Rare BillOh Posted January 22, 2016 #126 Share Posted January 22, 2016 People come here for answers???I thought they came here for validation or to escape boredom at work Humourous, if not somewhat factual. I'll admit to 40% answers, 10% validation and 50% boredom at work. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare fletch1027 Posted January 22, 2016 #127 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Humourous, if not somewhat factual. I'll admit to 40% answers, 10% validation and 50% boredom at work. :) Sounds about right...:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted January 22, 2016 #128 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Humourous, if not somewhat factual. I'll admit to 40% answers, 10% validation and 50% boredom at work. :) I believe I told someone who accused me of being negative that 70% of my posts were helpful/factual, 25% were humorous, and 5% were snarky. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzeluver Posted January 22, 2016 #129 Share Posted January 22, 2016 As for Labadee, if my sailing doesn't make it there, I hope it goes to Belize. I did read somewhere yesterday that Navigator was expected to go there today but they didn't. I really don't want another sea day or a Mexican port. The Dominican Republic would be my second choice. Since Belize is more than 1,000 miles from Haiti I am pretty sure you will not be going there if Labadee is dropped. You won't be going to Mexico either, for the same reason. Dominican Republic could be an option, assuming there is docking space available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BillOh Posted January 22, 2016 #130 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Since Belize is more than 1,000 miles from Haiti I am pretty sure you will not be going there if Labadee is dropped. You won't be going to Mexico either, for the same reason. Dominican Republic could be an option, assuming there is docking space available. Impossible to say without knowing more about what cruise they were referring to. Many Royal and X cruises that stop in Labadee also stop in Cozumel and extra ports. On a 7 day or longer cruise with enough notice those other ports aren't out of the question, its not like they have to go to Labadee and wave as they bypass the port. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tagsalong Posted January 22, 2016 #131 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Sorry, but we are on the VI now and have been told that we will not be going to Labadee next cruise. Jan 24 will be a "sea day". The Vision staff is now saying that Labadee has not been cancelled. They will continue to monitor the situation and will go there if it is deemed safe to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BillOh Posted January 22, 2016 #132 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I believe I told someone who accused me of being negative that 70% of my posts were helpful/factual, 25% were humorous, and 5% were snarky. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk I can believe that. Even times when I've disagreed with you, I haven't felt you were negative as indicated by the fact you are not on my growing list added to the ignore posts list where the continuously negative people end up. I added a new line to my signature to cut down on my snarkiness. I will admit to responding to a few old threads just because the unsolicited moderators seem to really hate that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddcan Posted January 22, 2016 #133 Share Posted January 22, 2016 My thoughts on the OP's original question.. Sorry.. a quick aside... As Canadians, we've been able to go to Cuba for for years now. There is a huge All Inclusive Resort market there. Lots of Canadians go there. It is the cheapest of the islands as far as All Inclusive resorts go. I've never been there, but have many friends who have, and they say it's like Dominican Republic (Punta Cana, etc), but the food in Cuba is worse. Anyway.. on Haiti: No, I don't think this is the "end" of Labadee for Royal Caribbean. These protests will go away. Royal has too much invested in Labadee, and too much opportunity to let this one slip so easily. Labadee really is a shining star in the Royal cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BillOh Posted January 22, 2016 #134 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Anyway.. on Haiti: No, I don't think this is the "end" of Labadee for Royal Caribbean. These protests will go away. Royal has too much invested in Labadee, and too much opportunity to let this one slip so easily. Labadee really is a shining star in the Royal cap. I've read many of your posts regarding this area with interest. I have to say, and use the term "my gut feel" (because so many people say things they feel and present it as fact) is your right. If the protests are related to the Royal/local relationship and if possible local corruption is involved with their dissatisfaction, we may not hear the facts and I assume much is being done behind the scene. Perhaps events of early next week may give us more insight. Edited January 22, 2016 by BillOh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted January 22, 2016 #135 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I've read many of your posts regarding this area with interest. I have to say, and use the term "my gut feel" (because so many people say things they feel and present it as fact) is your right. If the protests are related to the Royal/local relationship and if possible local corruption is involved with their dissatisfaction, we may not hear the facts and I assume much is being done behind the scene. Perhaps events of early next week may give us more insight. I have some co-workers in Haiti. The way I understand it is, the locals are upset that the government receives anywhere between $36,000 - $72,000 per ship visit....over 100k if 2 ships are in port, yet the local communities see little to no improvement. Stop the ships...stop the source of $$ to the corrupt government. As an aside, I've heard time and time again there has been opportunity for locals to benefit from excursions outside of Labadee. I've heard Citadel Laferriere bantered quite a bit. But if what I'm told is accurate, there's been no support from the government to make it logistically possible. Don't bank on what I'm saying being totally accurate. I don't know this first hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellsop Posted January 22, 2016 #136 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I believe I told someone who accused me of being negative that 70% of my posts were helpful/factual, 25% were humorous, and 5% were snarky. I think you nailed all three categories with that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WpgCruise Posted January 22, 2016 #137 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I believe I told someone who accused me of being negative that 70% of my posts were helpful/factual, 25% were humorous, and 5% were snarky. Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk I read someplace one time that 68% of statistics were made up on the spot to support opinions that had no basis in fact. I didn't believe it until I started following Cruise Critic. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouhunter Posted January 22, 2016 #138 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) I have some co-workers in Haiti. The way I understand it is, the locals are upset that the government receives anywhere between $36,000 - $72,000 per ship visit....over 100k if 2 ships are in port, yet the local communities see little to no improvement. Stop the ships...stop the source of $$ to the corrupt government. As an aside, I've heard time and time again there has been opportunity for locals to benefit from excursions outside of Labadee. I've heard Citadel Laferriere bantered quite a bit. But if what I'm told is accurate, there's been no support from the government to make it logistically possible. Don't bank on what I'm saying being totally accurate. I don't know this first hand. I've wondered for years why the government and Royal haven't managed to find a way to offer excursions to the Citadel. I suppose Royal could care less, just as happy to keep people contained in the fence buying booze and paying for cabana's...... Edited January 22, 2016 by bouhunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handy4u Posted January 22, 2016 #139 Share Posted January 22, 2016 http://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-16371-haiti-flash-labadee-port-calls-canceled-due-to-demonstration.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handy4u Posted January 22, 2016 #140 Share Posted January 22, 2016 http://www.icihaiti.com/en/news-16382-icihaiti-tourism-the-ath-regrets-the-incident-of-labadee.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handy4u Posted January 22, 2016 #141 Share Posted January 22, 2016 http://www.haitilibre.com/en/news-16385-haiti-flash-2nd-cruise-ship-canceled-in-labadee.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handy4u Posted January 22, 2016 #142 Share Posted January 22, 2016 https://mobile.twitter.com/jonwknowles/status/689941738165706752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeridan Posted January 22, 2016 #143 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I couldn't find a Cuba magnet anywhere! Hey now, easy on the magnet hate! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handy4u Posted January 22, 2016 #144 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Never been to Labadee and really hope the Oasis can stop there next Monday. I long to be barefoot on Barefoot Beach! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handy4u Posted January 22, 2016 #145 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Very interesting read by searching Labadee Haiti in Twitter. Local posts and different views on this whole topic. After reading I'm feeling we have about 85% chance of visiting this beautiful location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charger2008 Posted January 22, 2016 #146 Share Posted January 22, 2016 http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/28/haiti-plant-millions-trees-deforestation http://redgreenandblue.org/2009/05/10/haitis-poverty-is-directly-linked-to-deforestation-and-habitat-loss/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
setsail Posted January 22, 2016 #147 Share Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) I've wondered for years why the government and Royal haven't managed to find a way to offer excursions to the Citadel. I suppose Royal could care less, just as happy to keep people contained in the fence buying booze and paying for cabana's...... Really, rci has been trying to work this out for at least 6 years now http://haitiinnovation.org/en/2008/02/18/haitian-government-expands-agreement-royal-carribean#comment-8455 http://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/RCCL-will-launch-tours-to-Haiti-s-Citadelle-eventually Edited January 22, 2016 by setsail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katrina915 Posted January 22, 2016 #148 Share Posted January 22, 2016 There should definitely be some kind of compensation. Especially since I'll be there on Feb 1st. Part of the reason I booked this cruise is for labadee. Never been and have heard nothing but great things about it. Been to Labadee once and have no desire to go back. I don't see the attraction with the rocky beach. I would vote for RCI to pick another port permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquahound Posted January 22, 2016 #149 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Been to Labadee once and have no desire to go back. I don't see the attraction with the rocky beach. I would vote for RCI to pick another port permanently. ...or you can just walk over to the non-rocky beaches, like Columbus Cove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare John&LaLa Posted January 22, 2016 #150 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I read someplace one time that 68% of statistics were made up on the spot to support opinions that had no basis in fact. I didn't believe it until I started following Cruise Critic. :) One of my favorites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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