Smoke free casino experiment

[sparks1093]

First sorry for your loss

That has nothing to do with my health. I have lost people to cancer that had nothing to do with smoking and again my perfect health is not your concern. I don't judge or bash non smokers so don't input your opinion on my personal health. I could care less if they banned it everywhere but outdoors. I am a courtesy smoker and I don't judge anyone or their habits or health especially when I have no clue who they are.

 

 

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I was in perfect health too. Until I had my heart attack at the age of 48. Then I quit. Unfortunately it wasn't soon enough because I had part of a lung removed in June because of lung cancer. At 58. So just because you are in perfect health now does not mean that it will continue. I personally don't care one way or the other what you do with yourself. Just pointing out that perfect health now is no guarantee of perfect health later (heck, 11 years ago I could have written your post).

 

As for the no smoking casino, it likely won't happen if it costs RCI money.

Edited December 15, 2016 by sparks1093

[monctonguy]

Smoking in the casino is one of the reasons why I book and enjoy cruising on Royal(among many other things)

 

I don't know how people ever managed to live and enjoy life 20-30 years ago when smoking was allowed everywhere!!!...lol Now its only allowed in about 10% of space/places.....so really I don't think ppl should complain so much.

 

And to be honest, as someone who spends a lot of time in the casino's on Royal, it is very few ppl who go there just to smoke. Yes, there are some and some who prob do it often, but mostly the people smoking are gambling and drinking while there.

 

Perhaps having smoking hours and non-smoking hours could be a solution...or perhaps if they had a lounge on board that you could smoke in, instead of the casino...it would keep everyone happy?!

[troykahack]

Smoking in the casino is one of the reasons why I book and enjoy cruising on Royal(among many other things)

 

I don't know how people ever managed to live and enjoy life 20-30 years ago when smoking was allowed everywhere!!!...lol Now its only allowed in about 10% of space/places.....so really I don't think ppl should complain so much.

 

And to be honest, as someone who spends a lot of time in the casino's on Royal, it is very few ppl who go there just to smoke. Yes, there are some and some who prob do it often, but mostly the people smoking are gambling and drinking while there.

 

Perhaps having smoking hours and non-smoking hours could be a solution...or perhaps if they had a lounge on board that you could smoke in, instead of the casino...it would keep everyone happy?!

 

I don't believe your statement about people smoking and playing. On Serenade, the Casino Bar was smack in the middle of the Casino. It was always packed and not a chair to be had with people drinking and smoking and NOT playing. I was in the Casino every night on our 11 night cruise and many of the same people each night with people waiting for a seat and it is a large bar with no gaming devices to play at the bar. A lot just drop in to smoke before or after dinner. If they are not playing they shouldn't be in there smoking.

 

The Crew doesn't like the smoke as well. I believe it will be for their health safety that smoking will be banned in the future.

[skiiergirl]

Would love to have non-smoking Casino! They would get Much more of our $ if non-smoking! Currently on a ship (for 3rd week in a row) and smoke is horrible. Poor ventilation. Can't "air out" as smokers are in there even when casino not open. Numerous people in there in the evenings smoking and NOT playing AND NOT drinking. Just taking up chairs blocking the machines. They don't even pretend to gamble. They just squat on a stool facing away fom the machines and puff away!

Edited December 15, 2016 by skiiergirl

[TeeRick]

They did a 3 week experiment on the Majesty by restricting smoking in the casino. It didn't go well. Revenue dropped significantly. It was like a ghost town. They reverted back to the way it was, it was packed every night, and the revenue increased. Imagine that.

 

Leo- where did you get this revenue information? And when was it - in the past when a lot more people smoked? Or are you just speculating? It seems that there is actually just a small minority of passengers smoking in the casinos these days. So it is hard to see why the casinos would be empty in an experiment restricting smoking. Royal Caribbean Inc parent company does not need to experiment since it has a lot of actual revenue data from Celebrity and their non-smoking casinos.

[BillOh]

Lol! Smokers (notice the correct plural spelling not the incorrect singular possessive you used) are self righteous! Nonsmokers are the ones who turn every thread into a smoking thread. Some people cannot stand others who don't do as they want rather it be smoking, or dressing, or riding elevators or any other behavior. There is a word for that, too!

 

Just for your information, a lot of local bars in Ohio did close when the smoking ban came in. Others could afford to add patios or other solutions. I know 2 that still allow smoking inside as they always did. It obviously depends what part of Ohio you are from. I know the only realty you recognize is your own.

 

 

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Nice post till the lame remark at the end. Notice I said the remark is lame, that is allowed under forum rules. Had I said you were lame for making that statement it wouldn't be allowed. While in my reality I can think your lame, but I'm not allowed to say it, so I'll stick with the post being lame. Sorry about the typo, it wasn't a misspelling, it was an improper choice of words, though my fingers are to blame, I know the difference.

[moonltnite]

We love playing blackjack - but only if a casino is non-smoking. We have all non-smoking casinos in Illinois, which is great.

[Fred the ferret lover]

If I am fat, or eat good foods, drink a coke that is bad for me, it doesn't affect you.

 

Smoking has a byproduct that is harmful to others called second hand smoke. Not to mention most fat people don't stink as much as my clothes after being in a smoke filled Casino.

 

As you say, don't you think you should respect 80% of the other people who do not smoke. You are provided with and outdoor area to smoke in.

 

Maybe you should switch deodorant. Such drama.

[reedl]

Something doesn't make sense here. Celebrity does not allow smoking in their casinos which are packed. Certainly every night and on sea days. They are owned by RCCL so the comparison should be easy for the suits to make. If X was losing money by not allowing smoking they would probably allow it.

I agree with you on this. Although the two cruise lines do focus on different groups. Celebrity is more 'upscale' than Royal.

Another thing, only 15% of Americans smoke. Let's say that of those half cruise on a regular basis. Are we to believe that 7% of the cruising population contribute enough to incremental profit to risk pissing off the other 93%?

This logic does not work. If 15% of Americans smoke, that means for every 100 Americans, 15 smoke. Therefore on a ship of 4000 people, 600 people should be smokers on average.

 

So the numbers would be on average 15% of the people on a ship would be smokers.

 

Of course, no one really knows if the people who cruise are representative of the general population. Also keep in mind that non Americans also cruise, where smoking is more prevalent.

[BND]

I agree with you on this. Although the two cruise lines do focus on different groups. Celebrity is more 'upscale' than Royal.

 

This logic does not work. If 15% of Americans smoke, that means for every 100 Americans, 15 smoke. Therefore on a ship of 4000 people, 600 people should be smokers on average.

 

So the numbers would be on average 15% of the people on a ship would be smokers.

 

Of course, no one really knows if the people who cruise are representative of the general population. Also keep in mind that non Americans also cruise, where smoking is more prevalent.

 

I don't think the numbers bear out that 600 people on a cruise of 4000 are smokers. People at lower income levels and less education tend to have higher smoking rates. So, people with lower incomes are less likely to take vacations like cruises which I'm sure skews the numbers somewhat.

 

Having been on Celebrity, it is not more upscale than RCI and I know I'm not alone in that belief. It's been discussed on here before.

 

Smokers tend to not like facts about their habit, but I see this going to non-smoking casinos fairly soon. There's too many non-smokers and too many facts about the dangers of second hand smoke.

Edited December 15, 2016 by BND

[Nessa1dc]

I would say continue to save your money as you will need it later for medical issues.

 

That comment was uncalled for.

 

I am a smoker and an invited Royal Casino member. I like to smoke while I gamble. I used to smoke in my stateroom, and then on my balcony and now I am allowed to smoke in the casino and in my designated areas on the ship. On some ships I am allowed in the connoisseur club.

 

I follow the rules. If Royal didn't allow smoking in the casino, I would likely not spend much time there...that's just me.

[Beachammo]

I don't think the numbers bear out that 600 people on a cruise of 4000 are smokers. People at lower income levels and less education tend to have higher smoking rates. So, people with lower incomes are less likely to take vacations like cruises which I'm sure skews the numbers somewhat.

 

But.....you need to consider that older people are more likely to smoke than younger people. Royal ships are full of older people. I'm sure Royal knows the numbers and probably why they offer two choices (Celebrity or Royal).

[Motorman23]

They did a 3 week experiment on the Majesty by restricting smoking in the casino. It didn't go well. Revenue dropped significantly. It was like a ghost town. They reverted back to the way it was, it was packed every night, and the revenue increased. Imagine that.

 

Thank you, 4 pages of comments and yours was the only one that addressed my question. Looks like my "source" is real, lol. The rest of you who want to go on about smoking on ships should take your concerns over to the anti smoking threads which this wasn't intended to be. Btw, I am a non smoker.

 

 

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[troykahack]

That comment was uncalled for.

 

I am a smoker and an invited Royal Casino member. I like to smoke while I gamble. I used to smoke in my stateroom, and then on my balcony and now I am allowed to smoke in the casino and in my designated areas on the ship. On some ships I am allowed in the connoisseur club.

 

I follow the rules. If Royal didn't allow smoking in the casino, I would likely not spend much time there...that's just me.

 

Why? You don't want to face the FACTS. Smoking leads to healthcare issues. Do you not believe this? Smokers are a burden on many, including the healthcare systems. If you deny this, you really are not into the facts.

 

Many companies that still offer healthcare and life insurance charge significantly more than NON SMOKERS.

[mark290]

That comment was uncalled for.

 

I am a smoker and an invited Royal Casino member. I like to smoke while I gamble. I used to smoke in my stateroom, and then on my balcony and now I am allowed to smoke in the casino and in my designated areas on the ship. On some ships I am allowed in the connoisseur club.

 

I follow the rules. If Royal didn't allow smoking in the casino, I would likely not spend much time there...that's just me.

 

Do you smoke in your house ?

[mark290]

Thank you, 4 pages of comments and yours was the only one that addressed my question. Looks like my "source" is real, lol. The rest of you who want to go on about smoking on ships should take your concerns over to the anti smoking threads which this wasn't intended to be. Btw, I am a non smoker.

 

 

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I can make up an answer also if you would like.

[ravenjls]

nevermind

Edited December 15, 2016 by ravenjls

[cincicruisers]

On our Navigator cruise the casino bar was non smoking. They called out to anyone who lit up at the bar. Around the casino they had 3-4 "fans/air cleaners" around the casino. The smoke wasn't too bad, but I think the lingering stale smoke smell is bad. I had to change after playing in the casino. That being said the smokers are following the rules and that allows for smoking in the casino.

[Charles4515]

But.....you need to consider that older people are more likely to smoke than younger people. Royal ships are full of older people. I'm sure Royal knows the numbers and probably why they offer two choices (Celebrity or Royal).

 

Nope. Older people are less likely to smoke than younger people. Only 8.4 %. The latest CDC statistics. Don't want to get anyone upset but perhaps many smokers have been departed the living by age 65.....

 

"Current cigarette smoking was higher among persons aged 18–24 years, 25–44 years, and 45–64 years than among those aged 65 years and older.

 

13 of every 100 adults aged 18–24 years (13.0%)

Nearly 18 of every 100 adults aged 25–44 years (17.7%)

17 of every 100 adults aged 45–64 years (17.0%)

More than 8 of every 100 adults aged 65 years and older (8.4%)"

Edited December 15, 2016 by Charles4515

[ckrobyn]

All casino's in Ontario are non-smoking as are bingo halls. This became law many years ago. The smokers survived the implementation of this law, and still gamble, and play bingo just as they did before, only now they step outside for a cigarette.

 

For most people a change in rules causes initial panic, but eventually we all settle down and adjust. The no smoking on balcony's rule caused pandemonium among all smokers, but they survived and still book cruises.

 

They will survive a non-smoking casino too, and trust me, they will still gamble just like they do here in Ontario :o

[ChrisOz]

A few ideas floated around about segregated smoking in casinos. The second hand smoke problem remains. The aircon system is the problem here. To be effective you would need a completely separate room and separate aircon just for the smokers.

 

In my country you would need the staff to also sign some heavy duty wavers for legal liability and from the cruise line's perspective hope that the documents hold up in court later on when said staff or their next of kin sue.

 

Another point overlooked is that most passengers don't smoke and have grown accustomed to not going near the casino if they are concerned for their health. It takes time for the cultural change to bring these people back to the casinos. Over time they will have replaced the departed smokers.

[Motorman23]

I can make up an answer also if you would like.

 

Ok, give it your best shot....

 

 

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[Charles4515]

We have gone thru this before with the previous changes in Smoking policies. Before every change there were those who were in denial that it would happen. Experiments or whatever, Casinos on ships will become non smoking.

 

 

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Edited December 16, 2016 by Charles4515

[Retired LEO]

I can make up an answer also if you would like.

 

And just when were you on the Majesty last?

[teddybear231]

This reminds me of a similar story. When the casino Revel opened in Atlantic City a couple yeara go, I went down with a couple of buddies to check it out. We were drinking, gambling, having a good time. Then our luck started to take a turn for a worse, so I asked the dealer for an ash tray so I could smoke a cogarette. He said the smoking section was outside. We thought he was joking with us, but turns out he wasn't. Revel actually had a no-smoking policy, anywhere inside the building. Long story short, we left and went to the Borgata where we could smoke. Revel has since been closed down now for over a year.

 

Don't get me wrong, it was a beauitful casino. But I never gambled there since I couldn't smoke. I'm not saying that's why they went out of business, but I'm sure it didn't help their case.

 

Or like my wife says "maybe you shouldn't smoke" :rolleyes: