The vaccination olympics

[MicCanberra]

16 minutes ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

No, you're safe from that. The ACT has it's own statistical region. 🤣

I assume capital Region is everything east of Riverina and south of shoalhaven, excluding the ACT.

[OzKiwiJJ]

48 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

I assume capital Region is everything east of Riverina and south of shoalhaven, excluding the ACT.

It looks like it. Where does the alpine region fit do you think?

[NSWP]

3 hours ago, OzKiwiJJ said:

It looks like it. Where does the alpine region fit do you think?

Capital I reckon.

[onlyslightlymad]

Our govt is due to respond today to the epidemiologist recommendations re border reopening.  There may be some cruise clues.  I did like this analogy regarding the unvaccinated though.  I can't share the whole article because it is behind a paywall.

 

Being unvaccinated has been likened to keeping your house lights on at night during a bombing blitz: you're exercising your right to do as you please, but you're endangering yourself and everyone around you.

Those people aren't in much danger right now because the skies have been cleared in the form of our mostly Covid-impenetrable borders.

But that will change as the borders start to reopen next year.

If that is delayed, resentment towards those with the house lights still on might simmer over into resentment towards the Government for keeping the lid on Fortress NZ to protect them.

And the Prime Minister may find herself morally obliged to protect them if the unvaccinated cohort is large - but it would come at a political cost.

[RosieCanberra]

@onlyslightlymad

 

I agree, a great analogy. 

[Aus Traveller]

Onlyslightlymad -  Good article. Thanks.

[MicCanberra]

Tasmania leading the charge of states on Vaccination,  both territories  close behind.

[By The Bay]

12 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

Tasmania leading the charge of states on Vaccination,  both territories  close behind.

WA is dragging the chain and is at the back of the pack, in the race that is not a race.☹️

[MicCanberra]

I suppose some states, areas, suburbs have the jump on others purely due to the age demograhic. The older the population, the more eligible to have been fully vaccinated. 

[onlyslightlymad]

Here it is - the four step plan.  I guess we are in phase 2.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-the-plan-to-re-open-nz-home-isolation-shorter-miq-for-vaccinated-travellers/MPEMUWBNFGXQHDG7QJFV7GMMEU/

[MMDown Under]

Tasmania has the advantage being a small island state. Vic is a small state. Qld and WA have the disadvantage of being large states with Qld being decentralised.  nSW has disadvantage of having a large population in a medium size state.  I was surprised to see a photo of Goondiwindi on front page of Courier Mail re being most vaccinised. CHO at press briefing said the Govt vaccinated

all ages at once at small communities.  Makes sense!

[MMDown Under]

7 minutes ago, onlyslightlymad said:

Here it is - the four step plan.  I guess we are in phase 2.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/covid-19-coronavirus-the-plan-to-re-open-nz-home-isolation-shorter-miq-for-vaccinated-travellers/MPEMUWBNFGXQHDG7QJFV7GMMEU/

Thank you. MIQ. ?

[By The Bay]

5 minutes ago, MMDown Under said:

Thank you. MIQ. ?

Managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) charges allow the Government to recover some of the costs for MIQ. The aim of the charges is to share the costs in a way that fairly reflects the benefits to both the New Zealand public of having a robust system, and those who leave and enter the country.

[MMDown Under]

26 minutes ago, By The Bay said:

Managed isolation and quarantine (MIQ) charges allow the Government to recover some of the costs for MIQ. The aim of the charges is to share the costs in a way that fairly reflects the benefits to both the New Zealand public of having a robust system, and those who leave and enter the country.

Great idea. Kiwis could always leave and come back. Unlike Aust!  However more Aussies have left and come back than I realised. Seems to be two sets of rules!

[frantic36]

1 hour ago, By The Bay said:

WA is dragging the chain and is at the back of the pack, in the race that is not a race.☹️

 

We are a big State with lots of remote communities up North. Apparently in some of those indigenous communities the young are labelling it a "White man's disease" because our isolating & protecting them has gone well. Our government needs to learn from the NT government how to help them understand it is vitally important to their community to get vaccinated. 

 

Also because we don't have an outbreak at the moment our under 30's are discouraged from getting AZ vaccine. I checked for my sons at a major respiratory clinic and our GP and was told they can't get Pfizer yet and would have to jump through hoops and were still unlikely to get AZ. Hopefully next month they will be eligible because they are keen to get vaccinated .

[getting older slowly]

Maybe the figures   need to be  Vaccinated ( 2 shots ) and  in small print started Vaccination...

 

particularly with the time between shots with AZ.......

 

The Race which isn't on Sports Bet ??

[MicCanberra]

ACT is going into snap 7 day lockdown as at 5pm today, we have a case identified, had to have come from NSW

[By The Bay]

1 hour ago, frantic36 said:

 

We are a big State with lots of remote communities up North. Apparently in some of those indigenous communities the young are labelling it a "White man's disease" because our isolating & protecting them has gone well. Our government needs to learn from the NT government how to help them understand it is vitally important to their community to get vaccinated.

The problem with Australia opening up, is the requirement for all States to achieve 80% vaccination of the eligible population. That is when we reach Phase C, and the lifting of all restrictions on outbound travel for vaccinated Australians. We will be held up getting to Stage C, if some States lag others.😡

[MicCanberra]

2 minutes ago, By The Bay said:

The problem with Australia opening up, is the requirement for all States to achieve 80% vaccination of the eligible population. That is when we reach Phase C, and the lifting of all restrictions on outbound travel for vaccinated Australians. We will be held up getting to Stage C, if some States lag others.😡

True but at this stage, it is more about people being eligible and having the shots available than the hesitancy  of the public. Yes there are some anti Vaxer's, and  some more that are apathetic  but they are very few in reality.

[By The Bay]

8 minutes ago, MicCanberra said:

ACT is going into snap 7 day lockdown as at 5pm today, we have a case identified, had to have come from NSW

Or the person went into NSW?🤔

[frantic36]

20 minutes ago, By The Bay said:

The problem with Australia opening up, is the requirement for all States to achieve 80% vaccination of the eligible population. That is when we reach Phase C, and the lifting of all restrictions on outbound travel for vaccinated Australians. We will be held up getting to Stage C, if some States lag others.😡

 

Don't worry I am very frustrated with our slow roll out. For flu vaccines we usually do well, so maybe once we start having pharmacies able to give out vaccines that will also speed things up.  

 

Maybe having some sort of vaccine passport is the way to go especially for things like travel and going to sporting events. This might be the incentive for people to be vaccinated.

[By The Bay]

10 minutes ago, frantic36 said:

 

Don't worry I am very frustrated with our slow roll out. For flu vaccines we usually do well, so maybe once we start having pharmacies able to give out vaccines that will also speed things up.  

 

Maybe having some sort of vaccine passport is the way to go especially for things like travel and going to sporting events. This might be the incentive for people to be vaccinated.

Totally agree. A bit of carrot and the stick approach is needed to get people vaccinated, once supplies improve.😷

[By The Bay]

I have just re-scheduled my planned staycation in the Hunter Valley. I am now going for February, lockdown should be finished by then. 🙂 It is a bit like my re-scheduled cruises, they keep getting pushed back.☹️

[ilikeanswers]

8 hours ago, onlyslightlymad said:

Our govt is due to respond today to the epidemiologist recommendations re border reopening.  There may be some cruise clues.  I did like this analogy regarding the unvaccinated though.  I can't share the whole article because it is behind a paywall.

 

Being unvaccinated has been likened to keeping your house lights on at night during a bombing blitz: you're exercising your right to do as you please, but you're endangering yourself and everyone around you.

Those people aren't in much danger right now because the skies have been cleared in the form of our mostly Covid-impenetrable borders.

But that will change as the borders start to reopen next year.

If that is delayed, resentment towards those with the house lights still on might simmer over into resentment towards the Government for keeping the lid on Fortress NZ to protect them.

And the Prime Minister may find herself morally obliged to protect them if the unvaccinated cohort is large - but it would come at a political cost.

 

This morning just read this article from Germany:

Suspected saline switch sparks vaccine stir in Germany

 

And people say anti vaxers are only a danger to themselves🙄. 

[frantic36]

2 minutes ago, ilikeanswers said:

 

This morning just read this article from Germany:

Suspected saline switch sparks vaccine stir in Germany

 

And people say anti vaxers are only a danger to themselves🙄. 

OMG!!! I am shocked and horrified and hope that that she is deregistered and prosecuted. She was basically doing a Nurse Death and putting lives at risk.