Rare livingonthebeach Posted May 12, 2021 #1 Share Posted May 12, 2021 The first hearing of the State of Florida vs CDC is set for 9:00am this morning at the federal court in Tampa. Channel 8 WFLA Tampa will be at the court house to report as it unfolds. https://www.wfla.com/community/health/coronavirus/floridas-lawsuit-over-cdc-cruise-orders-goes-before-judge-wednesday/ 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100viper Posted May 12, 2021 #2 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Big day today. I’m truly interested to see which way this goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldflame Posted May 12, 2021 #3 Share Posted May 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, 100viper said: Big day today. I’m truly interested to see which way this goes. Very little chance of success in any way or form. The case is extremely weak and FL lacks the legal standing. There will be no testimony today. And all the memos and argument have already been submitted. No statements are expected. Will likely be garden variety unceremonious lawyering. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph2017China Posted May 12, 2021 #4 Share Posted May 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, coldflame said: Very little chance of success in any way or form. The case is extremely weak and FL lacks the legal standing. There will be no testimony today. And all the memos and argument have already been submitted. No statements are expected. Will likely be garden variety unceremonious lawyering. I stayed at the Holiday Inn express last night.....so I am highly qualified to say that the chance of the court moving this along is very possible, considering it is Florida, impacts a billion dollar industry that votes to put the judge in office. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldflame Posted May 12, 2021 #5 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Joseph2017China said: I stayed at the Holiday Inn express last night.....so I am highly qualified to say that the chance of the court moving this along is very possible, considering it is Florida, impacts a billion dollar industry that votes to put the judge in office. Why the State of Florida Will Lose Its Motion for Preliminary Injunction Against the CDC Tomorrow | Cruise Law News 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted May 12, 2021 Author #6 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, coldflame said: Why the State of Florida Will Lose Its Motion for Preliminary Injunction Against the CDC Tomorrow | Cruise Law News Jim Walker is not always right. He doesn't even have the correct town or court -- stating it is happening in Orlando when in fact it is in Federal Court in Tampa not Orlando. He's published the incorrect facts on several platforms. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF-1 Posted May 12, 2021 #7 Share Posted May 12, 2021 So if the CDC wins what does this mean to cruisers out of Florida ports? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldflame Posted May 12, 2021 #8 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, livingonthebeach said: Jim Walker is not always right. He doesn't even have the correct town or court -- stating it is happening in Orlando when in fact it is in Federal Court in Tampa not Orlando. He's published the incorrect facts on several platforms. That as it may, his analysis based on the complaint and memo is 100% spot on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted May 12, 2021 Author #9 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, coldflame said: That as it may, his analysis based on the complaint and memo is 100% spot on. He could be but the judge is not basing his decision on JW's opinions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted May 12, 2021 #10 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, AF-1 said: So if the CDC wins what does this mean to cruisers out of Florida ports? Probably means we better all buy a boat if we want to sail from the US 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted May 12, 2021 #11 Share Posted May 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, coldflame said: Very little chance of success in any way or form. The case is extremely weak and FL lacks the legal standing. There will be no testimony today. And all the memos and argument have already been submitted. No statements are expected. Will likely be garden variety unceremonious lawyering. Are you a lawyer. I keep reading this from what seems like 100s of posters. I wonder how many know because they have legal backgrounds and how many are just saying what others say. So many medical and legal and financial experts. .. lol though I put myself into the last category. Just hard to believe we have so many lawyers posting they know for sure florida has no standing. Myself .. I'm doubting we will have a outcome today, but one can hope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldflame Posted May 12, 2021 #12 Share Posted May 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, AF-1 said: So if the CDC wins what does this mean to cruisers out of Florida ports? The CDC isn't suing FL. So the CDC doesn't "win". A better way to say this is: "if FL loses ..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldflame Posted May 12, 2021 #13 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, firefly333 said: Are you a lawyer. I keep reading this from what seems like 100s of posters. I wonder how many know because they have legal backgrounds and how many are just saying what others say. So many medical and legal and financial experts. .. lol though I put myself into the last category. Just hard to believe we have so many lawyers posting they know for sure florida has no standing. Myself .. I'm doubting we will have a outcome today, but one can hope. Not a lawyer. You don't have to be. Just common sense and reading both the case and the response memo by CDC. It's really simple a Federal judge won't vacate protocols set forth by a government agency who's authority is public health -- in as economically inconvenient as that might be to the cruise industry. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AF-1 Posted May 12, 2021 #14 Share Posted May 12, 2021 1 minute ago, coldflame said: The CDC isn't suing FL. So the CDC doesn't "win". A better way to say this is: "if FL loses ..." I guess my wording may have been backward. Florida says they are losing money because the CDC won't allow ships to sail from their ports. Is that correct? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted May 12, 2021 Author #15 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, AF-1 said: I guess my wording may have been backward. Florida says they are losing money because the CDC won't allow ships to sail from their ports. Is that correct? Florida joined by Alaska and Texas. Florida is also arguing that the CDC is creating a loophole whereby Americans can fly to the Caribbean, take a cruise and fly back into the United States without having to quarantine. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare DCGuy64 Posted May 12, 2021 #16 Share Posted May 12, 2021 26 minutes ago, livingonthebeach said: Jim Walker is not always right. He doesn't even have the correct town or court -- stating it is happening in Orlando when in fact it is in Federal Court in Tampa not Orlando. He's published the incorrect facts on several platforms. That "article" is so shot through with errors and ridiculous assumptions, I'd be embarrassed to put my name to it. The whole g-d thing is a joke! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpluvsdolphins Posted May 12, 2021 #17 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Is it streaming live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldflame Posted May 12, 2021 #18 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Just now, scorpluvsdolphins said: Is it streaming live? No live streaming, unfortunately. Local news outlets have people there and said will be providing updates as things unfold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted May 12, 2021 Author #19 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, DCGuy64 said: That "article" is so shot through with errors and ridiculous assumptions, I'd be embarrassed to put my name to it. The whole g-d thing is a joke! He's been getting a bit sloppy lately. Big cases have been going to other maritime attorneys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted May 12, 2021 Author #20 Share Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, coldflame said: No live streaming, unfortunately. Local news outlets have people there and said will be providing updates as things unfold. Maybe Jim can teleport it from Tampa to Orlando to Miami and live stream it on his blog. 🤪 Edited May 12, 2021 by livingonthebeach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkvillain Posted May 12, 2021 #21 Share Posted May 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, scorpluvsdolphins said: Is it streaming live? It’s on pay per view for $149.99. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSocial Posted May 12, 2021 #22 Share Posted May 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Yorkvillain said: It’s on pay per view for $149.99. plus 18% tax 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare livingonthebeach Posted May 12, 2021 Author #23 Share Posted May 12, 2021 There are a few Tampa news channels that offer live coverage but they are covering all sorts of local stuff as well which might not interest everyone. https://www.fox13news.com/live https://www.wfla.com/wfla-live/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldflame Posted May 12, 2021 #24 Share Posted May 12, 2021 Must be closed doors hearing. Not seeing anything in social media or news thus far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_G Posted May 12, 2021 #25 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Yorkvillain said: It’s on pay per view for $149.99. Do you get double points if you use your Royal Caribbean Visa? Asking for a friend. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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