What ship will eventually replace Majesty?

[American Bear]

Majesty holds significantly more PAX than any Vision class ship. Could not imagine RC giving up berthing in the hot 3 / 4 day market out of South Florida. They could bring in Grandeur but lose berths, plus what would they then put in Baltimore? Radiance-class may fit, don't think Voyager class or greater will fit there.

 

Could a Voyager class potentially replace Majesty? Seems those ships are spread a bit thin. No way RC will concede 3 and 4 day market. Cash cows.

 

So what's the best guess here for when Majesty eventually is transferred out of the fleet?

 

 

Where the money is,,,suites and balconies.

Majesty 63 Suites 2354 total passengers

Vision class (+/-) 248 Suites/Balconies 1950 total passengers

Radiance class (+/-) 577 Suites/Balconies 2100 total passengers

Voyager class (+/-) 707 Suite/Balconies 3114 total passengers

 

Our approx. guesstimates!:D

A Vision Class's ship would bring in about the same income as the Majesty with 185 more suites/balconies then Majesty, offset by 404 less total passengers!

 

A Radiance Class ship would bring in more income with 514 more suites/balconies then Majesty, even with 204 less total passengers!

 

A Voyager Class ship would bring in still more money with 644 more suites/balconies then Majesty, and 760 'more' total passengers!

 

So does RCL think Miami is a growing market?

We think so! How much is the question!

(NCL brought into Miami the new Getaway, MSC brought in the newish Divina, Carnival has the newish Breeze)

 

Our prediction, a Radiance Class ship, but we wouldn't be surprised to see a Voyager class chosen!

Maybe a future Quantum???;)

[American Bear]

No offense taken at all. But it was a smear campaign to make people think they were voting against widening the channel when all they really did was vote against having the ACoE doing a feasibility and environmental impact study, a data gathering study. The best decisions are always made based on factual data, not just feelings.

 

And while I don't live in KW, I do have some understanding of the dynamics there, I do spend a decent amount of time in the various towns of the Keys as it is quick and easy getaway for us.

 

It just seems to be a head buried in the sand approach. Not sure why anyone would reasonably object to having hard data with which to then make a decision.

 

I still contend that if nothing is done, that over the next X number of years cruise ship traffic decreases as older / smaller cruise ships are sold off and new ships can't port in KW. Yes, quality of life is important but if you lose hundreds of thousands of guests per year you'll also see small businesses closing up shop.

 

Still though, they can reach KW from Port Canaveral no problem with a Vision-class ship, and put a Voyager-class ship in Miami to blow away the competition. A sea day on a Voyager-class ship could be a great revenue generator for RCI as well. Mainly I just don't want to see RCI stick a 15 year old ship in Miami that isn't clearly superior to its competition, they will get no converts from NCL or Carnival that way (my opinion). I want to see RCI dominate the short Miami cruise market.

 

 

Agree with a lot of what you said except for the part about another sea day, with Coco cay, and Labadee sitting there vacant half the time, I'd rather spend a day there then at sea! Could also sign a deal with Carnival, and pull into the Dock Carnival built in the Turks! Great beach there too! Maybe Freeport too!

[LMaxwell]

Agree with a lot of what you said except for the part about another sea day, with Coco cay, and Labadee sitting there vacant half the time, I'd rather spend a day there then at sea! Could also sign a deal with Carnival, and pull into the Dock Carnival built in the Turks! Great beach there too! Maybe Freeport too!

 

If I was in charge (HA!) this is what there would be

 

Voyager-class out of Miami

4 Day run A (weeks 1 and 3 of month) - Embark/Sea Day/Labadee/Sea Day/Disembark

3 Day run - Embark/Coco Cay/Nassau/Disembark

4 Day run B (weeks 2 and 4 of month) - Embark/Coco Cay/Nassau/Sea Day/Disembark

 

Don't worry, not cutting out Coco Cay, and I am major booster of sending short cruises to Labadee if feasible. I guess Freeport could substitute for that one sea day on the 4 day "B" itinerary; RCI has to figure out fuel burned vs captive audience buying drinks, bingo cards, shops open onboard, specialty dining, art auctions, etc....

 

Carnival DOES use Coco Cay sometimes, so reciprocity for RCI to use Turks and Caicos is not out of the question.

[Ourusualbeach]

Where the money is,,,suites and balconies.

Majesty 63 Suites 2354 total passengers

Vision class (+/-) 248 Suites/Balconies 1950 total passengers

Radiance class (+/-) 577 Suites/Balconies 2100 total passengers

Voyager class (+/-) 707 Suite/Balconies 3114 total passengers

 

Our approx. guesstimates!:D

A Vision Class's ship would bring in about the same income as the Majesty with 185 more suites/balconies then Majesty, offset by 404 less total passengers!

 

A Radiance Class ship would bring in more income with 514 more suites/balconies then Majesty, even with 204 less total passengers!

 

A Voyager Class ship would bring in still more money with 644 more suites/balconies then Majesty, and 760 'more' total passengers!

 

So does RCL think Miami is a growing market?

We think so! How much is the question!

(NCL brought into Miami the new Getaway, MSC brought in the newish Divina, Carnival has the newish Breeze)

 

Our prediction, a Radiance Class ship, but we wouldn't be surprised to see a Voyager class chosen!

Maybe a future Quantum???;)

 

IMO you won't see a Radiance class ship doing any of the short 3/4 day cruises. Their unique engine system that burns a lot cleaner make them more valuable doing the coastal cruises where there are strict emission guidelines.

[cruiserdudebobby8]

IMO you won't see a Radiance class ship doing any of the short 3/4 day cruises. Their unique engine system that burns a lot cleaner make them more valuable doing the coastal cruises where there are strict emission guidelines.

 

Yes plus there made for all weather temperatures

 

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[Dave85]

IMO you won't see a Radiance class ship doing any of the short 3/4 day cruises. Their unique engine system that burns a lot cleaner make them more valuable doing the coastal cruises where there are strict emission guidelines.

 

 

Agreed, their unique characteristics are far too valuable to the line in other deployments. A Vision or Voyager Class ship makes much more sense.

 

 

 

 

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Edited November 28, 2014 by Dave85

[Debde]

Enchantment. That's my GUESS and I'm sticking to it!!!:D

[Clarea]

Enchantment. That's my GUESS and I'm sticking to it!!!:D

I'm on that page too.:)

[AtlantaCruiser72]

I'm on that page too.:)

 

Make me three for EN replacing MJ

[notsomadhatter]

I'm on that page too.:)

 

Would you see a Voyager class ship going to PC to replace EN? Or another Vision class?

[karena1]

Enchantment. That's my GUESS and I'm sticking to it!!!:D

I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE!!!!!!:p:p:p:p

[orville99]

Enchantment. When I compared Enchantment with Monarch (Majesty's twin sister) doing the identical itineraries across the high, mid, and low points in an entire year (used Monarch's cabin prices for each cruise as a baseline and interpolated the balcony cabin $$ on Enchantment as midway between a JS and the top OV), across the entire range EN generated 31.2% more booking revenue than Monarch. It was the only Vision class ship that generated statistically significant revenue gains over Monarch.

 

 

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[Clarea]

Would you see a Voyager class ship going to PC to replace EN? Or another Vision class?

I see Adventure as a possible replacement for EN in Port Canaveral.

[cruiserdudebobby8]

I see Adventure as a possible replacement for EN in Port Canaveral.

 

I agree as Voyager and mariner in Asia and possibly explorer in Europe or China or asia

 

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[shipfriend_max]

I also see Enchantment replacing Majesty on the short-runs from Miami. Cannot imagine that a Radiance/Voyager/Freedom-Class ship will offer it.

 

Adventure is most likely to switch to Europe, IMHO, and do the Med runs from Southampton, Explorer is doing in 2015.

Radiance class ships surely offer longer voyages.

 

I also imagine that two Vision Cölass ships will do the short runs from Miami and Port Canaveral - Vision from PC, Enchantment from Miami, or the other way around...

[American Bear]

All these suggestions sound really good!:)

Miami is a Port RCL needed a better 'show' at, we loved our short trips on the Majesty over the years(a great deal for your money), but compared to the new ships that other cruise lines have brought into Miami the last few years, RCL was looking 2nd rate in Miami!

[American Bear]

If I was in charge (HA!) this is what there would be

 

Voyager-class out of Miami

4 Day run A (weeks 1 and 3 of month) - Embark/Sea Day/Labadee/Sea Day/Disembark

3 Day run - Embark/Coco Cay/Nassau/Disembark

4 Day run B (weeks 2 and 4 of month) - Embark/Coco Cay/Nassau/Sea Day/Disembark

 

Don't worry, not cutting out Coco Cay, and I am major booster of sending short cruises to Labadee if feasible. I guess Freeport could substitute for that one sea day on the 4 day "B" itinerary; RCI has to figure out fuel burned vs captive audience buying drinks, bingo cards, shops open onboard, specialty dining, art auctions, etc....

 

Carnival DOES use Coco Cay sometimes, so reciprocity for RCI to use Turks and Caicos is not out of the question.

 

 

 

Replace that sea day with a port day, and you get our backing of 'being in charge'!:D

Never a big fan of sea days, (like getting off the ship to explore, etc.) that's why when we wanted a short cruise, we'd drive longer to Miami to take the Majesty then to PC and take the Monarch!

And for that same reason with most of RCL's 7 day cruises having 3 port days instead of 2, we usually chose another cruise line with 2 port days for a 7 day cruise!

 

The private RCL locations make the extra money just like a sea day, maybe even more(saving fuel), so we'll always be pushing for added Coco Cay/Labadee stops!

We told the top brass years ago the ships could always spend a second day at either stop,(Coco Cay/Labadee, scheduling wouldn't be that difficult) that way those who want a sea day, stay on the ship, others get to get off for a second day! They tried a 2 day Coco Cay once I think, but that was the end of it!:D

 

RCL should build their own area right next to Carnivals in the Turks, a great beach location! That way all the excursions can come to one area! :D

Edited November 29, 2014 by American Bear

[American Bear]

I also see Enchantment replacing Majesty on the short-runs from Miami. Cannot imagine that a Radiance/Voyager/Freedom-Class ship will offer it.

 

Adventure is most likely to switch to Europe, IMHO, and do the Med runs from Southampton, Explorer is doing in 2015.

Radiance class ships surely offer longer voyages.

 

I also imagine that two Vision Cölass ships will do the short runs from Miami and Port Canaveral - Vision from PC, Enchantment from Miami, or the other way around...

 

 

 

You could be right! A Vision class seems right for PC! Miami?

A Vision Class caries less passengers, but has the suite/balconies to make up for the lost income, so probably at best, a break even move!

Our question to RCL would be why break even in Miami?

The other cruise lines see Miami as a growth target, bringing in newer, larger ships! Its almost like RCL is saving Miami for the 6 months Celebrity's in town!

Maybe RCL will see this as a time to step up in Miami? Or not!:eek:

[orville99]

You could be right! A Vision class seems right for PC! Miami?

A Vision Class caries less passengers, but has the suite/balconies to make up for the lost income, so probably at best, a break even move!

 

Probably true for every Vision class ship except Enchantment, which was stretched and would substantially increase revenue from Miami.

[American Bear]

Probably true for every Vision class ship except Enchantment, which was stretched and would substantially increase revenue from Miami.

 

 

Yes, I see the stretch added 151 cabins, so maybe the Enchantment is the winner?!:)

[majarosh]

I think I read she' going to Texas in 2016....can't find where I read that. Still looking

 

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[John&LaLa]

$89 rate for the 4 day on Dec 15

 

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[Piepkorn]

I have watched this thread since day one, and the speculating has been very entertaining. Lots of people has hopes and wishes for this. But with that said, I don't think there will be a replacement for Majesty. These short trips are not sailing as full as people would like to think.

 

A good example regarding short trips - Vision 4 day trip to Cozumel on October 9th. A GS was going for $414pp 3 weeks before the trip. There was a 70% vacancy rate in D1's 30 days out. Balcony guarantees went for $249. They ended up giving away cabins to a casino (again) 2 weeks prior to sailing, but no one showed up.

 

I suspect Enchantment will be moved to FLL leaving nothing in Miami.

[mcatmcat]

 

Our question to RCL would be why break even in Miami?

 

The other cruise lines see Miami as a growth target, bringing in newer, larger ships! Its almost like RCL is saving Miami for the 6 months Celebrity's in town!

 

Maybe RCL will see this as a time to step up in Miami? Or not!:eek:

 

 

It's funny for me to pass by the port of miami and see RCL headquarters in the port accompanied by the old majesty. That's the only ship sailing the entire year. No one can tell miami is not a great port, they now have disney and even msc competing against Ncl and carnival, but RCL is almost non existent

 

 

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[Paulette3028]

If I was in charge (HA!) this is what there would be

 

Voyager-class out of Miami

4 Day run A (weeks 1 and 3 of month) - Embark/Sea Day/Labadee/Sea Day/Disembark

3 Day run - Embark/Coco Cay/Nassau/Disembark

4 Day run B (weeks 2 and 4 of month) - Embark/Coco Cay/Nassau/Sea Day/Disembark

 

Don't worry, not cutting out Coco Cay, and I am major booster of sending short cruises to Labadee if feasible. I guess Freeport could substitute for that one sea day on the 4 day "B" itinerary; RCI has to figure out fuel burned vs captive audience buying drinks, bingo cards, shops open onboard, specialty dining, art auctions, etc....

 

Carnival DOES use Coco Cay sometimes, so reciprocity for RCI to use Turks and Caicos is not out of the question.

 

I love this idea of rotating itineraries.....from a business perspective it can encourage more people to do B2B2B's on this type of rotation, especially if they fly down to meet the ship. What I see is too many sea days, and need something other than Nassau as a real port stop. Setting that aside, however for now.

 

I just came off of Her Majesty. Had a lovely meeting with Craig (Food & Beverage Manager) and Robert (Hotel Director) about what will replace Her Majesty. Both admit that cruisers may actually know before those on the ship herself. They are too busy working onboard. We had interesting conversation about the options and how cruisers would fit in all the things to do that are available on the larger ships like the Voyager class. I said, don't be concerned about that...cruisers will just have to take another short cruise to fit in what they did not do in the first place. They laughed and suggested that Royal may be thinking exactly that. Time will tell.

 

I know one thing....on Her Majesty this past weekend was a juggler. No matter HOW GOOD IT WAS, if they had the Ice Show (as you can have on a Voyager class ship), it would have been MUCH BETTER entertainment for the evening!