itself towards anything to do with integrity and honesty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader1111 Posted June 1, 2020 #144 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Rassa said: You must be one the few who believes what they say. I don't believe a damn thing the CCP says. I do, however, believe they're over it when western satellites are showing pollution levels consistent with China returning to normal industrial output. I don't believe that they had anything like 4000 deaths and 80,000 cases - if you add a couple of zeros to those figures you'd probably be getting closer to the truth. I do believe, based on all the evidence available, that they've squashed it flat - just like many other countries have now squashed it flat. 1 hour ago, Blackduck59 said: Gee Vader just a couple weeks ago Australia wasn't going to open up "For the foreseeable future" and cruises don't stand a chance until at least 2022 maybe longer. Now suddenly China will be great for tourism in Australia, do you have a trip planned to China and don't want to quarantine when you get home? Or have you planned a trip to Greece and don't want to quarantine when you get home because Greece has allowed tourists from zones not considered safe by Australia. That's an interesting spin on things, certainly not based on anything I wrote. What Greece are doing, and what Australia are doing, are two very different things. Greece have a list of countries whose citizens are currently allowed to enter Greece. The thing they all have in common is current low CV-19 infection rates. Australia has a list of countries which they are talking about allowing in - that list contains precisely one country, New Zealand. There's lots of reasons to hate on what China has done re: CV-19. Their current infection rates are not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vader1111 Posted June 1, 2020 #145 Share Posted June 1, 2020 33 minutes ago, Pushka said: Sorry. I no longer believe a word that comes from CCP. They do not deserve my trust nor respect. There is nothing they do, even as recently as today, that lends it itself towards anything to do with integrity and honesty. I agree. When it comes to the CCP's propaganda, the best advice is "distrust but verify". Western satellites are detecting pollution levels consistent with China's industrial engine getting back towards full capacity. Nothing the western intelligence agencies have said indicates any issue with China's current claims of having squashed the virus. I don't trust the CCP, but all evidence available suggests that they're not lying on this particular occasion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeanswers Posted June 1, 2020 #146 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Chinese tourists statistically are huge spenders when overseas so I can understand why Greece would put them on the list. In terms of risk I would say China is probably being honest about their numbers. Once the cat was out of the bag there was little point in lying and it was in their best interest to be honest as their experts were consulting with overseas experts so accurate data was imperative by that stage and in many ways still is to help them control any future outbreaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky55 Posted June 1, 2020 #147 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Interesting results re the miner who passed away at Blackwater Qld, with “Covid”: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-01/coronavirus-queensland-nathan-turner-no-covid-blackwater-autopsy/12307546 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docker123 Posted June 1, 2020 #148 Share Posted June 1, 2020 A business related bubble proposal for entry into Japan. https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20200601_26/amp.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porky55 Posted June 1, 2020 #149 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) An Asia/Pacific bubble sounds interesting too, perhaps limited to non communist countries 🤔 Edited June 1, 2020 by Porky55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pushka Posted June 1, 2020 #150 Share Posted June 1, 2020 5 hours ago, Porky55 said: Interesting results re the miner who passed away at Blackwater Qld, with “Covid”: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-01/coronavirus-queensland-nathan-turner-no-covid-blackwater-autopsy/12307546 Yes. That very much changes the scenario and it's unfortunate that the locals were put under stress and scrutiny. A random positive test in a remotish area didn't sound right given no other people ill in the area. I did mention days ago that a second test was negative. I'm not sure why the Health Dept was so adamant that the positive test was the correct one. Does make Health Depts insistence on border closures seem rather shaky too. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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