If cruise line only "recommends" vaccination and doesn't "require" it, will you cruise?

[K32682]

24 minutes ago, Markanddonna said:

I'm all for getting the vaccine and for cruises to require 100% participation in vaccines, but...

 

How does one get a legitimate certificate that you  have been properly vaccinated?  The idea of an electronic vaccination stamp on one's passport that expires is a great idea (you might need a yearly booster), but I can see a black market for any verification. What about those passengers from second and third world countries who received an inferior vaccination with low efficacy (read: made in China)?

 

Maybe it is because I am a WWII researcher and writer and am a bit more aware of faked everything and the black market that I am a bit "paranoid."  Most cruisers are likely very nice people who are mostly unaware of such practices, but my mind tends to go down the road of "Yeah, but what if?"

 

 

It is possible to fake anything but that isn't sufficient reason not to have proof of vaccination required before being allowed to cruise. Should some anti-vaxx donkey sneak on board with fake immunization documents and subsequently test positive he can expect an investigation into the validity of his documentation and hopefully criminal charges and a lifetime ban from future cruising.  

 

 

[Toofarfromthesea]

On 12/14/2020 at 10:12 AM, broberts said:

 

😂 Who knew virus were moral.

 

There is zero chance, zero, that an mRNA vaccine like the ones from Pfizer and Moderna could infect someone with the virus. There is a much greater chance that you are wrong about your immunity.

 

I'm not concerned about getting the virus from a vaccine.  I am concerned about the fair number who experienced covid-like symptoms, sometimes severely so, between the first and second shot.

And if you thought my statement had anything to do with the virus having morals (although some seem to think it can distinguish between the immoral action of eating in a restaurant and the moral act of violently protesting and rioting) then you need to work on your reading comprehension (or sense of humor, if you were trying to make a funny).

[Toofarfromthesea]

On 12/14/2020 at 10:17 AM, clo said:

'Course you could have 'it', be asymptomatic and pass to others.

 

 

 

Except that the latest studies show that like with other IRVs, there is little to no evidence that asymptomatic people are contagious.

[clo]

7 minutes ago, Toofarfromthesea said:

 

Except that the latest studies show that like with other IRVs, there is little to no evidence that asymptomatic people are contagious.

A person with COVID-19 may be contagious 48 to 72 hours before starting to experience symptoms. In fact, people without symptoms may be more likely to spread the illness, because they are unlikely to be isolating and may not adopt behaviors designed to prevent spread.Dec 4, 2020

 

If you've been exposed to the coronavirus - Harvard Health

[Toofarfromthesea]

I wonder what was the point of the question when only one answer is acceptable, and those giving another answer get mocked and attacked.  One side effect of the whole  COVID experience is revealing how many truly nasty people are out there.

[Laurie S.]

Of course I will go.

[clo]

51 minutes ago, Toofarfromthesea said:

I wonder what was the point of the question when only one answer is acceptable, and those giving another answer get mocked and attacked.  One side effect of the whole  COVID experience is revealing how many truly nasty people are out there.

I haven't seen any attacks.

[2wheelin]

1 hour ago, Toofarfromthesea said:

 

I'm not concerned about getting the virus from a vaccine.  I am concerned about the fair number who experienced covid-like symptoms, sometimes severely so, between the first and second shot.

Most likely from exposure to a  positive person before immunity developed, either because of natural course of their lives or from letting their guard down too soon.

[broberts]

1 hour ago, Toofarfromthesea said:

 

I'm not concerned about getting the virus from a vaccine.  I am concerned about the fair number who experienced covid-like symptoms, sometimes severely so, between the first and second shot.

And if you thought my statement had anything to do with the virus having morals (although some seem to think it can distinguish between the immoral action of eating in a restaurant and the moral act of violently protesting and rioting) then you need to work on your reading comprehension (or sense of humor, if you were trying to make a funny).

 

The typical side effects reported would be better described as vaccine-like as they are common to most vaccines. They are in fact signs that one's immune system is responding to the vaccine and learning to create appropriate antibodies.

 

Apparently your comprehension of my sarcasm is equally lacking. I certainly wasn't trying to be funny.

Edited December 16, 2020 by broberts

[Geobugs]

12 hours ago, bigrednole said:

I think anyone cruising without a vaccine should be personally financially responsible for everyone's cruise fares and expenses onboard. I think it would be stupid for the cruise lines to sail without a vaccination requirement now. A few months ago, I didn't have that opinion. 

 

Making someone personally financially responsible for spreading the virus based upon non-vaccination is ludicrous.  I will sail without the vaccination, as in the past.   Cruise lines should not force untested and unproven vaccinations.

 

[clo]

2 minutes ago, Geobugs said:

I will sail without the vaccination, as in the past.  

"in the past" we didn't have this virus.

 

3 minutes ago, Geobugs said:

Cruise lines should not force untested and unproven vaccinations.

They're not. Clinical trials, remember?

[navybankerteacher]

12 minutes ago, Geobugs said:

 

Making someone personally financially responsible for spreading the virus based upon non-vaccination is ludicrous.  I will sail without the vaccination, as in the past.   Cruise lines should not force untested and unproven vaccinations.

 

You might have to meet cruise lines' and ports of calls' requirements if you want to cruise.

 

You are not likely to be required to get a vaccination, but you might not be able to cruise without one.

[clo]

Just now, navybankerteacher said:

You are not likely to be required to get a vaccination, but you might not be able to cruise without one.

You'd think by now that masks are required SO MUCH and that companies have the right to require them that it's an easy step to requiring vaccines.

[navybankerteacher]

1 minute ago, clo said:

You'd think by now that masks are required SO MUCH and that companies have the right to require them that it's an easy step to requiring vaccines.

There are folks out there who are so devoted to their own rights that they cannot seem to recognize the rights of others.  I agree that an individual may have the right to not wear a mask (or receive a vaccination)  - I wonder if they can visualize the possibility that others might have the right to refuse service to people who do not wear masks (or receive a vaccination) --- especially in connection with a non-essential activity like cruising.

[Geobugs]

Today I re-booked my cruise for April 2021.  They did not mention anything about a vaccination requirement or a mask requirement.  Widespread vaccination availability will not come to at least April. 

 

Also "any person with a history of a significant allergic reaction to a vaccine, medicine or food (such as previous history of anaphylactoid reaction or those who have been advised to carry an adrenaline autoinjector) should not receive the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine,"  Me and my son's medical history documents such history.   It is not about rights, it is a health issue.

[Charles4515]

55 minutes ago, Geobugs said:

 

Making someone personally financially responsible for spreading the virus based upon non-vaccination is ludicrous.  I will sail without the vaccination, as in the past.   Cruise lines should not force untested and unproven vaccinations.

 

 

Don’t count on being able to sail without vaccination. You don’t have to get the vaccination but it is quite possible the cruise lines won’t let you cruise in the next few  for years without being vaccinated.  That will be their call. 

 

 

[Charles4515]

23 minutes ago, Geobugs said:

Today I re-booked my cruise for April 2021.  They did not mention anything about a vaccination requirement or a mask requirement.  Widespread vaccination availability will not come to at least April. 

 

Also "any person with a history of a significant allergic reaction to a vaccine, medicine or food (such as previous history of anaphylactoid reaction or those who have been advised to carry an adrenaline autoinjector) should not receive the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine,"  Me and my son's medical history documents such history.   It is not about rights, it is a health issue.

 

Why did you bring up masks? 

 

It is not likely there will be cruises until 50 to 70% of the population are vaccinated so April 2021 is doubtful. Vaccine hesitancy will delay the cruising restart. As far as medical conditions, certainly you should not take the Pfizer vaccine but there are and will be other vaccines so its quite possible you would be able to take one of the other vaccines. Time will tell.

 

If vaccination is required they probably will make medical exceptions when a large percentage of the population is vaccinated and Covid is not being transmitted. You might have to wait a few years.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Charles4515

[goldengirl123]

1 hour ago, navybankerteacher said:

There are folks out there who are so devoted to their own rights that they cannot seem to recognize the rights of others.  I agree that an individual may have the right to not wear a mask (or receive a vaccination)  - I wonder if they can visualize the possibility that others might have the right to refuse service to people who do not wear masks (or receive a vaccination) --- especially in connection with a non-essential activity like cruising.

Yes , I do agree. It should work both ways. 

[Markanddonna]

Cruises are not run by the government. They can set their own rules. Consider churches. My old church encouraged people to wear a mask but said they would never enforce it.  My new church has a 9:00 service where a mask is mandatory. You are even escorted out different doors from the early service so you won't run into non mask wearers. If you want to claim an exemption to mask wearing, you have to go to one of the later services. I like that sensible approach.

[ilikeanswers]

1 hour ago, Geobugs said:

Cruise lines should not force untested and unproven vaccinations.

 

But cruise lines can just like they can ban you bringing alcohol on board or force you to book only cruise line tours to go offshore. Cruise lines have been forcing us to accept their rules regardless of our feelings for decades. No reason why they can't do the same with vaccines😕

[clo]

48 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

If vaccination is required they probably will make medical exceptions when a large percentage of the population is vaccinated and Covid is not being transmitted. You might have to wait a few years.

Or perhaps they'll just not take those people. Would that be alright? I know of a very reputable escorted land tour company that states that they won't carry people who have to use a wheel chair.

[Charles4515]

28 minutes ago, clo said:

Or perhaps they'll just not take those people. Would that be alright? I know of a very reputable escorted land tour company that states that they won't carry people who have to use a wheel chair.

 

I think that would be alright. They have the right to deny passage to people with certain medical conditions. Cruise lines also have pregnancy policies. How many weeks usually has to be under 24 and even then a letter from a physician. 

[clo]

2 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

 

I think that would be alright. They have the right to deny passage to people with certain medical conditions. Cruise lines also have pregnancy policies. How many weeks usually has to be under 24 and even then a letter from a physician. 

When we went to Antarctica we had to have a detailed form from our doctor. I don't recall what was on it but certainly enough that we could be denied. Charles, I see you live in the US as we do. I can see our brethren pitching fits about their "rights."

[Geobugs]

I am not saying that Cruise lines can't enforce a vaccination requirement.  I am suggesting that I think that they should not enforce a vaccination requirement.  I take an advocacy stance. 

[Geobugs]

I also remember the Carnival Paradise.  Non-smoking cruise ship, it did not last.  People voted with their money.  If Vaccines are require, people will vote with their money and I predict will not last.  More people die from tobacco than Covid19.

Edited December 17, 2020 by Geobugs