Security needs to monitor the foul language

[icft]

23 minutes ago, mz-s said:

 

Unless the crew of the ship consisted of Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, and Helen Keller - they knew and didn't care. Carnival rarely enforces any of their behavioral rules.

I don't think it is question of the crew not caring but rather that they have been told to ignore it and leave it up to "trained" security personnel.

 

I would not expect regular crew to be expected to enforce the rules but they should be instructed to notify security. Instead they leave it up to the passenger to hike down to the lobby, take their time about responding to the location, then say "we didn't see nuttin."

[sparks1093]

10 hours ago, mz-s said:

 

Another rule that Carnival does not enforce...

Do they have a specific rule about this? They might have a generic rule about not wearing clothing that is offensive but what is offensive to one person is not offensive to another and that wonderful 4 letter word is so ingrained in our society that it can no longer be said to be universally offensive. I would hope that if some boor had the audacity to wear a shirt with a clear racist message that it would be dealt with, or if they wore a shirt with the 4 letter word followed by a class of persons, but the cruise ship is a reflection of the society we live in and there are all kinds of people in our society and some of them don't have any class.

[jimbo5544]

On 5/18/2023 at 4:33 PM, silvercrikhix said:

On our last cruise, a guy wore a t-shirt with THE 4 letter word spelled out in huge letters. Not only did he wear it day 2, he lacks real intelligence and also wore it day 5. Obviously, no one said a word to the Neanderthal. Good heavens….   It was also my 6 yr old Ggirls 1st cruise. I was pretty disappointed he chose to wear it and the staff did nothing about.  

I agree that it was classless and crude, there is a lot in our world today that is just that.  Now, in term of enforcement, what would you have them do?  Where is that line drawn on t-shirts and who decides where that line SHOULD be.  Carnival is the FUN ships, it does make it a little harder than say HAL or Silver Seas.  Tasering anybody with an offensive shirt or a political one?  Who decides where it begins or where it stops.  Easy in the abstract and harder in reality, no matter what the line.

[ontheweb]

31 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

I agree that it was classless and crude, there is a lot in our world today that is just that.  Now, in term of enforcement, what would you have them do?  Where is that line drawn on t-shirts and who decides where that line SHOULD be.  Carnival is the FUN ships, it does make it a little harder than say HAL or Silver Seas.  Tasering anybody with an offensive shirt or a political one?  Who decides where it begins or where it stops.  Easy in the abstract and harder in reality, no matter what the line.

OTOH, one is reminded of the line by a former Supreme Court Justice (I cannot specifically recall at the moment which one), "I cannot define pornography, but I know it when I see it.". I think the shirt in question that has been mentioned would qualify for "I kno

w it".

[jimbo5544]

37 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

OTOH, one is reminded of the line by a former Supreme Court Justice (I cannot specifically recall at the moment which one), "I cannot define pornography, but I know it when I see it.". I think the shirt in question that has been mentioned would qualify for "I kno

w it".

Nothing is black or white, all is shades of gray.  We agree on the shirt, from there it leads who knows where. Not easy at all, either enforcement or decisions of what is acceptable or not in whomevers eyes.  Just like most things in life.

[mz-s]

4 hours ago, sparks1093 said:

Do they have a specific rule about this? They might have a generic rule about not wearing clothing that is offensive but what is offensive to one person is not offensive to another and that wonderful 4 letter word is so ingrained in our society that it can no longer be said to be universally offensive. I would hope that if some boor had the audacity to wear a shirt with a clear racist message that it would be dealt with, or if they wore a shirt with the 4 letter word followed by a class of persons, but the cruise ship is a reflection of the society we live in and there are all kinds of people in our society and some of them don't have any class.

 

From Carnival's FAQ:

 

Please Note: All guests are expected to ensure their clothing and accessories are respectful to fellow guests. Specifically, items worn during the cruise should not contain any message that may be considered offensive or contain nudity, profanity, sexual innuendos/suggestions. In addition, clothing and accessories should not promote negative ethnic or racial, commentary, hatred, or violence in any form. 

 

I am amazed that people are so defensive of Carnival that they'll say it's OK to wear a shirt with profanity on it, because Carnival doesn't enforce their rules.

[mz-s]

3 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

I agree that it was classless and crude, there is a lot in our world today that is just that.  Now, in term of enforcement, what would you have them do?  Where is that line drawn on t-shirts and who decides where that line SHOULD be.  Carnival is the FUN ships, it does make it a little harder than say HAL or Silver Seas.  Tasering anybody with an offensive shirt or a political one?  Who decides where it begins or where it stops.  Easy in the abstract and harder in reality, no matter what the line.

 

 

Please Note: All guests are expected to ensure their clothing and accessories are respectful to fellow guests. Specifically, items worn during the cruise should not contain any message that may be considered offensive or contain nudity, profanity, sexual innuendos/suggestions. In addition, clothing and accessories should not promote negative ethnic or racial, commentary, hatred, or violence in any form. 

 

Taken directly from Carnival's FAQ page.

[mz-s]

13 hours ago, icft said:

I don't think it is question of the crew not caring but rather that they have been told to ignore it and leave it up to "trained" security personnel.

 

I would not expect regular crew to be expected to enforce the rules but they should be instructed to notify security. Instead they leave it up to the passenger to hike down to the lobby, take their time about responding to the location, then say "we didn't see nuttin."

 

"Unless we see it there is nothing we can do"

 

*50 videos on TikTok of the marijuana smoke pouring out of the cabin door frame*

 

*50 videos on Instagram of the guest being body slammed by the hot tub*

 

*50 videos on Facebook of guests wearing profanity-laced clothing and screaming obscenities on the Serenity deck* 

 

"Why are we seen as the Dollar General of the industry?"

 

Sometimes the answer is right in front of your face.

Edited May 20, 2023 by mz-s

[mz-s]

4 hours ago, jimbo5544 said:

I agree that it was classless and crude, there is a lot in our world today that is just that.  Now, in term of enforcement, what would you have them do?  Where is that line drawn on t-shirts and who decides where that line SHOULD be.  Carnival is the FUN ships, it does make it a little harder than say HAL or Silver Seas.  Tasering anybody with an offensive shirt or a political one?  Who decides where it begins or where it stops.  Easy in the abstract and harder in reality, no matter what the line.

 

"Hello Sir, my name is ... with the security team on the ship. Your shirt is in violation of our decency rules onboard. If you have a moment, I'd be glad to escort you to your cabin so you can change. Or, somebody can go to your cabin and bring you another shirt while I wait here with you."

[Georgia_Peaches]

On 5/17/2023 at 8:15 AM, BrotherCraig said:

I will never understand cussing and profanity, especially around strangers, and never will. 

For most of my life I remained potty-mouth free...as an educator, it was expected.  But wouldn't you agree that some instances just warrant more harsh language?  For example...you stub your toe on the coffee table. Which one feels more appropriate:

"ouch..golly, my stars that hurt like the dickens" or

"Da*n, effin-a-sh*t, that hurt like a SOB!"

 

One of the most liberating things about turning 50 (for me) was saying whatever the eff I wanted without worrying who heard me or what they would think of me for saying it.  But that's just me...

[EngIceDave]

Cursing is a modifier.

 

"Modifiers are words, phrases, and clauses that affect and often enhance the meaning of a sentence. Modifiers offer detail that can make a sentence more engaging, clearer, or specific. The simplest form of a modifier would be an adjective or adverb."

 

 

 

[jimbo5544]

1 hour ago, mz-s said:

 

 

Please Note: All guests are expected to ensure their clothing and accessories are respectful to fellow guests. Specifically, items worn during the cruise should not contain any message that may be considered offensive or contain nudity, profanity, sexual innuendos/suggestions. In addition, clothing and accessories should not promote negative ethnic or racial, commentary, hatred, or violence in any form. 

 

Taken directly from Carnival's FAQ page.

So what would you have them do?  Who decides what is suggestive? I am fine with the rules, holding Carnival to YOUR or MY or anybody else's standard is untenable.  There is a HUGE difference between having a rule to promote decency and holding them responsible for not acting out on every single thing you or I think violates it.

Edited May 20, 2023 by jimbo5544

[jimbo5544]

1 hour ago, mz-s said:

 

"Hello Sir, my name is ... with the security team on the ship. Your shirt is in violation of our decency rules onboard. If you have a moment, I'd be glad to escort you to your cabin so you can change. Or, somebody can go to your cabin and bring you another shirt while I wait here with you."

and they reply my shirt is my family surname, I have broken no rules.  Show me the list with the prohibited words on it.  What about that bathing suit over there, it is way more offensive, that girl is laughing way to loud, the towel over there that the chair hog put on is way t suggestive a picture, and on and on and on.  Asking them to draw those lines are simply way to much to ask.  They (collective for ALL cruise lines) are fine with strongly suggesting the rules.

Edited May 20, 2023 by jimbo5544

[mz-s]

20 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

and they reply my shirt is my family surname, I have broken no rules.  Show me the list with the prohibited words on it.  What about that bathing suit over there, it is way more offensive, that girl is laughing way to loud, the towel over there that the chair hog put on is way t suggestive a picture, and on and on and on.  Asking them to draw those lines are simply way to much to ask.  They (collective for ALL cruise lines) are fine with strongly suggesting the rules.

If the guest wants to argue with the security team then they will suffer the consequences. 

[AtSeaWithChris]

My my my so many people all in a dither over hypothetical offenses. This started over the Serenity area which is not intended to be serene but rather adults only. Adults s should know how to be adults. Unless someone is slapping your face physically if you don’t like something then stay away. 

[Paelos]

Might be time to try a different cruise line, I think you might enjoy one with an older client base.

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

Their ship.

Their rules.

They can interpret the rules however they wish.

 

Guests can accept or or swim home. 

 

There is no debate as to who's definition of obscene applies. Carnival gets to decide. 

 

Security at our local theme park pulls people aside as they enter the park telling them they need to change their shirt or leave. 90% or more of the gen pop may not agree with their distinction between ok and obscene, but it doesn't matter.  Their park, their rules. 

 

[sparks1093]

4 hours ago, mz-s said:

 

From Carnival's FAQ:

 

Please Note: All guests are expected to ensure their clothing and accessories are respectful to fellow guests. Specifically, items worn during the cruise should not contain any message that may be considered offensive or contain nudity, profanity, sexual innuendos/suggestions. In addition, clothing and accessories should not promote negative ethnic or racial, commentary, hatred, or violence in any form. 

 

I am amazed that people are so defensive of Carnival that they'll say it's OK to wear a shirt with profanity on it, because Carnival doesn't enforce their rules.

Then it's clear that they should have enforced it since most people would agree that the word is profane and sexual in nature. 

[mz-s]

20 minutes ago, sparks1093 said:

Then it's clear that they should have enforced it since most people would agree that the word is profane and sexual in nature. 

Couldn’t agree more. Thank you!

[ngrund]

On 5/18/2023 at 10:59 AM, tonit964 said:

I always thought the Serenity area was supposed to be Serene until one cruise on the Miracle when I was back there reading and the DJ set up the equipment and started playing Hip Hop music. 😥

it is "supposed" to be

https://www.carnival.com/onboard/serenity

 

The world you'll find yourself in is one of complete peace, sea breezes and, of course, a nearby bar. It's the place to get done the kind of stuff you just can't seem to do anywhere else — reconnect with your partner, finish that book, or do absolutely, blissfully, nothing at all.

Edited May 20, 2023 by ngrund

[icft]

2 hours ago, Paelos said:

Might be time to try a different cruise line, I think you might enjoy one with an older client base.

That is pretty much what we are doing. We have a couple of free cruises left on Carnival but NCL cruises scheduled after those. We will only be taking Journey 14 day or more Carnival cruises in the future as those have always had pleasant cruisers to be around.

 

After seeing the number of Carnival cruisers on here who think it questionable if the "F" word is profane I feel much better about our decision.

[jimbo5544]

3 minutes ago, icft said:

That is pretty much what we are doing. We have a couple of free cruises left on Carnival but NCL cruises scheduled after those. We will only be taking Journey 14 day or more Carnival cruises in the future as those have always had pleasant cruisers to be around.

 

After seeing the number of Carnival cruisers on here who think it questionable if the "F" word is profane I feel much better about our decision.

I did not see anybody who does not think it is profane.   Did I miss something?

[Butterbean1000]

Obsenties are more and more accepted these days.  We keep lowering and lowering the bar until the bar is flat on the ground.  I beleive there is a time and place for "language" (guilty here).  But using vulgar language in everyday speech is what my sweet southern mother would say is "commom".  I once heard my neighbor tell her boyfriend that she loved him with all her f*%#ing heart. What? Really?  I would be so insulted if someone told me that. But that's just me.

[Georgia_Peaches]

1 minute ago, Butterbean1000 said:

But using vulgar language in everyday speech is what my sweet southern mother would say is "commom".

I once heard my sweet southern mother use language that would make a sailor blush.  I was shocked, to say the least.  I'm sure she had a good reason (I've asked her over the years but she throws her hand over her heart, aghast, as if I was dreaming),  but I bet she felt much better afterward.  

[Butterbean1000]

3 minutes ago, Georgia_Peaches said:

I once heard my sweet southern mother use language that would make a sailor blush.  I was shocked, to say the least.  I'm sure she had a good reason (I've asked her over the years but she throws her hand over her heart, aghast, as if I was dreaming),  but I bet she felt much better afterward.  

I'm a Georgia Girl, too!  The worse thing my mother every said was damn.  My father wasn't much of a cusser, either.  That is how I was raised.