hazeleyes46 Posted August 10, 2022 #276 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, seasidemama said: Update - Testing still required but some ports accept unvaccinated. https://www.royalcaribbean.com/the-healthy-sail-center?icid=hlthys_wrnssn_hlt_nbrdxp_pghdr_3467 Don't think this is the one they told cruisers leaving after 8/15 to look for as this doesn't start until September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted August 10, 2022 #277 Share Posted August 10, 2022 6 minutes ago, hazeleyes46 said: Don't think this is the one they told cruisers leaving after 8/15 to look for as this doesn't start until September. This is it, nothing else will be changing for the rest of August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defreeze Posted August 10, 2022 #278 Share Posted August 10, 2022 1 hour ago, seasidemama said: Please show me where it says I can use a certificate of recovery if I'm vaccinated in lieu of a test (which I can). https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/if-recovered-from-covid-19-need-to-be-vaccinated-or-take-a-test-to-sail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ret MP Posted August 11, 2022 #279 Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 hour ago, seasidemama said: Please show me where it says I can use a certificate of recovery if I'm vaccinated in lieu of a test (which I can). I am happy to show you anything that exists on Royal's site or NCL's site. But, I don't know what that has to do with my post/response! But, your wish is my command except that it doesn't say what you want it to say, it says what their policy is today: https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/do-i-need-a-covid-vaccine-to-cruise-what-counts-as-proof FOR CRUISES DEPARTING FROM NORTH AMERICA If your cruise departs on or after September 5, 2022, and sails from California, Louisiana, or Texas, please see the next section for your vaccination protocols. All Royal Caribbean guests age 12 and older must present proof of full COVID-19 vaccination with the final dose of their vaccine administered at least 14 days before sailing. Kids age 11 or younger who have been vaccinated may present proof of full vaccination and follow the protocols for vaccinated guests. While we do not require kids 11 or younger than to be vaccinated, many are and it is possible some destinations will begin to require guests age 5 and older to be vaccinated. We will notify booked guests as this guidance evolves. Each guest’s regimen must include at least two doses of vaccine unless the guest received the single dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine. This is per U.S. CDC guidance, and no exceptions will be made, even if the guest's resident country has authorized a single-shot regimen for a two dose vaccine. We strongly recommend that fully vaccinated guests receive a booster dose when they become eligible to do so, though it is currently not required to be considered fully vaccinated. It is highly likely many destinations will soon begin to require booster doses for all eligible guests to be considered fully vaccinated. We will notify booked guests as this guidance evolves. Royal Caribbean will not accept a Certificate of Recovery in lieu of vaccination for guests of vaccine eligible age. For guests on cruises that visit Bermuda, note that the local government does not recognize Novovax or Covaxin as approved vaccines — guests whose vaccination series consists of either will not be permitted to go ashore. For additional details, visit our FAQ on Cruises to Bermuda. For guests departing from Florida homeports, this vaccine requirement is the policy of several international governments for a cruise ship to enter their waters. We remain in contact with local governments in the ports we visit and will update the policy if advised. Guests under age 12 who are not vaccinated will complete additional COVID-19 testing requirements depending on the length and departure port of their sailing. Regardless. A simple chart like NCL has would be much more clear and useful with a link to more comprehensive details as in the link you attached for those that want a more comprehensive explanation behind their reasoning. Oh, you mean I have to click on and go to another page on NCL's charts? Hummmmmmm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ret MP Posted August 11, 2022 #280 Share Posted August 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, Ret MP said: also: https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/if-recovered-from-covid-19-need-to-be-vaccinated-or-take-a-test-to-sail For Cruises Departing U.S. Homeports, Puerto Rico and Canada A Certificate of Recovery will not be accepted in lieu of a vaccination record card for guests of vaccine eligible age. All Royal Caribbean guests age 12 and older must present proof of full COVID-19 vaccination with the final dose of their vaccine administered at least 14 days before sailing. A Certificate of Recovery, for a positive COVID-19 case at least 11 days before boarding but no more than 90 days ago, may be provided in lieu of a pre-cruise COVID-19 test result to board the ship if it meets certain requirements. However, certain ports (listed below) will not permit guests to go ashore using a Certificate of Recovery in lieu of a test result. The following two documents must be presented: A certified medical health certificate from a doctor stating that you have fully recovered from COVID-19. It must meet the following requirements: Official letterhead from a healthcare provider, public health official or telehealth provider showing: Their name Their address Their phone number Confirmation of your recovery and completion of isolation Must be typed (not handwritten) and signed by the provider Must confirm the sample collection date of the positive PCR test, which must be a minimum of 11 days and a maximum of 90 days before the departure date of your cruise A positive result document for a COVID-19 PCR test taken a minimum of 11 days and a maximum of 90 days before the departure date of your cruise. An antigen test result will not be accepted with a Certificate of Recovery. The test results document from your test provider must include the name of the lab that processed the test, the lab’s CLIA Lab Number or Certification Number, the address of the lab, your name, the date the test was taken, type of test, and your positive result. This can be a printed document, email, or telehealth app notification. Fully handwritten doctor’s notes (such as those written on a prescription pad) will not be accepted. Minimal handwritten components (such as a check mark on a “positive” box) are acceptable as long as the other required information is printed on the document. NOTE: Though Royal Caribbean will accept documentation meeting these requirements to board, many countries are not currently accepting Certificates of Recovery. In these ports, guests who provided certificates would not be allowed to debark. The following require a Certificate of Recovery to be presented with a negative test result, in order to go ashore: St. Kitts Panama Panama Canal St. Lucia Guatemala Colombia Trinidad & Tobago St. Vincent the Grenadines Haiti Cayman Islands Bermuda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seasidemama Posted August 11, 2022 #281 Share Posted August 11, 2022 36 minutes ago, Ret MP said: also: https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/if-recovered-from-covid-19-need-to-be-vaccinated-or-take-a-test-to-sail For Cruises Departing U.S. Homeports, Puerto Rico and Canada A Certificate of Recovery will not be accepted in lieu of a vaccination record card for guests of vaccine eligible age. All Royal Caribbean guests age 12 and older must present proof of full COVID-19 vaccination with the final dose of their vaccine administered at least 14 days before sailing. A Certificate of Recovery, for a positive COVID-19 case at least 11 days before boarding but no more than 90 days ago, may be provided in lieu of a pre-cruise COVID-19 test result to board the ship if it meets certain requirements. However, certain ports (listed below) will not permit guests to go ashore using a Certificate of Recovery in lieu of a test result. The following two documents must be presented: Right. On a SEPARATE PAGE that is NOT even linked on any of the other dozens of pages. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare xpcdoojk Posted August 11, 2022 #282 Share Posted August 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Ret MP said: If anything, the following provides much more information at a reading level that just about everybody should be able to understand: https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/do-i-need-a-covid-vaccine-to-cruise-what-counts-as-proof Vaccination requirements vary by port of departure and by age group. Below are the current published requirements for select ports. We are continually adding, monitoring and adjusting information on vaccination requirements as public health conditions evolve. Booked guests will be advised of the latest requirements for their port of departure before sailing. Read more about what vaccines are accepted and what documents are accepted as proof of vaccination. FOR CRUISES DEPARTING FROM NORTH AMERICA (U.S., PUERTO RICO, CANADA) All Royal Caribbean guests age 12 and older must present proof of full COVID-19 vaccination with the final dose of their vaccine administered at least 14 days before sailing. Kids age 11 or younger who have been vaccinated may present proof of full vaccination and follow the protocols for vaccinated guests. While we do not require kids 11 or younger than to be vaccinated, many are and it is highly likely destinations will begin to require guests age 5 and older to be vaccinated. We will notify booked guests as this guidance evolves. Each guest’s regimen must include at least two doses of vaccine unless the guest received the single dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine. This is per U.S. CDC guidance, and no exceptions will be made, even if the guest's resident country has authorized a single-shot regimen for a two dose vaccine. We strongly recommend that fully vaccinated guests receive a booster dose when they become eligible to do so, though it is currently not required to be considered fully vaccinated. It is highly likely many destinations will soon begin to require booster doses for all eligible guests to be considered fully vaccinated. We will notify booked guests as this guidance evolves. Royal Caribbean will not accept a Certificate of Recovery in lieu of vaccination for guests of vaccine eligible age. For guests on cruises that visit Bermuda, note that the local government does not recognize Novovax or Covaxin as approved vaccines — guests whose vaccination series consists of either will not be permitted to go ashore. For additional details, visit our FAQ on Cruises to Bermuda. For guests departing from Florida homeports, this vaccine requirement is the policy of several international governments for a cruise ship to enter their waters. We remain in contact with local governments in the ports we visit and will update the policy if advised. Guests under age 12 who are not vaccinated will complete additional COVID-19 testing requirements depending on the length and departure port of their sailing. Kids Who Are Turning 12 What if my child is turning 12 years old right before our cruise, or during our cruise, and cannot get vaccinated in time? Any guest that is age 12 or older on boarding day must be fully vaccinated to sail. If your child’s 12th birthday is too close to boarding day to get fully vaccinated, we can move your cruise date to give you more time, or we can cancel your reservation for a full refund. Unfortunately, we cannot make any exceptions, as our port agreements expect that every vaccine-eligible guest onboard is fully vaccinated. If your child is 11 and turns 12 on Day 2 of the cruise or later, you’re in luck. Your 11 year old will be allowed to board the ship on embarkation day as long as they complete all COVID-19 testing requirements for unvaccinated children. https://www.royalcaribbean.com/faq/questions/will-i-have-to-take-a-test-before-i-cruise REQUIRED TESTING FOR GUESTS SAILING FROM U.S. HOMEPORTS For All Sailings from U.S. Homeports with no Stops in Bermuda or Canada If your cruise visits Bermuda or Canada, test protocols for your cruise are in the next section. Guests 2 to 11 years of age who are not fully vaccinated must bring a negative test result for a COVID-19 antigen or PCR test taken within the 3 days before boarding day, regardless of the duration of their cruise. These guests will no longer be required to take a second test at the terminal. Fully vaccinated guests must bring a negative test result for a COVID-19 antigen or PCR test taken within the 3 days before boarding day on sailings that are 6 nights or longer only. Testing is not required for fully vaccinated guests on shorter itineraries. Required testing for all guests, regardless of vaccination status, must be completed using a PCR or antigen test that is supervised by a healthcare professional or a home test kit that is conducted under live video supervision. Tests must be arranged on your own and are at your own expense. I really appreciate your valiant fighting to prove a point. It is inspiring. Almost nobody is reading your long cut and pastes, please consider stopping it. The internet is available with a little direction. People can read source materials. I am only sharing because I am tired of having to skim past your C&P. your friend jc😇 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defreeze Posted August 11, 2022 #283 Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) I’ve enjoyed the bickering, but after reading everything you guys have written, I have to strongly agree with seasidemama on the Certificate of Recovery issue. It is not easy to find on the RCCL website. I stumbled upon it using a google search. But it should be right on the page about testing, not just buried in an FAQ section. Edited August 11, 2022 by defreeze 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare little britain Posted August 11, 2022 #284 Share Posted August 11, 2022 I would be happier to keep the vaccine requirement, drop the pre cruise testing; and stop the crew having to wear masks. I’m not thrilled that unvaccinated will now be allowed on board. jmho. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyCruiserUK Posted August 11, 2022 #285 Share Posted August 11, 2022 Testing needs to go. Its getting harder and harder to find testing locations esp here in uk. My sister was chatting to lloyds pharmacy and they said " we will be stopping the travel testing as cruise lines are scrapping testing" she had to rebook for boots pharmacy at the last minute. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trixie21 Posted August 11, 2022 #286 Share Posted August 11, 2022 I would imagine the next update will ease the testing rules for longer cruises. That would be the next logical step. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud_nine Posted August 11, 2022 #287 Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 hours ago, FamilyCruiserUK said: Testing needs to go. Its getting harder and harder to find testing locations esp here in uk. My sister was chatting to lloyds pharmacy and they said " we will be stopping the travel testing as cruise lines are scrapping testing" she had to rebook for boots pharmacy at the last minute. Agree, none of the Lloyd's Pharmacies here have any available spaces for supervised testing. Fortunately we have a DAM Health here, but who knows how long that will be open for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelblu Posted August 11, 2022 #288 Share Posted August 11, 2022 11 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said: This is it, nothing else will be changing for the rest of August. Something has changed. The Icon of uploaded/approved Vaxs Cards has disappeared on many sails. If Royal does not keep a database of prior Pax history, the only way to determine vaxxed and non-vaxxed will be at port check-in, unless something is in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazeleyes46 Posted August 11, 2022 #289 Share Posted August 11, 2022 12 hours ago, not-enough-cruising said: This is it, nothing else will be changing for the rest of August. If you read it says any ports in the Eastern Caribbean to stay tuned for more info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazeleyes46 Posted August 11, 2022 #290 Share Posted August 11, 2022 5 hours ago, little britain said: I would be happier to keep the vaccine requirement, drop the pre cruise testing; and stop the crew having to wear masks. I’m not thrilled that unvaccinated will now be allowed on board. jmho. Why? Do you know who is and who is not unvaccinated in your regular life? How would you know on a cruise? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazeleyes46 Posted August 11, 2022 #291 Share Posted August 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, nelblu said: Something has changed. The Icon of uploaded/approved Vaxs Cards has disappeared on many sails. If Royal does not keep a database of prior Pax history, the only way to determine vaxxed and non-vaxxed will be at port check-in, unless something is in the air. and the health questionnaire that we were told to take the day before the cruise was available and was only 3 questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelblu Posted August 11, 2022 #292 Share Posted August 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, hazeleyes46 said: and the health questionnaire that we were told to take the day before the cruise was available and was only 3 questions. And the 3rd question "pregnancy status" apples to all genders and ages😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare little britain Posted August 11, 2022 #293 Share Posted August 11, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, hazeleyes46 said: Why? Do you know who is and who is not unvaccinated in your regular life? How would you know on a cruise? Fortunately where I live 95% of the population over 18 has had 2 doses… and yes, I know who are unvaxed. It’s a small community. Edited August 11, 2022 by little britain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazeleyes46 Posted August 11, 2022 #294 Share Posted August 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, nelblu said: And the 3rd question "pregnancy status" apples to all genders and ages😜 Yeah, what the heck was that about? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazeleyes46 Posted August 11, 2022 #295 Share Posted August 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, little britain said: Fortunately where I live 95% of the population over 18 has had 2 doses… and yes, I know who are unvaxed. It’s a small community. So you never leave your community? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelGirlinDallas Posted August 11, 2022 #296 Share Posted August 11, 2022 6 hours ago, little britain said: I’m not thrilled that unvaccinated will now be allowed on board. jmho. As long as YOU are vaxxed, you are protected from serious illness, and that's all that matters. Personally, I'm 4x vaxxed and have also had Covid - and I think everyone should sail. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles4515 Posted August 11, 2022 #297 Share Posted August 11, 2022 53 minutes ago, TravelGirlinDallas said: As long as YOU are vaxxed, you are protected from serious illness, and that's all that matters. Personally, I'm 4x vaxxed and have also had Covid - and I think everyone should sail. I am vaccinated and boosted too and I don’t care about other peoples vaccine status either. I think everyone should be able to sail but I understand why the cruise lines have required vaccination and have been cautious about lifting the requirement. One reason is that if someone does get seriously ill they have to deal with it onboard. At this point most of the unvaccinated likely have been infected and has some immunity that will protect against serious illness. I don’t think it will be very long before the vaccination requirements are lifted. There are stumbling blocks to completely lifting it, Canada, Bermuda and the Bahamas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 11, 2022 #298 Share Posted August 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Charles4515 said: . At this point most of the unvaccinated likely have been infected Same for the vaccinated. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchoolNurseMom Posted August 11, 2022 #299 Share Posted August 11, 2022 As a nurse, the main concern with unvaxxinated guests may be that they are more prone to getting more seriously ill. Not every case, but possible. They do have a medical center onboard, but I'm sure they do not want to be dealing with many serious cases at one time. Being vaccinated does not guarantee less severe case either, but tends to be that way. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted August 11, 2022 #300 Share Posted August 11, 2022 4 hours ago, hazeleyes46 said: If you read it says any ports in the Eastern Caribbean to stay tuned for more info. I know, I can read. The Eastern Caribbean situation is very fluid and disjointed. I stand by my statement- nothing else will change for August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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