Cigarette came on to balcony - burned shirt.

[Ocean Boy]

Not by me!

Nor by me.

[JAMESCC]

Not by me!

Oh good one person on my side. Fire at sea is too dangerous to take chances with. There are a lot of irresponsible smokers out there. When I see someone their a cigarette butt from the window of thier car my blood boil. Not only do you have a disgusting habit but now we all suffer from throwing the butt out the window. Throwing a cigarette butt out of the window of a car should be a 5,000 dollar fine first offense, 10,000 second and we'll go from there.

 

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[Goodtime Cruizin]

Oh good one person on my side. Fire at sea is too dangerous to take chances with. There are a lot of irresponsible smokers out there. When I see someone their a cigarette butt from the window of thier car my blood boil. Not only do you have a disgusting habit but now we all suffer from throwing the butt out the window. Throwing a cigarette butt out of the window of a car should be a 5,000 dollar fine first offense, 10,000 second and we'll go from there.

 

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LOL... extremism is funny. Let's just cut off the hand that threw the cigarette. Better yet, cut off the lips so they can't smoke anymore. LOL

[JAMESCC]

LOL... extremism is funny. Let's just cut off the hand that threw the cigarette. Better yet, cut off the lips so they can't smoke anymore. LOL

Nope, no physical harm but serious punishment.

 

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[debandbruce]

Here we go with the CC police. This was a legit concern about SMOKERS and then the OP gets ripped for something else. You want to know my feelings about smoking on cruise ships? Whether or not here it comes. Fire is a such a danger at sea there should be NO smoking ANYWHERE on the ship, period. Cigarettes should be confiscated and not allowed on the ship at all. Plenty of non smokers will fill cabins or people who can deal without till they get off the ship in port. Now I will wait to get ripped to shreds because I fall on the no fire at sea theory.

 

I won't blast you, I think there should be at least more stringent rules for smoking. It's the same old story, there are those that stick to the rules, extinguish cigarettes in allocated receptacles and respect what is asked of them. Then you get the, "it's my vacation" people who will do whatever they want that ruin it for everyone else. i Hate cigarettes and their smoke and smell but appreciate that there are those that enjoy it. Here in Canada they made restaurants casinos etc non smoking and despite everyone saying it would kill businesses and that it didn't, people adapt.

[ATC cruiser]

LOL... extremism is funny. Let's just cut off the hand that threw the cigarette. Better yet, cut off the lips so they can't smoke anymore. LOL

 

 

 

Ask the people who live out west during extreme fire conditions if a $5000 fine for throwing a cigarette out the window is extremism.

 

 

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[Cruzaholic41]

Oh good one person on my side. Fire at sea is too dangerous to take chances with. There are a lot of irresponsible smokers out there. When I see someone their a cigarette butt from the window of thier car my blood boil. Not only do you have a disgusting habit but now we all suffer from throwing the butt out the window. Throwing a cigarette butt out of the window of a car should be a 5,000 dollar fine first offense, 10,000 second and we'll go from there.

 

I 100% agree with everything you said in this thread. Unfortunately, there are some really dumb people in this world who would somehow find a way to blame you for someone else’s actions.

[JAMESCC]

I 100% agree with everything you said in this thread. Unfortunately, there are some really dumb people in this world who would somehow find a way to blame you for someone else’s actions.

Yeah that is what people on this forum do. The CC police are scary people.

 

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[mickeychicky]

OMG the point of the post was to let inconsiderate smokers NOT to just toss your butts overboard or maybe to not even be smoking on your balcony in the first place.

Jeez, get over it with the "well you shouldn't be leaving stuff on your balcony" comments. Maybe when a butt hits you in the face while sitting on that balcony you pay good money for it will THEN be a bigger deal. Or maybe when your ship happens to catch fire because of an inconsiderate smoker, and you have to bail. Wouldn't be so quick to be so judgemental then.....

[JAMESCC]

OMG the point of the post was to let inconsiderate smokers NOT to just toss your butts overboard or maybe to not even be smoking on your balcony in the first place.

Jeez, get over it with the "well you shouldn't be leaving stuff on your balcony" comments. Maybe when a butt hits you in the face while sitting on that balcony you pay good money for it will THEN be a bigger deal. Or maybe when your ship happens to catch fire because of an inconsiderate smoker, and you have to bail. Wouldn't be so quick to be so judgemental then.....

When a cigarette butt hits them in the face it'll finally hit them!

 

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[mjkacmom]

I won't blast you, I think there should be at least more stringent rules for smoking. It's the same old story, there are those that stick to the rules, extinguish cigarettes in allocated receptacles and respect what is asked of them. Then you get the, "it's my vacation" people who will do whatever they want that ruin it for everyone else. i Hate cigarettes and their smoke and smell but appreciate that there are those that enjoy it. Here in Canada they made restaurants casinos etc non smoking and despite everyone saying it would kill businesses and that it didn't, people adapt.

Are there still places that allow smoking in bars and restaurants? In my state it’s just allowed in casinos, although I think they tried to make them smoke free. Some towns ban smoking on beaches, and you need to be 21 to purchase cigarettes.

[Ocean Boy]

Oh good one person on my side. Fire at sea is too dangerous to take chances with. There are a lot of irresponsible smokers out there. When I see someone their a cigarette butt from the window of thier car my blood boil. Not only do you have a disgusting habit but now we all suffer from throwing the butt out the window. Throwing a cigarette butt out of the window of a car should be a 5,000 dollar fine first offense, 10,000 second and we'll go from there.

 

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I also can't stand it when they flick those butts out of the window. Think about it, those butts are so disgusting even smokers don't want them in the car. They can't wait to throw them out the window.:rolleyes:

[JAMESCC]

I also can't stand it when they flick those butts out of the window. Think about it, those butts are so disgusting even smokers don't want them in the car. They can't wait to throw them out the window.:rolleyes:

Yeah liter the world with thier disgusting habit.

 

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[debandbruce]

Are there still places that allow smoking in bars and restaurants? In my state it’s just allowed in casinos, although I think they tried to make them smoke free. Some towns ban smoking on beaches, and you need to be 21 to purchase cigarettes.

 

No it is against the law, no smoking in restaurants ,casinos, bars, any public building. If you stand outside to smoke you must be a certain distance away from the entrance. We even have a park in my city that is no smoking.

[ckrobyn]

I’m onboard the Anthem right now and the smell of weed has wafted around my balcony on more than one occasion, including when I opened the door at 8 A.M. morning. Disgusted doesn’t describe how I feel about this. [emoji35]

 

 

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[mugtech]

On the Enchantment in Dec. we found cigarette butts on our aft balcony many times. It was annoying. Luckily they were out. Years ago on the celebrity Constellation a lit cigarette blew onto our balcony and hit my arm. No real damage but frightening. I have called security about people smoking on the balcony next door . They came and said they would talk with the people. However, the smoking continued. The issue is not that something was on the balcony but, the smoking is so dangerous.

This is why I always book an inside cabin. I have never had a cig butt land in my cabin.

[Dennis#1]

I’m onboard the Anthem right now and the smell of weed has wafted around my balcony on more than one occasion, including when I opened the door at 8 A.M. morning. Disgusted doesn’t describe how I feel about this. [emoji35]

 

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Did you call security? If security finds weed, those passengers will be escorted off the ship on next port visit.

[Havingfun2010]

I know what your post was about, but it also showed that not only throwing a cigarette over board is a fire hazard and breaking the rules, but leaving stuff on the balcony is the same fire hazard and for obvious good reasons against the rules as well. But you might just want to chose the rules for others to obey, while it´s up to you to ignore other rules.

 

Many people have things on balconies like towels etc on their chairs. However, smoking and throwing overboard, or putting it out on deck, or tossing in garbage cans all fire hazards, and I'm glad that the poster brought this issue out. Fire is no laughing matter on a ship.

[Eslader]

Leaving stuff on a balcony is a fire hazard in the same way that a gas leak in your house is a fire hazard. By themselves, neither will cause a fire. Expose either to open flame, however... And that's why it's a good idea to fix gas leaks. It's also why it's a good idea not to leave combustible items unattended where idiots can throw fire at them. Never trust personal safety to the intelligence of the masses - you'll lose every time. ;)

[cruisinfanatic]

Leaving stuff on a balcony is a fire hazard in the same way that a gas leak in your house is a fire hazard. By themselves, neither will cause a fire. Expose either to open flame, however... And that's why it's a good idea to fix gas leaks. It's also why it's a good idea not to leave combustible items unattended where idiots can throw fire at them. Never trust personal safety to the intelligence of the masses - you'll lose every time. ;)

As said before, the cruiseline asking that items not be left on the balcony is so that they don't blow away. There is no steadfast rule against it though.

[Ocean Boy]

Leaving stuff on a balcony is a fire hazard in the same way that a gas leak in your house is a fire hazard. By themselves, neither will cause a fire. Expose either to open flame, however... And that's why it's a good idea to fix gas leaks. It's also why it's a good idea not to leave combustible items unattended where idiots can throw fire at them. Never trust personal safety to the intelligence of the masses - you'll lose every time. ;)

You are seriously comparing a towel to a glas leak?

[Taishartrueblood]

It is an analogy, Oceanboy. Think about it.

[Ocean Boy]

It is an analogy, Oceanboy. Think about it.

I did. One is explosive and the other is not. You can think about it.

[chengkp75]

Here's what happened on the Star Princess one week after we were on it and they think a cigarette caused this fire.

 

 

I remember reading about the Star Princess fire, they said at that time they believed it was a series of events that caused it, one a cigarette was thrown, landed on clothing or towel on a balcony starting a fire, the fire was pulled back into the ship because of a balcony or more than one balcony door being open. All rule breakers and could of been avoided. Just because something is unlikely to happen doesn't mean it won't. Clothes do catch fire, ask my friend who was badly burnt when hers did.

 

After seeing the thread title, I was just waiting for this hoary old tale to come out to justify not smoking.

 

Let me say that I quit smoking 40 years ago, and don't particularly like smoke, and am one of the few on CC who have actually fought fires at sea, so I feel that smoking should be restricted to a degree, but I also feel that facts should be used for the argument.

 

Now, to the Star Princess. The findings of the investigation board stated "in the absence of any other cause, it is assumed that the fire was started by a cigarette. Note that they did not say it was "likely" caused by it, but that they couldn't find any evidence of any definitive cause, so they assume that it was a cigarette.

 

Next, the investigators also believed that the cigarette landed on a towel, however, they were not able to recreate combustion using a cigarette and a Princess towel, under ideal conditions.

 

Finally, the fire spread not because balcony doors were left open, but because the balcony furnishings, and the dividers themselves were flammable, and this caused sufficient heat to transfer the fire through the steel of the wall to the paint and furnishings inside the cabin, as well as melting out the balcony door.

 

Now, while smoking on the balcony is against the rules, and leaving items on the balcony is not recommended (because it may not be there in the morning), what folks here are trying to say is what is known as the "swiss cheese" analogy of root cause analysis of an incident. If the cigarette butt is not thrown off the balcony, even if the shirt is there, there is no resulting fire. If the shirt is left on the balcony, but no cigarette is thrown, there is no resulting fire. The two "holes" of the cigarette being thrown, and the shirt being left out have to "line up" for there to be a "path" through those holes to the resulting fire.

 

Finally, for those who want to know how leaving a shirt on the balcony unattended could be a fire hazard, when the same shirt inside the cabin is not? Suppose the shirt is blown off the balcony, and covers an air intake grid on the side of the ship. The fan that is drawing air through this grid will start to work harder trying to draw air through a smaller, or completely blocked, opening. This could cause the fan bearings to overheat, or the drive v-belt to start slipping, causing the belts to catch fire. Another example of the swiss cheese analogy, where everything has to line up to achieve the disasterous result, and why risk management makes rules, instructions, and guidelines to keep the holes from lining up, like not leaving combustible material on the balcony.

[tullers]

I know what your post was about, but it also showed that not only throwing a cigarette over board is a fire hazard and breaking the rules, but leaving stuff on the balcony is the same fire hazard and for obvious good reasons against the rules as well. But you might just want to chose the rules for others to obey, while it´s up to you to ignore other rules.

The reasons for not leaving objects on the balcony is not a "fire hazard" as you say but they can become debris/projectiles much like the cigarette which may not have been thrown overboard but may have been dropped accidentally.

 

Don't be so pedantic.