Carnival President, Christine Duffy, releases statement on the issue of inappropriate behavior on board its ships,

[Honolulu Blue]

13 minutes ago, nascartim said:

On my recent MG cruise, a friend of mine got a bit tipsy while in San Juan port. He happened to have lost his voice that day, which we noticed was going away the day before. Anyway, he was swaying a little while getting back on board. Security asked if he was ok, which he nodded that he was, I'm sure his wife told them he lost his voice, but not because of drinking,  but they probably didn't buy that story, even though it was true. But as long as his wife was taking care of him they let him carry on. The next day he couldn't use his s&s card so went to guest services, they told him security needed to speak to him. He went into a back room w/a member of security.  He came out about 10-15 mins later and told us what happened. He had to write an apology paragraph promising not to be drunk again. Lol, reminds me of 5th grade. But, that was the end of it. We frequently go on Paradise and see drunk people all the time. My friend did not cause any trouble w/anyone or raise his voice to anyone(he couldn't even talk).

1. Thanks for sharing your friend's story.

2.  In addition to reminding me of grade school (where I may or may not have done something similar... I can't remember 🙄), it also reminds me of The Simpsons where Bart would write messages on the chalkboard as punishment.

3.  Is this the future of punishment on Carnival?  $500 would buy a lot of paper, pens/pencils, and chalk. 😆

[ninjacat123]

2 minutes ago, nascartim said:

That could be true, any future problems and he was forewarned. If he had caused any other problems than maybe he would get fined. I guess they need to give out warnings first.

Yes, keep a paper trail to cover their butts.  What's next?  "I promise to eat all the bacon I take at breakfast"🤷‍♀️

[staceyglow]

21 minutes ago, ninjacat123 said:

Wow, that is bizarre!  Maybe security was having him write it down in case there were any future issues with your friend.  Sounds strange.

Once I was getting back on the ship after doing the Cozumel Bar Hop and I tripped a little on the gangplank. The security people were super nice, and they asked if I wanted a wheelchair. That was a little embarrassing. 😬

[Joebucks]

23 hours ago, EngIceDave said:

Back to the original topic, rowdy guests and misbehavior.

 

They need to have the guts to give a WELL TRAINED security staff the ability to intervene more and to detain people, short and long periods.

 

In time, the message will get out, "No more f&^%ijng around on Carnival ships."

 

Talk is cheap, actions make a difference.

 

Security staff should be trained in conflict resolution and even mental health issues which can be exacerbated with alcohol.  Know when to be hands on and hands off and able to negotiate. More or less, a "peace officer" who's job it is to stop and resolve issues, and not look for other reasons to arrest you. Just make the peace.

 

 

 

I agree that the penalty needs to be steep. We are too soft on people, and it leads to the degradation of society. While the "well trained" sounds nice on paper and the internet, it's just a rabbit hole to constantly demonize authority figures. Even the most well-trained PhDs aren't ready for every mental issue out there. 

 

20 hours ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

There is another way for Carnival to curb bad behavior besides stronger security, and they have already hinted at it----higher prices. They have stated to their stockholders that they are too much of a value. Not only do the bottom-of-the-barrel prices undercut their earnings, the low rates also attract more customers who may not conduct themselves with appropriate social behavior. They needed to drop their prices after the reopening to get their ships up and running again, but that strategy may have served its usefulness.

 

This is coming

[supaflyrobby]

I live in a part of the country well noted for its propensity for attracting partying and heavily intoxicated visitors. We get on average 5 million visitors per year into this county, and it is a constant balancing act for the powers that be to prioritize maintaining order vs. not wanting to come off too punitive and potentially dissuade people from coming. Carnival now seems to be facing a similar dilemma. 

 

Last summer here was especially crazy from people being cooped up for so long, and damn near 10 million packed our shores. We locals were pretty pissed before we even hit June, and eventually the state police who patrol the waterways and the county Sheriff got the message and started arresting and charging the people who were acting like idiots. In fairness this posture turned policy did not have much impact as far as number of incidents or calls for service from law enforcement. The offenders were just being held more accountable now. 

 

In our circumstance as cruisers, it a sad commentary on humanity that some people just can't seem to have a good time without being a problem for the rest of us. Carnival is clearly worried that further incidents will be a PR disaster and a real killer on their bottom line. I personally am 100% OK with people being confined to their staterooms to sleep it off, turned over to shore law enforcement, or whatever else might be necessary if they can't act like grown ups. 

 

And if they lose some business from this stance? Who cares, as ultimately this is the business you do not mind losing. 

[ninjacat123]

16 minutes ago, supaflyrobby said:

I live in a part of the country well noted for its propensity for attracting partying and heavily intoxicated visitors. We get on average 5 million visitors per year into this county, and it is a constant balancing act for the powers that be to prioritize maintaining order vs. not wanting to come off too punitive and potentially dissuade people from coming. Carnival now seems to be facing a similar dilemma. 

 

Last summer here was especially crazy from people being cooped up for so long, and damn near 10 million packed our shores. We locals were pretty pissed before we even hit June, and eventually the state police who patrol the waterways and the county Sheriff got the message and started arresting and charging the people who were acting like idiots. In fairness this posture turned policy did not have much impact as far as number of incidents or calls for service from law enforcement. The offenders were just being held more accountable now. 

 

In our circumstance as cruisers, it a sad commentary on humanity that some people just can't seem to have a good time without being a problem for the rest of us. Carnival is clearly worried that further incidents will be a PR disaster and a real killer on their bottom line. I personally am 100% OK with people being confined to their staterooms to sleep it off, turned over to shore law enforcement, or whatever else might be necessary if they can't act like grown ups. 

 

And if they lose some business from this stance? Who cares, as ultimately this is the business you do not mind losing. 

I've never been to Missouri and didn't know there were shores.  Lake shores?  

[supaflyrobby]

5 minutes ago, ninjacat123 said:

I've never been to Missouri and didn't know there were shores.  Lake shores?  

 

Yes, roughly 1100 miles of shoreline, and the lake itself is around 55K acres all told. Though It's a reservoir technically and not a lake, and It's especially popular with the boating crowd on account of its massive size and depth. 

[hard_eight]

46 minutes ago, supaflyrobby said:

 

Yes, roughly 1100 miles of shoreline, and the lake itself is around 55K acres all told. Though It's a reservoir technically and not a lake, and It's especially popular with the boating crowd on account of its massive size and depth. 

And drug dealers, I've seen Ozark

[supaflyrobby]

31 minutes ago, hard_eight said:

And drug dealers, I've seen Ozark

Yes, and those pesky Langmore's of course. 🙂 

[EngIceDave]

2 hours ago, ninjacat123 said:

I've never been to Missouri and didn't know there were shores.  Lake shores?  

Branson is Las Vegas for old folks and old country music artists and there's a huge lake there called Table Rock Lake, very popular for residents and tourists.

[sanmarcosman]

29 minutes ago, EngIceDave said:

Branson is Las Vegas for old folks and old country music artists and there's a huge lake there called Table Rock Lake, very popular for residents and tourists.

This is considerably north of Branson. I had no idea the greater metro Camdenton area was high on tourist destinations.

 

Back to Carnival: the pot smoking on Panorama in January was noticeable and the 4 day Radiance cruises have people openly smoking on deck as well as cabins. The dogs in Long Beach must have poor sniffers for so much pot to get past them. 

[pink roses]

We just got off the Carnival Valor . We saw a rise in security. 

[EngIceDave]

1 hour ago, KarmaCruisers said:

had someone I called out on bad behavior react so aggressively that I don't do it anymore. 

 

When I was young and stupid, I used to do this. People can be too violent now days, got shot. Of the older folks fighting on the ship they seem to be, IMO, guys who look like ex-jocks who can't hold their booze.

[Guest BasicSailor]

9 hours ago, EngIceDave said:

 

When I was young and stupid, I used to do this. People can be too violent now days, got shot. Of the older folks fighting on the ship they seem to be, IMO, guys who look like ex-jocks who can't hold their booze.

But females never have been the possible cause of the disruptions🤣

[Guest BasicSailor]

They didn't hire more security.  Carnival just retrained our room stewards.😇

[Homosassa]

On 2/19/2023 at 6:36 AM, jerseyjjs said:

 

 

"Routine"?   Then explain why Carnival is THE only cruise line that deploys drug-sniffing dogs for departing cruises at the Port Canaveral terminal.

Not true.

 

Other cruise lines have them, just more discreet (as a certain young relative of mine can testify after thinking she could smuggle edibles and her THC vape cartridges on board her cruise on a different line).

[ontheweb]

18 minutes ago, Homosassa said:

Not true.

 

Other cruise lines have them, just more discreet (as a certain young relative of mine can testify after thinking she could smuggle edibles and her THC vape cartridges on board her cruise on a different line).

Since they are not illegal (at least in some states), I assume they were confiscated without her being arrested. But, were they returned after the cruise?

[Homosassa]

5 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

Since they are not illegal (at least in some states), I assume they were confiscated without her being arrested. But, were they returned after the cruise?

Not my monkey, not my circus....
 

There was a long chat with security. I didn't ask for details and was happy that she found out that rules do apply as she is of that generation that think the world revolves around them. (Surprise!  Shoes are required in the buffet....)

[staceyglow]

43 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

Since they are not illegal (at least in some states), I assume they were confiscated without her being arrested. But, were they returned after the cruise?

Not in Florida, though... 

[ProgRockCruiser]

2 hours ago, staceyglow said:

Not in Florida, though... 

Medical MJ is legal in FL, and you'd be surprised (not really) how easy it is to get a Medical MJ card...

[EngIceDave]

34 minutes ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

Medical MJ is legal in FL, and you'd be surprised (not really) how easy it is to get a Medical MJ card...

Also be surprised how many of the people you see in the dispensaries are folks of an older age, not kids.

 

Youngest people I've ever seen in a Florida one was the employees

[grimpil]

Just off B2B panorama cruise and didn't witness any altercations, a few words spoken after the Superbowl result but cooler heads prevailed. I did notice increased security presence, especially outside the camp ocean (posted someone there constantly). However did notice an herbal scent quite frequently. While embarking they had 2 different dogs sniffing everyone's carryon. They would have about 30 people in line set their bags in front of them and step back while 2 different dogs (i believe a beagle mix and a healer mix) go up and down the line. First time i have seen something this thorough. We boarded early with priority status but  I imagine this would have slowed the boarding process significantly. 

[kdr69]

On 2/18/2023 at 6:04 AM, mz-s said:

What is an acceptable level of illegal drug use around you and your family on your vacation, in your opinion?

well that depends what do you mean by "around"?  Are we talking close proximity like 2 feet? In the General area like somewhere on the ship? In the Country im vacationing in at the moment? The city that i fly out of or into on my way to vacation? Anywhere on the ship i or my family might possibly see or smell it?  I smell many odors that are offensive while on vacation so unless its in my cabin there's not much i can do about what wafts about on the breeze now is there? What about the drug use i cant smell? If its right next to me on the next lounge chair well i would probably say something cause i absolutely KNOW my son will if hes around.  No filter on that kid whatsoever. Speaks out about people drinking around him too.  (Even me lol) The percentage of times ive encountered it on any cruise i have been on has been very low unlike the percentage of times ive seen it or run into it while travelling to my cruise. God i would never have vacationed in the US, Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean if proximity of drugs was a factor.  In my Opinion there's more drug use every day around me and my family at home that we are likely to run into then on vacation.

[ibarrio]

1 hour ago, EngIceDave said:

Also be surprised how many of the people you see in the dispensaries are folks of an older age, not kids.

 

Youngest people I've ever seen in a Florida one was the employees

Same in Arizona. The Sun Cities have easy access to dispensaries (drive thru). Arizona is medical and recreational use. 

[Incognito1]

4 hours ago, kdr69 said:

 Anywhere on the ship i or my family might possibly see or smell it?  I smell many odors that are offensive while on vacation so unless its in my cabin there's not much i can do about what wafts about on the breeze now is there? 

Yep, anywhere that I have to smell the stench.  Other offensive odors (BO in the casino) are not prohibited in my cruise contract.  I have no reasonable expectation to be free of it.  And, yes, there is a lot you can do about it.  Seems like every time I'm in Chicago or Seattle, I'm down to customer service over some rude, inconsiderate jackhole stinking up my room (and, yes, it comes through very strongly).  Hope they enjoy their $250 puff because I'm making sure they pay it.  People who smoke weed where they're not supposed to think nothing of the other people around them who don't want to smell it.  Selfish and rude.