Left Right Center Forbidden

[dacsmom]

3 hours ago, Oakman58 said:

Have you ever played Left Right Center for money on a cruise?  I ask because according to Brand Ambassador John Heald, that game is considered gambling and gambling outside the casino is forbidden on the cruise line.

That is not what he said at all.  The large exchange of money was the problem. You cannot play any games that involve money outside of the casino. You are free to play games wherever you want.

[Elaine5715]

1 hour ago, staceyglow said:

I would also only be eating my food there, but if the reserver was standing there waiting for me to finish, I might eat really slowly...and as I finished up, I would be watching for others looking for a table and let them know that my table was available.

I really enjoy reading while eating.  I   can   read   very  slow and then ponder what I just read, re-read to enjoy the passage again..and again..

[Elaine5715]

3 hours ago, mz-s said:

 

I was on a cruise last year or the year before and a group of folks had LAMINATED sheets that said something to the effect of "table reserved for so-and-so game group" that they would put on Lido tables when they decided they wanted to play Uno or whatever stupid game they played.

 

Rude inconsiderate and the wrong cruise line for that kind of behavior. Charter a yacht if you want public areas of the ship for your exclusive use at a whim.

A few years ago, one sailing had a large section blocked out 24/7 for mahjong.  The seating area was such there was one one way in and they had someone there sunrise to after midnight, guarding "their" area.  

[kwokpot]

5 minutes ago, Elaine5715 said:

A few years ago, one sailing had a large section blocked out 24/7 for mahjong.  The seating area was such there was one one way in and they had someone there sunrise to after midnight, guarding "their" area.  

Was that a Hawaii cruise from the West Coast? I find that many TP cruises, especially from Vancouver, will have many Chinese passengers. I was on a tap from Vancouver that had a similar thing happen (It was a Royal Caribbean Cruise) Whatsmore is mahjong is a very,very noisy game when the tiles are being shuffled. 

[Elaine5715]

8 minutes ago, kwokpot said:

Was that a Hawaii cruise from the West Coast? I find that many TP cruises, especially from Vancouver, will have many Chinese passengers. I was on a tap from Vancouver that had a similar thing happen (It was a Royal Caribbean Cruise) Whatsmore is mahjong is a very,very noisy game when the tiles are being shuffled. 

It was from Miami.  It was a bit mesmerizing watching them shuffle but watching earned you hard stares then a "guard" approached you like you were creeping.  

[AFS1970]

My first time playing LCR was at a Where's George convention, so of course money changed hands. I have since played on my most recent cruise. Not being on [that social media site] I didn't see John Heald's post or the discussion around it. Last fall on the Venezia we had a group that played three scheduled LCR games, organized on that same site. We played on the big tables outside the closed Amari bar so taking table space from anyone was not an issue. Late at night I saw various groups playing cards and dominos in the Lido and the Marketplace, but never saw this during dining hours. 

 

As for the gambling angle, we can't forget that cruise lines are businesses. They exist to make money and do not have to allow any competition on board. Banning gambling outside of the casino is their right. I do wish they wouldn't claim there were "regulations" as the casinos open only in international waters specifically because they are free of regulations. Just like the drink packages are not applied when sailing in certain states, due to liquor laws. This isn't about "large" amounts of money or else the game for quarters would not have been shut down. This isn't even about public spaces or the wi-fi would not block online gambling which is inherently a private activity. 

 

To me this is no different than (although a bit more disappointing) than not allowing me to set up a table selling t-shirts or jewelry on the Lido Deck. Just don't blow smoke up my back side and tell me that they are enforcing anything other than their own bottom line (which is OK) based on the whims of a cruise Karen (which is not OK).

[rbelshaw]

1 hour ago, kwokpot said:

Whatsmore is mahjong is a very,very noisy game when the tiles are being shuffled. 

Having lived in Chinatown, I can testify that one can hear a mahjong parlor on the third floor of a building four blocks away - unless you're in law enforcement.

[Elaine5715]

1 hour ago, AFS1970 said:

My first time playing LCR was at a Where's George convention, so of course money changed hands. I have since played on my most recent cruise. Not being on [that social media site] I didn't see John Heald's post or the discussion around it. Last fall on the Venezia we had a group that played three scheduled LCR games, organized on that same site. We played on the big tables outside the closed Amari bar so taking table space from anyone was not an issue. Late at night I saw various groups playing cards and dominos in the Lido and the Marketplace, but never saw this during dining hours. 

 

As for the gambling angle, we can't forget that cruise lines are businesses. They exist to make money and do not have to allow any competition on board. Banning gambling outside of the casino is their right. I do wish they wouldn't claim there were "regulations" as the casinos open only in international waters specifically because they are free of regulations. Just like the drink packages are not applied when sailing in certain states, due to liquor laws. This isn't about "large" amounts of money or else the game for quarters would not have been shut down. This isn't even about public spaces or the wi-fi would not block online gambling which is inherently a private activity. 

 

To me this is no different than (although a bit more disappointing) than not allowing me to set up a table selling t-shirts or jewelry on the Lido Deck. Just don't blow smoke up my back side and tell me that they are enforcing anything other than their own bottom line (which is OK) based on the whims of a cruise Karen (which is not OK).

According to the post, winners were posting themselves with fists of cash on various cruise related sites and people were relaying those to JH.  Then when Security approached, the organizer (it was a planned event, not spontaneous ), they were less than polite.  I wondered what the rake was?  

[mfs2k]

 

It seems there's an easy solution that poker players figured out a long time ago..

 

Sell poker chips privately, play with those on the Lido deck, then cash out the winner's poker chips privately. No visible money.  

[Mike45LC]

I find bingo very boring and do not play/watch, but I am pretty sure that cruise ships hold bingo for $$ in a showroom that is NOT IN THE CASINO.  So how do they get away with this, if the rule is "only inside the casino"?  

 

Also, I used to bet on "horse races" on the Lido deck by the pool, again "outside the casino."  

 

It seems that the announcement stating that betting is allowed only in the casino is a lie or is misinformation.  

[larry_s_taco]

My LRC set came with chips to use. You would be able to play with those since no money is involved. 

[StephPS79]

4 hours ago, AFS1970 said:

Banning gambling outside of the casino is their right. I do wish they wouldn't claim there were "regulations" as the casinos open only in international waters specifically because they are free of regulations.

 

Cruise ship casinos are not free from regulations, even in international waters.

[mz-s]

2 minutes ago, StephPS79 said:

 

Cruise ship casinos are not free from regulations, even in international waters.

 

They are tightly regulated in fact. They wait for international waters largely to ensure they're not beholden to the rules of the individual state (many of which don't allow casino gambling).

[AFS1970]

After a bit of research, it seems that when in international waters, cruise ships fall under the gambling laws of the country they are flagged in. The equipment may be under CLIA, which is an industry association and bases their regulations on Nevada & New Jersey (USA) regulations. Given some of the countries that ships are flagged in and the voluntary nature of industry associations, I would still say the regulations are somewhat mailable. But again, cruise line can make whatever rules they want, it is up to us to vote with our wallets if we don't like the rules. 

[dolphinsfan246]

I’m really curious how much money they were playing for. I don’t think I’ve ever made more than $15 in a game of LCR 😂😂

[crazyank]

18 hours ago, mz-s said:

I was on a cruise last year or the year before and a group of folks had LAMINATED sheets that said something to the effect of "table reserved for so-and-so game group" that they would put on Lido tables when they decided they wanted to play Uno or whatever stupid game they played.

these sheets would have immediately been in the nearest trash can if we were looking for a table.

[tidecat]

14 hours ago, Mike45LC said:

I find bingo very boring and do not play/watch, but I am pretty sure that cruise ships hold bingo for $$ in a showroom that is NOT IN THE CASINO.  So how do they get away with this, if the rule is "only inside the casino"?  

The casino department runs Bingo and Deal or No Deal, even if they are held in the theater.

[aborgman]

20 hours ago, dacsmom said:

That is not what he said at all.  The large exchange of money was the problem. You cannot play any games that involve money outside of the casino. You are free to play games wherever you want.

 

42 minutes ago, tidecat said:

The casino department runs Bingo and Deal or No Deal, even if they are held in the theater.

 

A direct quote from John Heald:

 

“This is because gambling outside of the casino is strictly forbidden aboard any of our ships.”

 

So yes, it IS what he said... and yes, it was a lie.

[Theosprey247]

People will bet on anything 

[jsglow]

1 hour ago, aborgman said:

 

 

A direct quote from John Heald:

 

“This is because gambling outside of the casino is strictly forbidden aboard any of our ships.”

 

So yes, it IS what he said... and yes, it was a lie.

No, it was an inartfully chosen phrase; not a 'lie'. 🙄 

[Jamman54]

On several Journeys cruises we were part of the LCR crowd which numbered around 35 people. We would play between the lunch and dinner service, thus not tying up tables for those wanting to eat. At $3/pp the final pot would be around $100 all in singles. The crew would come over to watch us play. It's a shame that one group played during prime eating times, and posted the fistful of singles on social media,  thus ending a fun group gathering, that for years has been harmless fun, ruining it for everybody. 😣

[StephPS79]

1 hour ago, aborgman said:

 

 

A direct quote from John Heald:

 

“This is because gambling outside of the casino is strictly forbidden aboard any of our ships.”

 

So yes, it IS what he said... and yes, it was a lie.

 

If he had said "gambling outside of the casino's operation," would that have satisfied your need for semantics (from the Brand Ambassador, who is not the legal team)?

 

Maybe you should see if John Heald has a spot for you on the payroll...

 

Who has done you so wrong that you find a "lie" in every sentence ever put together.

[bigdog1958]

22 hours ago, dacsmom said:

That is not what he said at all.  The large exchange of money was the problem. You cannot play any games that involve money outside of the casino. You are free to play games wherever you want.

sure he did, it was a response to a comment that said they only play for quarters. its in plain english, so dont call me a liar. 

[CruisinTrkrs3]

1 hour ago, Theosprey247 said:

People will bet on anything 

I'll bet you they wont😆

[mz-s]

As soon as Carnival calculates an acceptable rake, LRC will return as a cruise director-led activity like Deal or No Deal.