What is the definition of "door slamming"?

[rolloman]

7 hours ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

Could work but experienced cruisers may unplug their phones, I only plug mine in to call for room service, then it gets pulled out slightly to disconnect.

Another big reason not to call someone harassingly is all the phone call data is collected and logged. Once the person being harassed files a complaint it only takes seconds to retrieve this data and the offender will be escorted off at the next port of call. 

[Amyracecar]

I don't recall every having any particularly bad offenders on ships we've sailed on, but i'm definitely aware of the wind tunnel effect on door slamming. Nearly yanked my arm off the first time it happened, never again! Certainly louder than just general door slamming, by some distance. 

 

I don't think it'd bother me particularly if it was just normal usage, but I can totally understand if you're near cabins with several passengers and they're coming and going all day, plus slamming the balcony door, it'd drive you crazy. 

As others have said, it only takes a few extra seconds to keep your hand on it and close it properly, so it's no real hardship just to be courteous. 

[Aplmac]

You'd think that... by now.. engineers / door-designers

would have figured out a buffer mechanism for heavy cabin-doors

so that this known, decades-long problem would be substantially reduced!
It cannot be that difficult!

 

If they can build computer memory into the cabin door lock

to identify the last 100 entries (by who, using what card)

then surely felt buffers against the door jam cannot be far away now!
You'd think...

 

 I recall my first cruise: an interior cabin on Deck 2, Carnival Destiny

hearing doors slam at 2 in the morning

and later trying to figure out if I was hearing crew slamming big freezer doors in the galley right behind my bulkhead...it wasn't that, at all.

It was simply inconsiderate fellow passengers next door!

 

 

[Homosassa]

Did you know that having the balcony door open and letting the door to the hallway slam can cause damage to the next door cabin because of the change in air pressure?

 

I learned this the hard way (I was in the next door cabin).

 

Our last cruise we were in a balcony cabin. The idiots next door left their balcony door open (even when not in the cabin).  SLAM!  SLAM! SLAM! SLAM!

 

This was after repeated statements in the daily paper and by staff that balcony doors were not to be left open. 

 

Came the day we had an apparent wind speed of 37 MPH that was hitting the starboard side of the ship at a 45 degree angle (we were port side).  (As per TV Navigation Channel)

 

The fools slammed the door into the hall. I watched our cabin wall next to their cabin bow inward.  I thought the mirrored panels on the wall were coming down.

 

They didn't, but the cabins on that wall had three doors that were knocked crooked and one shelf in a cabinet fell from its mounts.

 

I immediately went to Guest Services and reported the damage (I was hoping that they wouldn't assume that we, a couple in our seventies, had been indulging in wild monkey sex).

 

A crew member responsible for all cabinetry on board ship was at the cabin within ten minutes. He rehung the doors, remounted the shelf , and carefully inspected the other cabinets and the cabin wall. He also entered the cabin on the other side of the problem cabin to checked for damage.

 

Guest Services called after he made his report of the damage. The wall had damage but was not an immediately hazard. It would be fixed on turn around day. 

 

The balcony door next door was permanently locked for the remainder of the cruise (Head of Housekeeping and Head of Security visited the cabin next door to speak to the occupants and lock the door).

 

The damage to our cabin was caused by the rapid change in air pressure in the cabin next door . In addition to the normal problem of the  higher air pressure in the cabin compared to the hall that causes the problem when the balcony door is left open even in  calm conditions, the problem was exacerbated by the high wind condition and the fact that the wind was hitting  and moving along the opposite side of the ship, thus lowering the air pressure on the outside of our side of the ship (physics - think air moving over and under an airplane wing).

 

The explosive change in pressure was transmitted through the walls.

 

 

[Aplmac]

3 minutes ago, Homosassa said:

The balcony door next door

was permanently locked for the remainder of the cruise

(Head of Housekeeping and Head of Security visited the cabin next door to speak to the occupants and lock the door).

 

That's ^ the bit I really like!

 

But it's amazing how Push has to come to SHOVE!

before anything gets done............

[Homosassa]

20 minutes ago, Aplmac said:

 

That's ^ the bit I really like!

 

But it's amazing how Push has to come to SHOVE!

before anything gets done............

It might have been because there was damage to our cabin wall that needed to be repaired on turn around day (no idea of damage to their cabin or the one on the other side of them).

 

Locking their balcony was probably a preemptive measure to avoid addition  damage by more  SLAMS.

[ObstructedView2]

21 hours ago, ColeThornton said:

 

If you let the door close on it's own and it makes a loud noise then next time close it slowly by yourself to be considerate.  Simple.

 

 

 

⬆️⬆️ Yes! Yes! Yes! Definitely This!! ⬆️⬆️

 

 

16 hours ago, JandPB said:

 

If you don’t know what door slamming is, you most likely are someone being complained about. 

 

 

 

⬆️⬆️ Pobably same people that enter an elevator before allowing others to exit first ⬆️⬆️

 

 

#ManyPeopleAreSimplyOblivious

 

😒

[chengkp75]

3 hours ago, Aplmac said:

You'd think that... by now.. engineers / door-designers

would have figured out a buffer mechanism for heavy cabin-doors

so that this known, decades-long problem would be substantially reduced!
It cannot be that difficult!

Why are cabin doors heavy?  Because they present an A-60 fire rating, meaning if I set a bonfire outside your cabin door, it would take 60 minutes before the paint on your cabin side of the door would catch fire.  Why don't they install "buffers" on these doors (and they make them already)?  Because they are fire doors, and you don't want anything to slow down the closure of a fire door, or that could fail and cause the door to not close completely, and break that 60 minute fire rating in your little safe haven of a cabin, while you wait for the fire teams to rescue you.  Further, you don't want anything in the door jamb other than the fire rated gasket material, which would again break the fire rating.

[klfrodo]

14 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

Why are cabin doors heavy?  Because they present an A-60 fire rating, meaning if I set a bonfire outside your cabin door, it would take 60 minutes before the paint on your cabin side of the door would catch fire.  Why don't they install "buffers" on these doors (and they make them already)?  Because they are fire doors, and you don't want anything to slow down the closure of a fire door, or that could fail and cause the door to not close completely, and break that 60 minute fire rating in your little safe haven of a cabin, while you wait for the fire teams to rescue you.  Further, you don't want anything in the door jamb other than the fire rated gasket material, which would again break the fire rating.

Go get um Chief!! 🤣

[Homosassa]

As usual, Chengkp75 sets things straight.

 

By the way, he helped me understand why the particular door slam that damaged my cabin was so forceful.

 

I never thought (had forgotten) about the effect of the wind moving along one side of the ship and lowering the air pressure along the other side.

[MPH711]

On 5/10/2022 at 12:53 PM, Tenderpaw said:

I confess, i often just let the cabin door close on its own.  From what I have observed,  it is pretty common. 

 

So, am I a slammer?

Yes, most definitely. 

[Guest BasicSailor]

4 hours ago, Homosassa said:

 

 

I immediately went to Guest Services and reported the damage (I was hoping that they wouldn't assume that we, a couple in our seventies, had been indulging in wild monkey sex).

 

 

[Top_of_the_Cube]

1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

Why are cabin doors heavy?  Because they present an A-60 fire rating, meaning if I set a bonfire outside your cabin door, it would take 60 minutes before the paint on your cabin side of the door would catch fire.  Why don't they install "buffers" on these doors (and they make them already)?  Because they are fire doors, and you don't want anything to slow down the closure of a fire door, or that could fail and cause the door to not close completely, and break that 60 minute fire rating in your little safe haven of a cabin, while you wait for the fire teams to rescue you.  Further, you don't want anything in the door jamb other than the fire rated gasket material, which would again break the fire rating.

 

Just curious, from a guy who doesn't mind exposing his ignorance for all to mock, is there some material that can be used to cover the part of the door frame which contacts the door, that won't compromise the fire rating, but would mitigate or absorb at least some of the noise on impact?  And, obviously, that wouldn't slow the closing of the door or affect its ability to close completely?  I guess we can count out asbestos.

 

I suppose the gap between the bottom of the door and the carpet is taken into account in the fire rating?  I don't know.  Again, ignorant but wanting to learn something new.

 

Seems that on cruise ships this is a common complaint, and heading it off could help take some load off of Guest Services and Security.  And, increase passengers' overall positive cruise experience.

[MrMarc]

I was on Panorama and I had to slam the balcony door to get it to latch properly, after it was repaired because it would not latch at all.  I heard my neighbors complaining each time I did it, and in fact did not go out on my balcony as much because of it.  If I didn't slam it, it would whistle when the wind was blowing.  So sorry to those around me, I didn't have a choice.

[Aplmac]

2 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

Why are cabin doors heavy? 

Because they present an A-60 fire rating, meaning

if I set a bonfire outside your cabin door, it would take 60 minutes before the paint on your cabin side of the door would catch fire. 

 

Many thanks for your explanation! Now we know!

Most ppl have no idea that their cabin door is also a firewall!

Wow!

[chengkp75]

1 hour ago, Top_of_the_Cube said:

 

Just curious, from a guy who doesn't mind exposing his ignorance for all to mock, is there some material that can be used to cover the part of the door frame which contacts the door, that won't compromise the fire rating, but would mitigate or absorb at least some of the noise on impact?  And, obviously, that wouldn't slow the closing of the door or affect its ability to close completely?  I guess we can count out asbestos.

 

I suppose the gap between the bottom of the door and the carpet is taken into account in the fire rating?  I don't know.  Again, ignorant but wanting to learn something new.

 

Seems that on cruise ships this is a common complaint, and heading it off could help take some load off of Guest Services and Security.  And, increase passengers' overall positive cruise experience.

Not really.  You don't want anything that would compress too much (the glass fiber fire gasket is slightly compressible) or the door would not fit snugly against the jamb, again degrading the fire rating.  As an example, a hotel room door is only rated as a 20 minute fire rating, so 1/3 as good as a cruise ship cabin door.  If you've ever been around when the crew does their fire drills, they will exercise the fire doors in the passageways, and those really slam shut, and there have been injuries to crew members who try to slow them down.

 

The gap at the bottom of the door is taken care of by the slight overpressure that exists in the cabins, compared to the passageway, so air flows out of the cabin, keeping smoke and heat out.  This is done by supplying slightly more air than the bathroom exhaust takes away, and is why leaving a balcony door open affects the AC in an entire batch of cabins (leaving the balcony door open removes the overpressure, and the AC sends more air to that cabin to rebuild the overpressure, to the detriment of the other cabins in the zone.

[chengkp75]

47 minutes ago, Aplmac said:

 

Many thanks for your explanation! Now we know!

Most ppl have no idea that their cabin door is also a firewall!

Wow!

While between cabins there is really no fire rating, the entire wall on each side of the passageway is rated as an A-60 fire bulkhead, as well as wherever those pesky doors in the passageway are, which are separating vertical fire zones.  Wherever pipes, ducts, or wiring penetrates these bulkheads, each penetration must be packed with an A-60 fire rated packing (sort of like a mortar).

[Bgcruising]

On 5/10/2022 at 1:00 PM, Eli_6 said:

I am guessing they are referring to letting the door close as many hotel and cruise rooms have heavier than normal doors that do make a noise when they close.  I don't think door slamming is a big deal unless it is in the middle of the night.

In other words when YOU are asleep?

[IrritatedEllipses]

My rule of thumb is to keep it under 90dBs and I expect others to do so as well.

 

Our last cruise had a couple of 94dBers and I would have spoken up, but I wasn't sure of the battery level on my decibel meter so I erred on the side of a false positive and didn't mention it to the steward. 

[Matco]

9 minutes ago, IrritatedEllipses said:

My rule of thumb is to keep it under 90dBs and I expect others to do so as well.

 

Our last cruise had a couple of 94dBers and I would have spoken up, but I wasn't sure of the battery level on my decibel meter so I erred on the side of a false positive and didn't mention it to the steward. 

Cause everyone is crazy enough to carry around a decibel meter and worry about the sound levels of random stuff.... Seriously do you not have anything else better to do? Just carry on about YOUR OWN business and enjoy your vacation, you will find it more enjoyable.

[Joebucks]

To answer the OP, door slammers are people who make a point to slam their door with all of their might, sprint down the hallway, run back to the room, and repeat the cycle for hours. Or perhaps, being surrounded by dozens of rooms around, below, and above you, you might hear one, especially with the balcony vacuum.

 

As usual, the internet has a minor inconvenience and knows better than designers who have spent their life on safety and regulation. Cheng sets it straight with the why. 

 

50 minutes ago, Matco said:

Cause everyone is crazy enough to carry around a decibel meter and worry about the sound levels of random stuff.... Seriously do you not have anything else better to do? Just carry on about YOUR OWN business and enjoy your vacation, you will find it more enjoyable.

 

Don't you keep one in your over-the-door-organizer? 

[IrritatedEllipses]

1 minute ago, Joebucks said:

Don't you keep one in your over-the-door-organizer? 

 

Right? I can't imagine not carrying one. I keep mine nestled right between my portable breathalyzer and a current issue of Vogue I can use to determine dressiness of Formal Night dinner partners. 

 

I swear, some people would forget their towel if it wasn't secured to their deck chair by 6:25am.

[Matco]

7 minutes ago, Joebucks said:

Don't you keep one in your over-the-door-organizer? 

Now that you mention it I think I do... Right next to my AA and WW cards 

Edited May 12, 2022 by Matco

[EngIceDave]

Door slammers are in the same species as casino "Button slammers"

 

The ones who insist on slapping the slot machine button like the keyboardist in Gary Numan's "Cars" video

 

But yeah, no need for slamming the door. If wind catches it once in a while, ok, but every time? 

Don't be a lazy slob, shut the door properly

[1kaper]

Door slamming is a pet peeve of mine. It is actually something I look for in a hotel - can I hear people in the hallway and the doors closing?  If I can, I will not book there again. 
 

I didn’t have any issue on my last two cruises. But I did stay at a hotel the night before my cruise. There was also a group staying there for a hockey tournament. I knew I was in trouble when I walked to my room and saw all the doors propped open with the security latch (knowing that they were leaving their rooms open for others to come and go).
Not only did the doors slam, they slammed on the metal security latch which was even louder. All evening. 
I could also hear conversations in the next room clearly. Likely partially due to the open door and probably poor construction in general. I will not be staying there again.  
 

luckily I was really tired and was still

able to get to sleep. 

Edited May 12, 2022 by 1kaper