Another Oasis-class to be built?

[leaveitallbehind]

Not true. Oasis and Allure were both built with retractable stacks to lower their air draft. Verrazano Narrows bridge was one of the bridges this feature was designed to accomodate.

 

She has already been under the Great Belt Bridge in Denmark with clearance of 213' (65 meters) with no problem.

 

I am aware of the retractable stacks. Just saying what the captain of EOS told us when specifically asked that question on our August Bermuda cruise from Bayonne. Guess he was wrong.

[tahqa]

Not true. Oasis and Allure were both built with retractable stacks to lower their air draft. Verrazano Narrows bridge was one of the bridges this feature was designed to accomodate.

 

She has already been under the Great Belt Bridge in Denmark with clearance of 213' (65 meters) with no problem.

 

I wouldn't say "no problem". She had to go at low tide and great speed so she would squat in the water.

 

 

I don't see Royal home porting a ship in a location where they would be dependent on the tides to get in and out.

[pspercy]

They also bought a bunch of WW2 "Mulberry" docks so can go anywhere:)

[berbet]

Originally Posted by Coqui of the Seas

Will an Oasis ship fit under the Verrazano bridge in NYC?

 

 

I wondered the same thing. I'd love for one of the Oasis class to be based at Cape Liberty.

[Tyler80]

From: http://www.*****.com/2012/10/05/royal-caribbean-calls-third-oasis-class-ship-rumor

 

We reported on Wednesday that a newspaper in Finland claims Royal Caribbean was getting ready to order a third Oasis-class cruise ship from STX Finland's Turku Shipyard.

 

Royal Caribbean spokeswoman Cynthia Martinez responded to the report by saying, "It's a rumor. We don't comment on rumors."

 

Martinez also added to a request by USA Today, "As we have done in the past, if/when we have something to announce, we will do so through an official company press release."

 

The rumored ship order stipulates that Royal Caribbean is looking for financial assistance from the Finnish government to help pay for the ship order.

 

If the rumor proves to be true, the third ship would be sister to Oasis and Allure of the Seas. It would also be the third ship Royal Caribbean currently has on order, with two other smaller ships known as "Project Sunshine" under construction in Germany.

[Tyler80]

From: http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/7976-world-city-america-takes-another-stab-at-obama-administration.html

 

According to World City America Inc., the Finnish government has agreed to finance a third Royal Caribbean cruise ship while the Obama Administration dictates that the American economy and American jobs will be preempted from competing in this US-driven market. World City advises that the U.S. Maritime Administration has arbitrarily dictated that the nation's ship financing program cannot be used to build cruise ships despite the fact that the cruise sector is the only segment of the international shipping industry that has consistently done well, year after year, for decades.

 

Stephanie Gallagher, president of World City America Inc., whose company has spent decades and over $60 million trying to capture a fair share of this U.S.-passenger-dependent industry, claimed that the Obama Administration has not only "missed the boat" of American opportunity to create and sustain thousands of new jobs and billions in new tax revenues, at no cost to the taxpayer, and with only managed risk, but that President Obama has gone further and dictated that the nations' ship financing program will not be used to access this huge market.

 

"It's a shot in the head," claimed Gallagher. "The Obama Administration, not unlike prior administrations, has enjoyed the foreign-flag cruise lobby largesse and largely ignored the fact that this U.S.-passenger-dependent industry competes with U.S. hotels, resorts, casinos, and other hospitality organizations without having to pay taxes or hire Americans."

 

"It's amazing to me," said Gallagher, "that the President bragged just last week that he 'walks the talk' when it comes to a level playing field and giving Americans a fair shot in the global economy."

 

"In reality," said Gallagher, "American passengers support a $40 billion-a-year industry that found a way to beat the system — to avoid hiring Americans or paying taxes on their multi-billion-dollar revenues."

 

"Our organization," she added, "found a way to compete by designing a superior product that Royal Caribbean has, in many respects, emulated with their 5,400-passenger Oasis-class ships. But we went further and found an internationally competitive way to build the ship here in America, to fly the Stars & Stripes, to pay taxes, to hire Americans, and to play by the rules."

 

"Having demonstrated that our plan would be economically sound, would not cost the taxpayers anything, would not increase the debt but would improve the deficit, the only way to push us off the cliff was to enact policy that preempted the nation's ship financing program from being used to build cruise ships. That's what the Obama Administration did," claimed Gallagher.

[tahqa]

From: http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/7976-world-city-america-takes-another-stab-at-obama-administration.html

 

According to World City America Inc., the Finnish government has agreed to finance a third Royal Caribbean cruise ship while the Obama Administration dictates that the American economy and American jobs will be preempted from competing in this US-driven market. World City advises that the U.S. Maritime Administration has arbitrarily dictated that the nation's ship financing program cannot be used to build cruise ships despite the fact that the cruise sector is the only segment of the international shipping industry that has consistently done well, year after year, for decades.

 

The Finnish gov't hasn't publicly agreed to any such thing, yet. It's possible that they have and it's just not been reported yet. This whole article is a press release from the World City folks just looking to grab some headlines. :rolleyes:

[wscott52]

I wouldn't say "no problem". She had to go at low tide and great speed so she would squat in the water.

 

 

I don't see Royal home porting a ship in a location where they would be dependent on the tides to get in and out.

 

Well, they didn't hit anything so no problems.

 

The squatting was just insurance and only gave them 12" additional clearance.

 

The Great Belt Link bridge has a clearance of 213'

 

Verrazano Narrows bridge has clearance of 228' at mean high water. I doubt they would be dependent on the tides.

[TravelerThom]

San Juan-@sea-Barbados-@sea-Curacao-Aruba-@sea-San Juan

No way would O-class fit under the Queen Juliana Bridge [185 feet tall] in Willemstad, Curacao. Is there any place else to dock on Curacao?

 

Thom

[TheMastodon]

No way would O-class fit under the Queen Juliana Bridge [185 feet tall] in Willemstad, Curacao. Is there any place else to dock on Curacao?

 

Thom

 

 

When I was there on the Adventure we didn't even enter the harbor, we docked near the entrance to it though. So the bridge wouldn't be a problem.

[negc]

No way would O-class fit under the Queen Juliana Bridge [185 feet tall] in Willemstad, Curacao. Is there any place else to dock on Curacao?

 

Thom

RCi ships, including Radiance class ships, often dock at the relatively new docking facility just outside the channel that goes past the floating drawbridge into Willemstad. It is within walking distance of downtown. No need to pass under the Queen Juliana Bridge. Assuming that the draft is sufficient and the pier is long enough, an Oasis class ship should have no problem docking there.

[CoronaCRZR]

From what I am reading it seems this is all a big rumor, and a push from Finland to get RCI to go for another Oasis ship at a reduced cost or preferred financing.

I do not think it was in any future plans of RCI to get a third ship, but Europe's financial crisis may make it very attractive.

 

Not sure they can afford another Oasis ship in addition to the Sunshine project.

[UNV-IT!!!]

From: http://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/7976-world-city-america-takes-another-stab-at-obama-administration.html

 

According to World City America Inc., the Finnish government has agreed to finance a third Royal Caribbean cruise ship while the Obama Administration dictates that the American economy and American jobs will be preempted from competing in this US-driven market. World City advises that the U.S. Maritime Administration has arbitrarily dictated that the nation's ship financing program cannot be used to build cruise ships despite the fact that the cruise sector is the only segment of the international shipping industry that has consistently done well, year after year, for decades.

 

Stephanie Gallagher, president of World City America Inc., whose company has spent decades and over $60 million trying to capture a fair share of this U.S.-passenger-dependent industry, claimed that the Obama Administration has not only "missed the boat" of American opportunity to create and sustain thousands of new jobs and billions in new tax revenues, at no cost to the taxpayer, and with only managed risk, but that President Obama has gone further and dictated that the nations' ship financing program will not be used to access this huge market.

 

"It's a shot in the head," claimed Gallagher. "The Obama Administration, not unlike prior administrations, has enjoyed the foreign-flag cruise lobby largesse and largely ignored the fact that this U.S.-passenger-dependent industry competes with U.S. hotels, resorts, casinos, and other hospitality organizations without having to pay taxes or hire Americans."

 

"It's amazing to me," said Gallagher, "that the President bragged just last week that he 'walks the talk' when it comes to a level playing field and giving Americans a fair shot in the global economy."

 

"In reality," said Gallagher, "American passengers support a $40 billion-a-year industry that found a way to beat the system — to avoid hiring Americans or paying taxes on their multi-billion-dollar revenues."

 

"Our organization," she added, "found a way to compete by designing a superior product that Royal Caribbean has, in many respects, emulated with their 5,400-passenger Oasis-class ships. But we went further and found an internationally competitive way to build the ship here in America, to fly the Stars & Stripes, to pay taxes, to hire Americans, and to play by the rules."

 

"Having demonstrated that our plan would be economically sound, would not cost the taxpayers anything, would not increase the debt but would improve the deficit, the only way to push us off the cliff was to enact policy that preempted the nation's ship financing program from being used to build cruise ships. That's what the Obama Administration did," claimed Gallagher.

 

Lets not turn this into a political bs thread.

[wscott52]

When I was there on the Adventure we didn't even enter the harbor, we docked near the entrance to it though. So the bridge wouldn't be a problem.

 

Except the Oasis class ships were designed without tenders. They could leave tenders on the island permanently but that brings it's own set of problems and costs.

[tahqa]

Except the Oasis class ships were designed without tenders. They could leave tenders on the island permanently but that brings it's own set of problems and costs.

 

Curacao doesn't use tenders. What the poster was referring to was the dock for Curacao that is on the island edge. The large ships can dock there without having to worry about going under the bridge.

[wscott52]

Curacao doesn't use tenders. What the poster was referring to was the dock for Curacao that is on the island edge. The large ships can dock there without having to worry about going under the bridge.

 

 

Ah, I see. Probably should read slower and type faster.

[lakelorain]

Originally Posted by Coqui of the Seas

Will an Oasis ship fit under the Verrazano bridge in NYC?

 

 

I wondered the same thing. I'd love for one of the Oasis class to be based at Cape Liberty.

Yes, as a previous poster stated, the Oasis will fit under the Verrazano Bridge. See Richard Fain's blog 11/3/2009. http://www.oasisoftheseas.com/chairmans-blog/?p=723

[Topo Gigio]

It's called the Mega Pier here in Curacao. You don't need to go thru the channel!

[richstowe]

Lets not turn this into a political bs thread.

As bad as "political bs " is the bs of World City America Inc itself. Try Googling the history of this company.

These people have been touting this cockamamie plan since the mid 90s. And thats all it is - a plan.

 

It seems their sole business operation has been to lobby the US government for loan guarantees

that they can use to start a ship building program starting with the biggest cruise ship ever.

If their business is anything more then this, I couldn't find it. What a fraud.

[big al]

My guess is Port Canaveral would be # 1 choice, followed by either NY or Cape Liberty...like many others here, I wish RCI would go to different ports of call like Tortola, Antigua ( which was on the ORIGINAL Oasis itinerary), St. Kitts, St. Lucia, and if Grand Cayman gets it's act together and builds a real dock, I'd love to see Grand Cayman back to the Oasis class. And those other ports I mentioned, if they want ALOT of $$, time to invest and start digging in their bays to get 6000 passengers in every other week....

 

Big Al

[andre4259]

They can't keep Oasis and Allure full. Same issue with NCL and Epic. If the do build it, it will push down the cost of travel. I'm all for that!

[Robo1098]

They have been able to keep them full so far. Maybe not forever but they have done it pretty much since 2009.

[Scotty G]

They have been able to keep them full so far. Maybe not forever but they have done it pretty much since 2009.

 

Re: Your Subject line "Full?"

 

Folks who have sailed Oasis and Allure often report here that there are many upgrades to Suites because they are NOT being sold. So "full" may be a misnomer vs. not getting all the revenue they planned for. :(

[bajathree]

They can't keep Oasis and Allure full. Same issue with NCL and Epic. If the do build it, it will push down the cost of travel. I'm all for that!

 

You can't compare Epic to Oasis/Allure...not even close....Epic is comparable to Freedom class and dozens of other ships cruise lines have as far as size... you have to remember....ONLY Oasis/Allure keep that designation as "LARGEST" cruise ships in the world.

[negc]

Except the Oasis class ships were designed without tenders. They could leave tenders on the island permanently but that brings it's own set of problems and costs.

 

It isn't that they were designed "without tenders" but that they were designed not to use tenders to transport passengers from the ship to the port and back. The time required to do so would significantly reduce the amount of time in port available to passengers.