And there goes November-- Cruises Cancelled!!

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27 minutes ago, beerman2 said:

I could name a couple of CC members that were pretty adamant November was a go. 😂 

I think it was the cruise line who said that. No?

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10 minutes ago, beerman2 said:

And that's the way it should be hopeful, not someone being arrogant about how it WAS going to happen.

 

 

What about those who are arrogant about how it's not going to happen when the cruise line says it will?

[Cruiseboy06]

keep on drinking that  Cool-aid if you think Carnival will cruise in December.

[beerman2]

15 minutes ago, xDisconnections said:

What about those who are arrogant about how it's not going to happen when the cruise line says it will?

Well when you have someone refute my November 1st sailing wasn’t happening due to timeframe and they say No Swami there is a cruise leaving Nov 2nd????

 

 

[chipmaster]

58 minutes ago, beerman2 said:

I could name a couple of CC members that were pretty adamant November was a go. 😂 

 

Reality distortion of some, I can think of a many more who live in an alternative reality not bounded by real world happenings 🤣

[Butterbean1000]

9 hours ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

I have heard RCI crew members have been contacted about returning to work to support cruises in December, so I think it is at least a possibility that Navigator and/or Mariner could return to cruising in December. On the other hand, I have still not heard a single word about Carnival crew members being contacted to return to work. 

Don't know how accurate this is, but there was a remark on JHs FB today stating they know a crew member and they said they have been contacted by Carnival to be ready to cruise in December. 

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10 hours ago, Tapi said:

I’m wondering if Carnival is still feeing confident about restarting something before the end of the year. I mean, just a few days ago they were saying that, on a scale of 1 to 5, they were feeling 4.5-4.9 confident that they will. 

We know what they will say to the public may be very different than what they say internally. I think the Navigator of the Seas will be the first ship to resume operations -- hopefully by mid-December. We'll see.

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23 minutes ago, Butterbean1000 said:

Don't know how accurate this is, but there was a remark on JHs FB today stating they know a crew member and they said they have been contacted by Carnival to be ready to cruise in December. 

It's likely. Since the second round of cancellations, Princess suspended operations through Dec. 16 with service to resume on Dec. 17. That's when I had assumed months ago for Carnival Cruise Line to return ( @skridge -- you can verify this by searching my post history... it's there).

 

Royal's Navigator of the Seas already started their process to recall crew and staff with the earliest known sign on date being October 24. Allowing for a few days to quarantine and continue picking up more crew, conduct internal training and trial runs and start to replenish any perishables or provisions, we're looking at a return sometime soon on a very small number of ships in the near future.

 

If Royal is getting ready, you can be sure Carnival isn't too far behind. There is more going on behind the scenes that we do not need to know about. They will tell us when they are ready.

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13 minutes ago, Cruiseboy06 said:

I totally agree.  They should come out and say we will be blocking all cruises for new bookings for next 3 months like December, January and February till the CDC LIFTS the no sail order or when they finalized and approve the protocols. 

They need the deposits coming in and they need as many bookings in place for when they eventually lift it. Staterooms are perishable. If it's left unsold, there is no chance to recapture that revenue -- it's gone. If they prevent you from making a reservation, that person may select a land based alternative and Carnival will not see the potential revenue. By doing it this way, their yield management system is working to attempt a perfect sell at the reduced capacity for when they do resume operations and keeps some type of cash flow coming in to assist with refunds and operating costs.

[jimbo5544]

7 hours ago, BallFour4 said:

Where are you on Alaska in May? The shore excursions alone pushed two grand, and they are paid for!

 

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While no expert, Alaska has a couple of huge roadblocks.  The first is the ok to sail and the second is getting the ok from the state.  Logic tells me, if one falls in line, the other should as well.  

[aztekpm]

43 minutes ago, jimbo5544 said:

While no expert, Alaska has a couple of huge roadblocks.  The first is the ok to sail and the second is getting the ok from the state.  Logic tells me, if one falls in line, the other should as well.  

 

3 - approval by Canada and believe me, government is in no hurry for the borders to reopen for tourists.

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48 minutes ago, aztekpm said:

 

3 - approval by Canada and believe me, government is in no hurry for the borders to reopen for tourists.

Technically, not necessary. Sail roundtrip from Seattle and forego the visit in Victoria or Vancouver. Sure, it’ll violate the PVSA but as long as the $300 per person (passenger) fine gets paid, what’s the big deal?

[dandeck]

Wife & I are Diamond.  Have 4 weeks scheduled mid Jan to mid Feb.  Those 4 final payments start being due the 18th of this month.  Getting too late for a vaccine before.  Even if sailing in Jan - Feb, at 68 yrs old, we aren't going.  Anyone having luck with applying deposits to future cruises?  BTW, these are "nonrefundable deposits".   

[dandeck]

12 hours ago, MsTabbyKats said:

If you charge double, and end up losing half your customer base....you're still bringing in the same $$$...but your expenses don't double.  So, more profit.

New target market.  I'm not saying "now"....but if cruising doesn't happen for a year + down the road.

Won't work.  Half as many passengers don't buy twice as many photos, drink twice as many drinks, take twice as many excursions, eat at specialty restaurants twice as often...

[dandeck]

9 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

 

You are an anomaly. The trend is the more experienced the cruiser, the cheaper they are.

 

If you pay the fare, Carnival is not losing money.

In many instances, if a passenger doesn't buy photos, excursions, drink alcohol...the line loses $ on that passenger.  Well know fact. 

   

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1 hour ago, dandeck said:

In many instances, if a passenger doesn't buy photos, excursions, drink alcohol...the line loses $ on that passenger.  Well know fact. 

   

Lol... nowhere near a true statement. Carnival absolutely will not lose money on a passenger who doesn't charge any incidentals to their onboard folio unless they are sailing under a discounted casino rate or a friends and family benefit. The fact of the matter is simple: the cruise line will not find them to be as profitable as someone who charges incidentals but it isn't a loss.

 

In the lodging industry, there is something called "Cost per Occupied Room." Historical data, especially from our friends at STR, will show the CpOR at budget hotels will be as low as $12 at budget-minded properties and as high as $75 in the luxury segment. A standard full service hotel with around 200 rooms most likely carries a CpOR at $25-33 per night depending on the amenities and type (hotel vs resort). For that room to be profitable, the room rate must exceed that amount and is generally just below the amount a franchised hotel is reimbursed should a guest redeem loyalty points to stay there (assuming occupancy is below 90% at most chains -- if above, different reimbursements are made that are calculated based on the night's ADR). The CpOR will include expenses such as wear and tear of the room, cleaning chemicals, labor/payroll and other various operating costs such as electricity and ordering linens.

 

Carnival's revenue management team is very talented and relies heavily on revenue optimization strategies. There is absolutely no way they would sell a room at a loss unless it's being comped from Ocean Players Club which is budgeted and direct billed differently.

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[BlerkOne]

1 hour ago, dandeck said:

In many instances, if a passenger doesn't buy photos, excursions, drink alcohol...the line loses $ on that passenger.  Well know fact. 

   

 

Perhaps in some alt-universe.

[sanger727]

13 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

 

You are an anomaly. The trend is the more experienced the cruiser, the cheaper they are.

 

If you pay the fare, Carnival is not losing money.

we are the opposite. Our first cruises were all inside rooms, 7 days, and barely any on board spend. As life as moved on in our careers our  purchasing power has increased. Now we will splurge for a balcony, choose longer cruises, and are more willing to spend on drink packages, specialty restaurants, and in the spa.

[FSHLOT]

36 minutes ago, sanger727 said:

we are the opposite. Our first cruises were all inside rooms, 7 days, and barely any on board spend. As life as moved on in our careers our  purchasing power has increased. Now we will splurge for a balcony, choose longer cruises, and are more willing to spend on drink packages, specialty restaurants, and in the spa.

This sounds like our first few cruises. Started with inside cabins, now we wont cruise without, at least, a balcony cabin. I dont drink alcohol as much as i used to. so no need for the drink package with us. We were going to book a cruise for Sept 2021, but as of now, we are at "Wait and see what happens" Mode. This is crazy times right now for cruising, just hope it goes back to some kind of normallcy. 

[richfret]

7 hours ago, dandeck said:

Wife & I are Diamond.  Have 4 weeks scheduled mid Jan to mid Feb.  Those 4 final payments start being due the 18th of this month.  Getting too late for a vaccine before.  Even if sailing in Jan - Feb, at 68 yrs old, we aren't going.  Anyone having luck with applying deposits to future cruises?  BTW, these are "nonrefundable deposits".   

Just changed my January cruise to May and I have doubts about that cruise sailing.  The only no problem transferring my  $500 deposit with Carnival was trying to communicate with my travel agent.  It took days for them to reply since their staff is so reduced.   If you made your deposit through a TA, you cannot deal with Carnival and it has to be the TA who does it.  Carnival did say if you were within a couple of days of your final deposit, they would get into the matter.  It was very frustrating but I finally got a call from the TA and the matter was settled.  I would have booked further into the year but I did not want to sail in the hurricane season and I already have another cruise booked for January, 2022.  Oh well, if the May cruise is cancelled, I could make the January, 2022 cruise a back to back assuming there is a Carnival.  Todays news is that the virus is getting worse in most states.  Yikes!

[PhillyFan33579]

2 hours ago, FSHLOT said:

This sounds like our first few cruises. Started with inside cabins, now we wont cruise without, at least, a balcony cabin. I dont drink alcohol as much as i used to. so no need for the drink package with us. We were going to book a cruise for Sept 2021, but as of now, we are at "Wait and see what happens" Mode. This is crazy times right now for cruising, just hope it goes back to some kind of normallcy. 

This sounds like us too. We started off always getting interior cabins because friends who introduced us to cruising said you only sleep in your cabin so no need to waste money on another cabin type. After several cruises in interior cabins, I got an upsell call to switch to a balcony for $150. I took it and since that cruise we always get a balcony cabin.
 

We would still book an interior cabin on a shorter cruise if that’s all that was available. We live in Florida and have booked several shorter cruises less than a week before the cruise. So far that hasn’t been an issue. However, in the current environment I wouldn’t book anything less than a balcony. I would go on a cruise tomorrow, but I wouldn’t want to risk being confined to an interior cabin if something went wrong during the cruise. 

[stellarose]

we booked two interior spa cabins for MG dec 21'.  I am hoping , as some in the cruise biz say, by October 21' things should be "normal".  still hoping. 

[ontheweb]

13 hours ago, xDisconnections said:

Nonsense.

 

They are excited to return to cruising on December 1 from a limited number of ports on a limited number of ships and are confident in bringing the fun back to you.

Did you just copy and paste an earlier message substituting December for November?

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12 hours ago, Bgcruising said:

 

I was hoping it would but wasn't sure. I dont mind being wrong though so either way. I'm hoping December is a go.

There is a large difference between hoping for and insisting they will be a go as some on this board do every month.

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12 hours ago, xDisconnections said:

What about those who are arrogant about how it's not going to happen when the cruise line says it will?

Unfortunately, they have been right.

 

I don't think they do not want cruises to restart in the USA successfully, they are just being realistic.