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Just completed Royal Caribbean’s one-hour Wall Street analyst briefing, including a lenthy Q&A period.  Overall, as a quick summary, there was a mix of BOTH optimism and cautious “vagueness” without providing any specific timings and future re-opening details.  

 

At the start, Royal Caribbean CEO Richard Fain noted this has been “a very intense period” as “all jobs and duties have changed and it has been done while working from home.”

 

They are clearly ready to “ramp up” and have been busy especially in dealing with various governments.  Fain indicated their company wants cruises to “be safer than a walk down Main Street.”  He especially highlighted recent vaccine progress as the big change since their last quarterly reporting.  Much of the early progress discussed as to what they have experienced with many Singapore examples from operating there since December.  There was mentioned that once cruising re-starts, an aspect will involve sailing to two of RCL’s private destinations.  

 

In cold numbers, their CFO noted a $1.1 billion loss for the quarter and a $3.9 billion loss for the full year.  From Barron’s, the specifics cited included a per share lost of: “$5.02 a share, in the fourth quarter on an adjusted basis versus a profit of $1.42 a share year earlier as revenue plunged to $34.1 million from $2.5 billion.”  

 

The CFO cited 2020 as their “toughest year” in history.  RCL has raised $9 billion plus in cash and cut back or delayed future capital spending.  Royal Caribbean has $4.4 billion in liquidity now with a $250-290 million a month “cash burn”.  
More financial specific can be seen at: 
https://www.barrons.com/articles/royal-caribbean-logs-another-huge-loss-as-sailing-timeline-remains-uncertain-51614010437

 

Bookings have been below historical levels. and they will not have a traditional wave booking period.  Currently, they have been limiting their marketing efforts and that 75% of their recent bookings have been new.  

 

There was no hiding or glossing over the reality that they have no idea when they will re-open and that it will be a varied process depending they area and rules where they will be operating.  They hinted that there might be a second ship to operate out of Singapore.  As to cruises cancelled, about half of those booked had wanted a cash refund.  RCL expects to have continued losses for upcoming quarter and for all of 2021.  

 

More details will follow in the next post.  Lots to share!!  Hope this is not too much info and background.  

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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Hi Terry, thanks so much for the information about the state of things from their meeting.

 

As others have already mentioned, your postings are always so detailed and appreciated👍

 

So in reality, he (Fain) really still has no answers as to when sailings will resume. 

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1 hour ago, Lois R said:

Hi Terry, thanks so much for the information about the state of things from their meeting.  As others have already mentioned, your postings are always so detailed and appreciated.  So in reality, he (Fain) really still has no answers as to when sailings will resume

 

Lois is 100% correct in her great summary question.  See below for more of the precise specifics as to why and how that key information need cannot provided now.  Another response to that questions would be "It depends."  Don't be shy with any added follow-up questions, speculations, reactions, comments, desired clarifications, etc.    

 

Now, we shift to the various questions asked of CEO Richard Fain, the RCL CFO, etc.  Many good, smart and probing inquiries by these industry/finance experts!!  First was a creative question seeking to know more about a re-start timing involving how they have set-up fuel hedges and Alaska potentials?  BUT, their CFO ducked (for legitimate reasons as the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) watches to make sure there is not too much stock price hype).  He avoided answering these pointed questions, but he freely admitted that they view this situation as “very fluid.”  Their CFO noted that “there is clear demand” and that these future bookings as this stage are “impressive.” Plus, he commented on a “lot of pent-up demand” and that for gaining more cash: “we have many options in the capital baskets.”

 

As to the future “cruise experience”, CEO Fain noted how vaccines have changed things, but that it will: "take months to get large numbers vaccinated and that we want to see how effective they are.”   Fain cited Israel’s example for their success and how the vaccines have worked “better than shown in the trials”.   Fair was strong in his viewpoint that “vaccine is the ultimate weapon.”.

 

The RCL CFO shared that the fleet has changed including having a more profitable mix of ships since they sold Azamara and two older ships.  They are liking their future new ships for their fuel economy, etc.  They noted that these new ships will improve their margins.

 

As to questions about summer cruises in Europe and mandating passengers to have vaccinations, there was expected vagueness, but they pointed to some type of a “hybrid between testing and vaccines.”  They expect the EU and UK to be somewhat similar to what CDC will require of the cruise lines.

 

From their Singapore sailings, RCL shared they have done 35,000 passengers there with high customer ratings.  Initially, they have sailed with at a 50% capacity.  They might go to a 65% capacity in the future.  There was mention that they have done more with technology during these Singapore sailings, including for lifeboat training, contact tracing, etc.  “Ground-breaking” is how they viewed what they have done/learned there and they noted the “landscape is changing”.

 

As to demographics with their future bookings, the fact that those 65+ have been getting vaccines has upped their deposits and schedulings.  They specifically cited Silversea has seeing an uplift as a part of this overall future booking trend.  There was an interesting mention that in the January-February 2021 period that bookings were up 30% compared to what happened during the November-December 2020 period.  Part of that was because late last year was such a “bad news” period with spiking Covid infections, deaths, etc.  Now, they RCL officials see much “more consumer confidence”.  As to timing from CDC on technical requirements, they expect them “any time soon”.  It was noted “we are literally waiting” and they think it will be happening soon.  It was shared that 250,000 have volunteered to do these test cruises.

 

They view it as “productive”  in dealing with the CDC.  Given that various indicators are moving in a positive manner, they concluded “we are getting closer and closer to good news.”   Given that there are "so many variables".  Fain cited these “dramatic drops" in the CDC indicators, but he was very careful to not predicted when it will happen.

 

As to the crew, they detailed doing a recent survey of 70,000 staff members around they world.  They received quick and solid response rates, including that 98% of the crew were in favor of doing the vaccine.  This includes that 4,000 staff members have already been vaccinated.

 

As to future debt capacity, they have $2 billion available now to tap and that their obligations due in 2021 total only $400 million.

 

As to where cruising might open up first in the coming months, they said they are having discussions around the world and that there will be many opportunities, including with sailings they are now doing out of Barbados.

 

The bottom line?:  There is solid optimism due to the current vaccine progress, but these RCL officials were very careful in not wanting to be predicting (or guessing) as to exactly when, where and how their many ships and brands will actually be able to re-open in some form closer to "normal".

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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Thanks for keeping us up to date Terry. It appears that RCL have enough 'cash' to make it through the rest of 2021 with minimal or no cruising, or maybe even to next spring (2022) if it takes that long to vaccinate most of the world. Even though we are vaccinated I cannot see us wanting to go anywhere that hasn't got to somewhere like 75-80% of their population protected.

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20 minutes ago, Silver Spectre said:

Thanks for keeping us up to date Terry. It appears that RCL have enough 'cash' to make it through the rest of 2021 with minimal or no cruising, or maybe even to next spring (2022) if it takes that long to vaccinate most of the world. Even though we are vaccinated I cannot see us wanting to go anywhere that hasn't got to somewhere like 75-80% of their population protected.

 

Rules out the EU then probably!

 

Apparently International travel is allowed to continue from the UK from 17 May ....... 5 days too late for my Venice 25th Aniversary cruise. That'll be 5 cruises cancelled since my last boarding.

 

Not sure how SS will be handling the cancellation this time round

 

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3 hours ago, Lois R said:

 

So in reality, he (Fain) really still has no answers as to when sailings will resume. 

To be fair, anyone who claims to be able to give a date for resumption is either a fool or a liar. Or both. 

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19 minutes ago, Tothesunset said:

To be fair, anyone who claims to be able to give a date for resumption is either a fool or a liar. Or both. 

Hi, I agree with you. My statement was just an observation.  Nobody knows as of Feb 22nd when any sailings will resume. It may be 3 or 4 more months before

we get any answers.........who knows.

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1 minute ago, Lois R said:

Hi, I agree with you. My statement was just an observation.  Nobody knows as of Feb 22nd when any sailings will resume. It may be 3 or 4 more months before

we get any answers.........who knows.

I fear there will be many false starts  before we get anywhere close to normal cruising. 

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4 hours ago, Silver Spectre said:

Thanks for keeping us up to date Terry. It appears that RCL have enough 'cash' to make it through the rest of 2021 with minimal or no cruising, or maybe even to next spring (2022) if it takes that long to vaccinate most of the world. Even though we are vaccinated I cannot see us wanting to go anywhere that hasn't got to somewhere like 75-80% of their population protected.

 

Appreciate ALL of these various  comments and follow-ups.  Very good insights from Silver Spectre, Les, Tothesunset and Lois.  Right now, too much is unknown and the Royal Caribbean officials were careful not to speculate beyond what is known with some certainty.

 

From the Miami Herald this afternoon in the headquarters heart of the cruise business, they had this headline: More people are booking Royal Caribbean cruises this year, even as they remain banned with these highlights: “Royal Caribbean Group is seeing an increase in bookings as the company nears the one-year mark without any cruises in the U.S., its biggest market.  Despite U.S. cruises being banned indefinitely, on Monday Royal Caribbean Group executives said the company has seen a 30% increase in future bookings since the start of the year compared to November and December.  The booking increase is a bright spot in an otherwise bleak business update. The second largest cruise company in the world reported a fourth straight 10-figure quarterly loss.  One of its ships, Quantum of the Seas, is operating with passengers in Singapore."

 

Here is how this newspaper reported on the biggest question:  "So when will U.S. cruises be up and running again? It’s too soon to say, according to executives.  'We are really in an interim period where the vaccines are still relatively new,' said Chairman Richard Fain. 'They’re coming out amazingly quickly, but it will take months to get huge numbers of people vaccinated. We and the CDC and governments around the world are looking at how that will change [cruising]. We don’t have answers yet.'  Now that the COVID-19 vaccine is in play, those protocols will have to be altered, said CEO of Royal Caribbean International Michael Bayley.  'As we continue to see infections decline and vaccinations increase, we’re going to move to some sort of protocol that is a hybrid of vaccine and testing,' he said.

 

Full story at:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article249427065.html

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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From the sister newspaper of the Fort Lauderdale publication this afternoon, they had this headline: “Royal Caribbean confident that CDC will allow cruises to resume soon with special focus on the details discussed about Royal Caribbean's opening success/process in Singapore since December 2020.

 

Here are some of the highlights from their writer in this story: “Royal Caribbean executives won’t predict a date for the company’s return to cruising from United States ports, but they say they’re confident it’s going to happen soon.  Tracking bracelets and facial recognition software being tested aboard the company’s Quantum of the Seas voyages from Singapore could be among safety measures passengers will find throughout the company’s fleet when operations resume.  In a conference call Monday with investors to discuss the company’s $3.9 billion net loss in 2020, executives said they’re heartened by data showing that infections are declining and vaccinations are increasing.  The trends 'are building confidence that we’re getting closer to the other side of this and people are beginning to realize that travel should be here sooner rather than later,' said Jason Liberty, chief financial officer of Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd.  Investors reacted favorably to the executives’ optimism, driving Royal Caribbean Group’s stock price up 9.51% to close at $86.37 on the New York Stock Exchange on Monday. Competitor Carnival Corp. benefitted as well. Its stock prices closed up 5.61%, to $25.97.  The increase in bookings point to a 'pent-up demand for vacations,' noted Richard Fain, chairman and CEO. 'People are clamoring for opportunities to have experiences outside their home.'  The CDC was especially interested in 'game-changing' contact tracing technology installed on Quantum of the Sea.  It involves requiring passengers to wear bracelets — or 'tracelets' — that let the company track passengers’ every movement aboard the ship. 'You can tell exactly how long they’ve been in contact with everyone else who wears a tracelet.'  Data from tracelets is verified by facial and body recognition software that analyzes footage from video cameras mounted throughout the ship.”

 

It is interesting to read how different reporters from various news sources covered this conference call this morning and which aspects where they gave the most attention. These details all sounds familiar and match my notes.  NOW, we need to see what happens next . . .AND WHEN??

 

Reaction, comments and questions?  

 

 Full story at:

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THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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Good morning Terry,  Soon? So they can't say how soon is soon.......4 weeks

 away? (I seriously doubt it)...........or 4 months away?.......those executives you are 

referring to? They probably were told by another boss what to say.........soon?

Soon soon? Or just not as far off as they are thinking.

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2 hours ago, Lois R said:

Good morning Terry,  Soon? So they can't say how soon is soon.......4 weeks

 away? (I seriously doubt it)...........or 4 months away?.......those executives you are 

referring to? They probably were told by another boss what to say.........soon?

Soon soon? Or just not as far off as they are thinking.


I think they really don’t know when and where they are going to start cruises again.   I take their “soon” to nothing more than a place holder because they don’t know but don’t want to say they don’t know.  You might see some more bubble cruises like those in the Asian market and those being planned for Italy this spring.    Personally my estimate is we’ll see the start of the return to general cruising this fall. 

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5 hours ago, Randyk47 said:

I think they really don’t know when and where they are going to start cruises again.   I take their “soon” to nothing more than a place holder because they don’t know but don’t want to say they don’t know.  You might see some more bubble cruises like those in the Asian market and those being planned for Italy this spring.    Personally my estimate is we’ll see the start of the return to general cruising this fall. 

 

Agree that the varied vagueness and multiple meanings for "SOON" would be the $64,000 Question to pick up a phrase from the title of a famed TV quiz show popular many decades back.  Lois and others are frustrated!!  Legitimately.  Randy hits on good points with solid, smart comments and his fall estimate.   

 

My key response?  It is going to be a "staged re-opening" spread over a lengthy period of time.  Different countries are going to have varied rules, requirements and regulations.  It will take many months for the cruise lines to "ramp up".  They cannot just "flip a switch" and be back in business as if nothing had happened during the past year.  Medical conditions will vary, depending on the country, vaccine uses there, etc.  If you are limited to only be doing ship excursion with tight rules and little flexibility, that will narrow the numbers of passengers willing to sail during the start-up periods.  As is happening in Singapore, their ship is only operating at a 50% capacity.  Many, many factors involved.  Or, said another way, it's "COMPLICATED"!! 

 

From the London/UK Guardian today, they had this headline: “Air New Zealand to trial Covid vaccine passport on Sydney flights" with this sub-headline: "Airline aims to ‘streamline health verification’ for travel as vaccinations begin.”

 

Here are the story highlights: “Air New Zealand will trial a digital vaccine passport in April on flights between Auckland and Sydney with Qantas investigating similar technology.  As vaccination begins in Australia, attention has turned to the potential resumption of international travel and how Australia could track whether potential visitors have been vaccinated.  Several tech companies have been working with the World Health Organization to develop a secure digital vaccination record system that could be used to prove to airlines and governments that passengers have had a Covid vaccine.  One such app, Travel Pass, developed by the International Air Transport Association, will be trialed by Air New Zealand from April to 'streamline the health verification process to help customers know what they need to take their next international trip safely'.”

 

Any reactions or comments on this story from those "down under" or in other parts of the world?

 

Full story at:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/23/air-new-zealand-to-trial-covid-vaccine-passport-on-sydney-flights

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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Hi Terry, I am not really frustrated.....I have sort of given up about trying to find out any true

information on when sailings will resume.  I always appreciate your postings though.  And I 

agree with Randy, they are just saying what they are saying because they just don't want to say

"We don't know when cruising will resume".

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My contributions to these discussions have been generally negative.

I would like to redress the balance a tad and say that the combination of vaccination and a quite mysterious "x factor,"  has the infection rate worldwide falling like a stone.

I am nowhere near ready to give my money to a cruise company , BUT opine that cruising and travel in general now seems likely to slowly ramp up as time passes.

There is a world of hurt out there and the Renaissance will be slow.. but at least I now believe it is happening.. Hallelujah !!!!

 

..the x factor??.. someone prophesied that the virus would fall as quickly as it arose, I assume thats where the ex potus got his info...😉

 

 

 

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On 2/22/2021 at 2:51 PM, les37b said:

Apparently International travel is allowed to continue from the UK from 17 May ...

Coincidentally, the Silver Cloud is scheduled to dock at Tower Bridge at 6:30 pm May 16, to disembark May 17.

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5 hours ago, tgh said:

My contributions to these discussions have been generally negative. I would like to redress the balance a tad and say that the combination of vaccination and a quite mysterious "x factor,"  has the infection rate worldwide falling like a stone...the x factor??.. someone prophesied that the virus would fall as quickly as it arose, I assume thats where the ex potus got his info...

 

Great comments and follow-ups.  There is something true per TGH about an "X-Factor"??!!  

 

Part of "it" is in the major news coming out this morning.  Royal Caribbean's stock is up nearly 7% at mid-morning to $96.15 per share.  Wall Street is seeing a re-opening getting closer.  

 

From the New York Times lead story this morning, they had this headline: “Johnson & Johnson Vaccine Protects Against Severe Illness and May Reduce Transmission, F.D.A. Analyses Find” with these highlights: “The one-shot coronavirus vaccine made by Johnson & Johnson provides strong protection against severe disease and death from Covid-19, and may reduce the spread of the virus by vaccinated people, according to new analyses posted online by the Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday.  The vaccine had a 72 percent overall efficacy rate in the United States and 64 percent in South Africa, where a highly contagious variant emerged in the fall and is now driving most cases. The efficacy in South Africa was seven points higher than earlier data released by the company.  The vaccine also showed 86 percent efficacy against severe forms of Covid-19 in the United States, and 82 percent against severe disease in South Africa. That means that a vaccinated person has a far lower risk of being hospitalized or dying from Covid-19.  The analyses confirmed that Americans are likely to benefit soon from a third effective coronavirus vaccine developed in under a year, as demand for inoculations greatly outstrips supply. The F.D.A. could authorize the vaccine as early as Saturday, depending on a vote of its vaccine advisory panel on Friday after it discusses the newly released documents.”

 

More good news!!  Added time is still needed for cruising to resume, but things are moving in a positive direction.  Light at the end of the tunnel is getting closer.

 

Full story at:

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/02/24/world/covid-19-coronavirus

 

THANKS!  Enjoy!  Terry in Ohio

 

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As to that magic, massive question of "TIMING", here below is more from a former EDA Commissioner and current top consultant to two of the three largest cruise companies, including Royal Caribbean.  

 

From this Salt Lake City newspaper this morning, they had this headline: Return to normal by April? It’s unlikely, former FDA chief says” with these highlights: “There are a lot of answers out there. But the optimistic answer — spring or summer 2021 — might be the right direction, Dr. Scott Gottlieb recently told CNBC.  Gottlieb, the former Food and Drug Administration chief, told CNBC he doesn’t think the U.S. could reach 'herd immunity' — where enough of the population is immune to a virus, allowing the population to return to normal — by April.  'I think if there’s going to be a normal time over the next 12 months, it’s likely to be this spring and summer,” he told CNBC.  Dr. Fauci says ‘help is on the way’ to end COVID-19, but don’t let up yet.  Some theories have suggested April might be when there’s enough immunity. Gottlieb disagreed with that timeline.  'I do think that as we get into the warm weather, as we vaccinate more of the population and in view of the fact that at least one-third of Americans have had this, I do think that infection levels are going to come down dramatically over the course of the spring and summer,' Gottlieb said.  Data from Johns Hopkins University shows that as of Monday the U.S. has seen a 29% decline in new COVID-19 cases since last week, according to CNN. That is the steepest drop in COVID-19 cases since the pandemic began in spring 2020, CNN reports.  Gottlieb’s comments about April come after Dr. Marty Makary, a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and Bloomberg School of Public Health, wrote for The Wall Street Journal over the weekend that the United States would reach herd immunity by April.”

 

Here is more from this news story: "Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the top infectious disease experts in the United States, told CNN over the weekend that a 'return to normal' wouldn’t likely happen until 2022.  Fauci told CNN it is “possible” Americans will need to wear masks in 2022 to protect themselves from COVID-19. He said the U.S. will hit 'a significant degree of normality' by the end of 2021."

 

Full story at:

https://www.deseret.com/2021/2/24/22296971/return-to-normal-april-summer-2021-gottlieb

 

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14 hours ago, tosteve1 said:

 

Very solid and excellent article with beneficial insights.  Well worth reading!!  As all of us are doing now, there was solid speculation/guessing as to the timings when we can see positive changes ahead. Not overly optimistic.  Seemed realistic!!   Great sharing by our North Carolina neighbor. 

 

Here, in my view, is the most important summary from this writer: "Life this spring will not be substantially different from the past year; summer could, miraculously, be close to normal; and next fall and winter could bring either continued improvement or a moderate backslide, followed by a near-certain return to something like pre-pandemic life."

 

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Central NHS just opened vaccine booking to everyone over 60 I have been assured, even though it says over 64. If you are in the UK and you put your NHS No and DoB you should be good!

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/?fbclid=IwAR0KKVDX1MJHihqx0_2FAEZnTh4zHeuZvMOGI1GR5X_gz-VODIqEXxVIAgc

 

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1 hour ago, worldtraveller99 said:

Central NHS just opened vaccine booking to everyone over 60 I have been assured, even though it says over 64. If you are in the UK and you put your NHS No and DoB you should be good!

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-vaccination/book-coronavirus-vaccination/?fbclid=IwAR0KKVDX1MJHihqx0_2FAEZnTh4zHeuZvMOGI1GR5X_gz-VODIqEXxVIAgc

 

Followed you link. OH was 64 last week! Ist and 2nd appts booked - one tomorrow, the next in May. 

 

I'm not 64 until October but put my details in anyway. Got the same appt times as OH. Have to travel 15 miles to Boston but that's nothing. 

 

Very grateful for your post. Thank you so much. 

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I feel like I am becoming this group,s resident pain in the ass, or better put, Its fire extinguisher putting any waves of optimism that are popping up.  Today I have two big issues.  The first concern variants. a word we are are going to be hearing until we are sick of it.  The first excerpted  from Dr. Charles Chiu, a virologist from the University of California, as quoted in the New York Times 2/24/21  " The variant first discovered in California in December is more contagious than earlier forms of corona virus  fueling concerns that emerging mutants like this one could hamper the sharp decline in overall cases..."  He goes on to say "I wish I had better news to give you- that this variant is not significant at all, ....(but) the variant may be better that others at evading the immune system and vaccine".  This compares to our friend the British variant, now officially B.1.1.7 where British studies are now showing that it is more transmissible than earlier variants.   The California variant B.1.427/B.1429 is doubling every 18 days.  Enough with the high lights.  I don't have data on the South African variant which is out there too. The point is the original COVID virus is spinning off new, more contagious and lethal, variants seemingly  every couple of weeks, that are entering the world wide system.   All this gibberish just means Sars-CoV-2. the original novel virus is producing new variants faster than I can type.  Each and of these variants have by now had their genomes sequenced and studied and  is indeed more contagious an lethal that its previous iteration.  

 

The second piece of bad news I have is from 2 days ago where RCL,. and another of the major cruise lines, announced that they are not going to start sailing until all of the crew has has been vaccinated.   From this follow the the inevitable question of just where and when are they going to get the vaccines.  In the United States, vaccines are traveling under armed guards, people are forging ID"s, brawls are breaking out in waiting lines.  There is not enough to go around right now.  So, taking them at their word RCL/SS goes no where until its crews are vaccinated.  And how is this going to happen?  The only thing I can think of is that they buy the vaccine on the open (black) market.  Hello Sputnik.  

 

I am not sorry for being satiric.  I am just trying to highlight the seemingly endless list of problems that needs to be solved before any of us are sipping champagne in our state rooms.  Yes, much progress is being made, but there is still a long long way to go, and it seems like everyday a new problems pops up.  Some of which are making the situation worse rather than better.  Sorry. Chris

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On 2/24/2021 at 1:00 PM, dawntrdr said:

Coincidentally, the Silver Cloud is scheduled to dock at Tower Bridge at 6:30 pm May 16, to disembark May 17.

 

You will have no idea how much I will stalk Silver Cloud as it sails up and down the Thames on this journey if it happens. I doubt it will as technically embarkation is effectively your international exit. We can hope. I'm not optimistic with the logistics of all the crew being vaccinated by then, so all wishful thinking. But the thoughts if could happen are awesome! 

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