Viking Sky position, adrift off Norway Coast and evacuating Passengers & Crew

[garycarla]

30 minutes ago, jagsfan said:

I could have sworn early on I saw 1300  passengers. Thought crew was in addition. 

930 pax is a pretty small ship, today. 

 

Reading other posts or a 30 second google search would answer your issue.

[garycarla]

27 minutes ago, Daniel A said:

Will you take your children on  the same Viking cruise until the report comes out?

No children on Viking Ocean.  Non issue.

[just_dont]

I consider it in very poor taste to already by discussing that to these passengers and then I do believe "the waiver" at a time where these people are still vulnerable.  You do not live thru an experience like that with titanic type events(the stuff crashing around) and need some time to think. It seems they want to settle that right away. I think many of these passengers are pretty smart and will wait. 

And I consider it in very poor taste to be talking about the "inevitable" lawsuits, attorneys' investigators and the involvement of the US Coast Guard (?!)
I'm sure there will be a *maritime* investigation, but believe it would be highly unlikely to result in anything criminal.
And a civil suit in Norway - especially if waivers have been signed (or even if they weren't, but in consideration of everything Viking is apparently doing for the passengers involved) - seems far from a certainty.

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[jagsfan]

5 hours ago, Dekksguten said:

Thanks. English is not my first language, but I still shouldn't have messed that one up. 

I am in awe of and respect anyone who speaks more than one language. 

 

[Cienfuegos]

The US TV coverage has been generally quite positive about the professionalism of the crew and the Norwegian rescue teams.  In spite of passengers watching cascading furniture, huddled in stair wells, etc.

[just_dont]

Will you take your children on  the same Viking cruise until the report comes out?

I would. In a heartbeat.
They're 27 and 33, so I can.

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[jiminyC_fan]

11 minutes ago, Daniel A said:

The PAX wouldn't need to sue if they were treated fairly in the first place.

You need to STOP.

[AmazedByCruising]

16 minutes ago, Daniel A said:

The PAX wouldn't need to sue if they were treated fairly in the first place.

 

All I've seen is a very professional Captain, a very nice offer by Viking, and very grateful passengers. I really don't understand why people are already searching for reasons to sue Viking when there's no reason whatsoever to suspect they did anything wrong!

Edited March 25, 2019 by AmazedByCruising

[CILCIANRQTS]

12 minutes ago, cruiserchuck said:

 

The Terms and Conditions (on the US website) do not contain an arbitration clause.  

 

https://www.vikingcruises.com/terms-conditions/index.html

 

 

And claims for injury, illness or death are governed by the laws of Switzerland and must be litigated in Basel.

[Daniel A]

16 minutes ago, cepeterson said:

 

Our children have children, so I guess we won’t be taking them along when we board the Viking Sky on May 6 in Stockholm. We are eagerly anticipating sailing with the Sky’s extraordinary crew, well proven under very challenging circumstances, not of there own making.

 

By the way, all that other speculation is just that, speculation, and certainly sounds like many “contributors” are assuming facts not yet in evidence.

 

Not a lawyer, but teach business and finance to lawyers.

So, I guess that means you aren't taking your children on a Viking cruise.  I don't blame you...

[kathy49]

3 minutes ago, just_dont said:

And I consider it in very poor taste to be talking about the "inevitable" lawsuits, attorneys' investigators and the involvement of the US Coast Guard (?!)
I'm sure there will be a *maritime* investigation, but believe it would be highly unlikely to result in anything criminal.
And a civil suit in Norway - especially if waivers have been signed (or even if they weren't, but in consideration of everything Viking is apparently doing for the passengers involved) - seems far from a certainty.

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this is a forum...a discussion and opinion board. No one here really knows anything about this particular case so my comments are just as valid as the next. Of course there will be law suits.  I never mentioned anything about the coast guard...not sure where that came from.  Passengers taking a cruise like this have trip cancellation/interruption insurance where they can certainly make claims that Viking does not cover.  

[Tom47]

1 hour ago, Clay Clayton said:

If anyone wants an apples to apples (well maybe golden delicious to Granny Smiths) here is a link to my comparison:

http://cruisinwithclay.com/2019/02/12/transatlantic-battle/

I enjoyed your comparison. I have never cruised with Viking or Norwegian.  I have never done a TA.  My cruises have been on Hurtiigruten, Celebrity, Azamara, Pearl Seas and Royal Caribbean.  DW says she will never go on Viking and we make joint decisions.  Engine failure on a 2 year old ship is a cause for concern.  But we do get Viking brochures.

[Cienfuegos]

Forbes magazine notes that the Norwegian coastal maritime authorities agree with the decision to take the ship to sea, although there will be a formal review of the situation.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel/2019/03/24/cruise-ship-crisis-over-479-guests-evacuated-questions-begin/#27fbd5326af8

[kathy49]

5 minutes ago, Cienfuegos said:

The US TV coverage has been generally quite positive about the professionalism of the crew and the Norwegian rescue teams.  In spite of passengers watching cascading furniture, huddled in stair wells, etc.

There are some passengers that have been talking to every media...I see the same ones on various media. There are many not talking so probably have to wait to be the big picture of what happened. I do think the crew did an outstanding job based on those that are talking.

[just_dont]

The PAX wouldn't need to sue if they were treated fairly in the first place.

All reports are that they ABSOLUTELY have been.

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[Daniel A]

2 minutes ago, AmazedByCruising said:

 

All I've seen is a very professional Captain, a very nice offer by Viking, and very grateful passengers. I really don't understand why people are already searching reasons to sue Viking when there's no reason whatsoever to suspect they did anything wrong!

Do you really consider almost crashing upon the rocks and needing helicopter evacuations to be 'nothing wrong?"

[CharTrav]

58 minutes ago, RDC1 said:

Not quite  on the Costa Concordia 696 out of the 3206 actually on board had not yet been to must drill

 

Collision occurred at 21:45 General alarm was given at 22:48.

And the brave captain bailed 45 min later and would not return to the ship leaving the rest of his crew to manage as well as they could. Let's not forget what happened there. And the captain was the one who delayed mustering the pax. Contrast that with yesterday and there is no comparison except as an object lesson in all the ways to do things wrong.

[Daniel A]

4 minutes ago, Tom47 said:

I enjoyed your comparison. I have never cruised with Viking or Norwegian.  I have never done a TA.  My cruises have been on Hurtiigruten, Celebrity, Azamara, Pearl Seas and Royal Caribbean.  DW says she will never go on Viking and we make joint decisions.  Engine failure on a 2 year old ship is a cause for concern.  But we do get Viking brochures.

I spent 18K on a Viking Cruise.  Worst Cruising experience of my cruising life.

[Atocha Shipwreck Gal]

3 minutes ago, Daniel A said:

Do you really consider almost crashing upon the rocks and needing helicopter evacuations to be 'nothing wrong?"

 Hi Daniel a. Clearly you have a problem with viking.  I have never cruised with them. Can you tell us all the scoop on why you are not fond of this line?

[jagsfan]

4 hours ago, CharTrav said:

For his dereliction of duty that lead to 32 deaths he was sentenced to 16 years in jail. Where he is today. 

Should have been life at hard labor without parole. 

[AmazedByCruising]

1 minute ago, Daniel A said:

Do you really consider almost crashing upon the rocks and needing helicopter evacuations to be 'nothing wrong?"

 

Unless someone comes up and testifies that the Captain was drunk, the procedures were not followed, something like that, yes. 

 

[BoundForSea]

I would moreso be interested in knowing how a vessel with 4 Generators, can in this day and age can be without power to the propulsion. Yeaterday the brand new Fincantieri Nieuw Statendam lost all power, as far as I know, with limited or no propulsion. Why is there not a standby Generator, with a seperate fuel supply (optional crossfeed to the main fuel supply if no fuel contamination is a factor), which is isolated from the main electrical system, that can supply power, limited if need be to the main propulsion and vital life systems, to keep the ship moving albeit slowly so it can be stabilized in high seas or moved very slowly toward land or safer waters. 

 

We’ve seen now a few instances lately where Fincantieri builds, new and old, are suffering from carastrophic or partial power issues. 

 

I believe the focus on the vessel and what happened to it as well as its design should be the focus. Im certain is was maintained properly, but what happened to caused a complete lack of available power. 

 

(keep in mind that the motors that turn the propellers are electric and powered by giant diesel generators) 

[Outerdog]

1 hour ago, Daniel A said:

You folks understand the Captain took that vessel into treacherous waters knowing he didn't have FULL engine power - one engine out for maintenance and he took 900 souls into treacherous waters not having his full compliment of power.  That is called arrogance.

 

And when this tripe comes out, you know it's time to leave the thread.

 

Glad everyone is okay -- as well as can be expected anyway.

 

 

So long!

 

[CharTrav]

Oh and by the way, to all you posters who were not on the Sky yesterday and raising all these concerns about liability,  investigations, waivers, and --- dear God --- lawsuits. Please --- give it a rest!!  This is not what the folks who were there need to be subjected to. There may be a time for finger pointing but not now. This is a time for words of encouragement and thankfulness. 

Edited March 25, 2019 by CharTrav

[GGrace]

1 hour ago, RDC1 said:

If you look at the area around lifeboats you will see some large cannisters, often in clusters in racks. These are the life rafts. What I don't know is how people are expected to get in these since they drop into the ocean.

On my recent Miami-Santiago (NCL Sun, December repo) cruise I studied the deployment instructions for the canister life rafts: quite visible on metal signs, in English, on the promenade deck if you pay attention to that sort of thing. (Of course I can't remember what the procedure was but it was interesting at the time. I think it involved harnesses and block-and-tackle to get crew members one-at-a-time down to the rafts.)

Edited March 25, 2019 by GGrace