Casino: Celebrity must be really hurting for $ if they're ripping off players this badly in Video Poker

[fstuff1]

(Single line)

It's the same paytable not matter .25 all the way to $5 denomination.

 

for Jacks for Better, it's a dismal 91.1% return (8.9% casino profit). 😮

For Deuces Wild, it's at 91.4% return (8.6% casino profit)! 😮

That's really horrible for VP.

 

I've only seen these paytables in casinos located in some 3rd world countries.

You know it's bad when betting a number on Roulette is better! (94.3% return or 5.7% casino profit)

 

Now on multi-line VP, JoB is slightly better with 6/5 paytable which is 95% return and DW is 96% return.

It is still garbage compared to NCL. (At $5 denom, you can get 99% return.)

 

Edited May 10, 2022 by fstuff1

[cruisestitch]

Celebrity doesn’t own the casino, AFAIK

[fstuff1]

1 minute ago, cruisestitch said:

Celebrity doesn’t own the casino, AFAIK

it doesnt matter.

they are allowing their sub-contractor to fleece their passengers

Edited May 10, 2022 by fstuff1

[Covepointcruiser]

It’s the passengers choice to gamble or not based on the odds.     Many of us don’t spend a dollar in the ships or any casino.

[Mark_K]

15 minutes ago, fstuff1 said:

(Single line)

It's the same paytable not matter .25 all the way to $5 denomination.

 

for Jacks for Better, it's 93% return (7% casino profit).

For Deuces Wild, it's even worse at 91.4% return (8.6% casino profit)! 😮

That's really horrible for VP.

 

You know it's bad when betting a number on Roulette is better! (94.3% return or 5.7% casino profit)

 

Now on multi-line VP, JoB is slightly better with 6/5 paytable which is 95% return and DW is 96% return.

It is still garbage compared to NCL. (At $5 denom, you can get 99% return.)

 

The NCL casino may be better, but at least Celebrity doesn’t charge me $19.80 a day for “free” drinks.

Edited May 10, 2022 by Mark_K

[fstuff1]

7 minutes ago, Covepointcruiser said:

It’s the passengers choice to gamble or not based on the odds.     Many of us don’t spend a dollar in the ships or any casino.

 

that is true.

but i cant believe an upper class cruise line like Celebrity is using these rip off paytables.

 

I would expect it from cheaply viewed bottom barrel cruise lines like Margaretville cruises. (if they have a casino.)

Edited May 10, 2022 by fstuff1

[NutsAboutGolf]

There was a time 6:5 blackjack, triple zero roulette or even double zero roulette didn't exist...

[fstuff1]

2 minutes ago, Mark_K said:

The NCL casino may be better, but at least Celebrity doesn’t charge me $19.80 a day for “free” drinks.

 

How much are you being charged for Always Included? (ie: drinks and $16/day cabin tips included)

[WestLakeGirl]

Let’s look at it from another perspective. You must have money to burn if you gamble on video poker odds which you know are not good 🤪

[fstuff1]

7 minutes ago, Mark_K said:

The NCL casino may be better, but at least Celebrity doesn’t charge me $19.80 a day for “free” drinks.

btw- good ninja edit.

email showed me what you wrote originally 😉

[SHIP TRAVELER]

I agree 100% with the OP.  I consider the casino part of my on board entertainment.

On our last Princes cruise there was three line 7/5 Bonus Poker for 10 cents.  It was so fun to play and we broke about even.  On our last X cruise, it actually felt like there were bad chips in the Video poker machines.  I know they are not regulated but really no winners, in 14 days the two of us playing here and there every day, we only had five four of a kinds.  No one was playing the long line of video poker machines.  If video pokers rates are bad, the slots are always worse in same casino in my experience.
 

[dkjretired]

Highest level at Caesars, 7 Stars , so I play the casino although not poker, mostly slots. I rarely play slots if ever on Celebrity ships because they are a black hole. Perhaps if many don’t play it will change, sort of supply and demand.

[Bo1953]

2 hours ago, fstuff1 said:

it doesnt matter.

they are allowing their sub-contractor to fleece their passengers

Actually, it is the passengers who permit themselves to be fleeced, especially if identified and they continue to play, do you not think?

 

Since better odds were identified on another game of chance, that is the place to play.... unless one enjoys being fleeced.

 

Good luck and bon voyage

 

bon voyage

[Bo1953]

1 hour ago, fstuff1 said:

 

that is true.

but i cant believe an upper class cruise line like Celebrity is using these rip off paytables.

 

I would expect it from cheaply viewed bottom barrel cruise lines like Margaretville cruises. (if they have a casino.)

I think the odds are in many of our favour as we generally do not gamble all that often and the return odds are of no consequence.

 

Yet, methinks that you may want to write a guide to casino games on various ships... at $2 a download, I think the odds of making some money, are very good...

 

bon voyage

[Bo1953]

I must say, this post will spur me to drop a few shekels in the machines during our sailing in a few weeks....

 

Maybe I will be a winner and pay for a good portion of the sailing??? LOL

 

I think not, yet if I do, I will report back and let everyone know...

 

bon voyage

[Janthere]

Agreed the VP paytables are horrible as is the choice of games.  I am not sure if it has always been this way on Celebrity?  As someone who would spend a fair amount of time and money in the casino normally, it's just not very fun when you feel ripped off and have so small a chance of winning. I feel like the casino would be way busier with decent pay tables but that's just wishful thinking.

[mahdnc]

1 hour ago, dkjretired said:

Highest level at Caesars, 7 Stars , so I play the casino although not poker, mostly slots.

 

Still playing with house money I hope. 

[Nursecruisers couple]

Is there a craps table?  We love playing

[fstuff1]

5 hours ago, Bo1953 said:

Actually, it is the passengers who permit themselves to be fleeced, especially if identified and they continue to play, do you not think?

 

i think a lot of people don't know the return.

 

[fstuff1]

5 hours ago, janbear said:

Agreed the VP paytables are horrible as is the choice of games.  I am not sure if it has always been this way on Celebrity? 

As someone who would spend a fair amount of time and money in the casino normally, it's just not very fun when you feel ripped off and have so small a chance of winning. I feel like the casino would be way busier with decent pay tables but that's just wishful thinking.

 

no idea about the horrible paytables on single line but multiline, it's been that way (~96% return) since i've been cruising with Celebrity in 2019.

Edited May 11, 2022 by fstuff1

[fstuff1]

2 hours ago, Nursecruisers couple said:

Is there a craps table?  We love playing

 

all ships have a craps table.

now the question is do they have the dealers to man that table?

 

post-restart, there have been reports on some ships that the craps table has been closed all cruise long because they dont have qualified craps dealers. (vacation, quarantined because close contact covid, etc)

 

also post-restart, they lowered the odds.

it used to be $10min 3/4/5x odds.

now it's 2x odds unless you bet $25 passline/don't pass to get 3/4/5x odds. 😞

Edited May 11, 2022 by fstuff1

[mfs2k]

It’s well known the payout percentages on cruise ship slots are worse than land based casinos. No surprise the same is true on Video poker. There’s no casino control commission in the middle of an ocean. 
 

[WonderMan3]

Don’t like the odds then don’t play or find a cruise line that offers odds that meet your criteria. I go in to my cruise casino play (slots) knowing that they are on average tighter than at a land-based casino and manage my play accordingly.

[Bo1953]

4 hours ago, fstuff1 said:

 

i think a lot of people don't know the return.

 

Quite true, including myself.

 

As such, I would only play as much as usual and not worry about it, unless I won big!

 

My limit is $100 in total, per sailing.

 

For serious players and those in the club for them with reduced and no-charge sailings, it is quite different and I understand that...

 

bon voyage

[The_Big_M]

The funny thing is a number of the returns above are better than normal.

 

However, the only reason it then goes so bad is that the 2 pair payout has been halved from its normal payout of 2-10 to 1-5. Of course 2 pair is one of the most common paying outcomes, so that halving is a big hit, of 12%.

Edited May 11, 2022 by The_Big_M