Royal Caribbean orders new Icon Class of 5,000 pax LNG fueled ships

[FalklandIslander]

According to this article the Fuel Cells will be able to run on Diesel fuel.

http://www.motorship.com/news101/shi...or-rccl-orders

 

As of 2016, it is not commercially viable (or close) to extract hydrogen from diesel to use the hydrogen in fuel cells. The main problem is simply too much energy is consumed in the process of extracting the hydrogen.

[gkbiiii]

Because the cruise lines are neglecting their moral responsibility to protect the lives of their passengers from aggression by nic addicts.[/QUOTE]

 

 

I am a non-smoker, but I feel this is total BS and you should stop it!

[FalklandIslander]

I am a non-smoker, but I feel this is total BS and you should stop it!

 

You're entitled to your feelings but it's a fact that the number of non-smokers killed per year by nic addicts is approximately 40,000 just in the United States.

[chengkp75]

As of 2016, it is not commercially viable (or close) to extract hydrogen from diesel to use the hydrogen in fuel cells. The main problem is simply too much energy is consumed in the process of extracting the hydrogen.

 

Oh, I guess you should contact PowerCell about that:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi_gpHa-9TPAhXJPD4KHU5KCIsQFghoMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.powercell.se%2Fproducts%2Fpowerpac%2F&usg=AFQjCNEwTDplJkM8F4__BQ7K3pVxMUnxrA

 

While you're at it, contact GM, because they've wasted 12 years of work since unveiling this prototype:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi_gpHa-9TPAhXJPD4KHU5KCIsQFgiJATAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewatlas.com%2Fgo%2F1720%2F&usg=AFQjCNErLneaZodNr_VF1kLbVOayEkXsgQ

 

And Nordic Power Systems might want to know that the plant they opened in 2012 isn't really working:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjppt7H_dTPAhWCyj4KHXY8BVEQFggiMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nordicgreen.net%2Fstartups%2Fenergy-storage%2Fnordic-power-systems&usg=AFQjCNHKNVndX6IkbwuLGik7u6m27plSXA

[poncho1973]

Do they sell aloe for that kind of burn?

[Biker19]

do they sell aloe for that kind of burn?

 

lol

[Biker19]

In related news, I see no application for a Trademark for Icon by RCI, though it did take a long time for Celebrity to apply for Edge.

[Biker19]

I was wondering if the 'Icon' class was really going to be a "new" class at all.

 

Icon might be the 'Quantum' class with new engines, new fuel and no 'Dynamic Dining'.;)

 

+1. Replace Ripcord with something that they can charge for.

[poncho1973]

Now lets start the speculation. Name, home port, slides?

 

All ships should have slides. PERIOD.

[KG1924]

Ok, this may be a very stupid question so I apologize if it comes off that way, but when they 5000 passenger they truly mean passengers only, correct? Meaning not including crew at all? When I first read the release I wasn't sure, but reading through these posts it seems like it's just passengers.

 

While I LOVE big ships, I was kind of hoping for "smaller" type ship but w/ the bells and whistles that the newer, larger classes have. Considering the smallest I've been on was the Carnival Miracle (I believe 90,000 tons...could be wrong) I don't have much experience in the small ship world :)

 

Wouldn't that be wonderful?? 180,000 ton ship with only 3500 other passengers?? A girl could dream....

[John&LaLa]

Ok, this may be a very stupid question so I apologize if it comes off that way, but when they 5000 passenger they truly mean passengers only, correct? Meaning not including crew at all? When I first read the release I wasn't sure, but reading through these posts it seems like it's just passengers.

 

While I LOVE big ships, I was kind of hoping for "smaller" type ship but w/ the bells and whistles that the newer, larger classes have. Considering the smallest I've been on was the Carnival Miracle (I believe 90,000 tons...could be wrong) I don't have much experience in the small ship world :)

 

Wouldn't that be wonderful?? 180,000 ton ship with only 3500 other passengers?? A girl could dream....

 

Freedom is 3,700 guests and 154,000 tons.

[FalklandIslander]

Oh, I guess you should contact PowerCell about that:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi_gpHa-9TPAhXJPD4KHU5KCIsQFghoMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.powercell.se%2Fproducts%2Fpowerpac%2F&usg=AFQjCNEwTDplJkM8F4__BQ7K3pVxMUnxrA

 

While you're at it, contact GM, because they've wasted 12 years of work since unveiling this prototype:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=7&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi_gpHa-9TPAhXJPD4KHU5KCIsQFgiJATAG&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnewatlas.com%2Fgo%2F1720%2F&usg=AFQjCNErLneaZodNr_VF1kLbVOayEkXsgQ

 

And Nordic Power Systems might want to know that the plant they opened in 2012 isn't really working:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjppt7H_dTPAhWCyj4KHXY8BVEQFggiMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nordicgreen.net%2Fstartups%2Fenergy-storage%2Fnordic-power-systems&usg=AFQjCNHKNVndX6IkbwuLGik7u6m27plSXA

 

Thanks for the links. I was aware of Nordic Power Systems. I wrote that they are not commercially viable in 2016, which I stand by. I didn't not write that no one is manufacturing any. Apples and oranges.

[FalklandIslander]

Ok, this may be a very stupid question so I apologize if it comes off that way, but when they 5000 passenger they truly mean passengers only, correct? Meaning not including crew at all? When I first read the release I wasn't sure, but reading through these posts it seems like it's just passengers.

 

Definitely only passengers, not crew. The ambiguity is whether that's 5000 passengers at double occupancy (two passengers per cabin) or at maximum capacity (every passenger bunk occupied). Based on the later information that the Icon class will be 200,000 GT, I'm guessing it will be 5000 passengers at maximum capacity.

[Pipo]

From the RCI fleet, what ships still have (if they ever had) gas turbines?

[FalklandIslander]

From the RCI fleet, what ships still have (if they ever had) gas turbines?

 

Only the Radiance class. Each has two GE LM2500+ gas turbines used to produce electricity for both propulsion and hotel services.

[MAHA]

I feel most likely the same criteria apply for the port in Baltimore, I believe the key bridge is the restrictive value.

 

I understand the potential economic hit to smaller ships, but it seems impractical to either lose the market from the port or some how raise the bridges.

 

 

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The Chesapeake Bay Bridge has similar height restrictions as the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore. If Maryland is going to continue to have a cruise port once the smaller ships like Vision class and Radiance class are no longer in the fleet, they would have to build a new cruise terminal south of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Probably not going to happen. There is a cruise terminal that does not appear to be used much in the Norfolk area, but parking is supposed to be a problem. Norfolk could handle the largest ships as there is a huge Navy presence there.

[ryano]

So much for a lot of people hopes that they would go smaller (Radience class size) for their next class of ships. This looks to replace Quantum as the second largest class.

 

People need to give up on those hopes. "Smaller" ships like Radiance class no longer fit Royals business model. Maybe Im just imagining things but I could swear it was Goldstein or Bayley that said there will never be ships that size again? I dont think we will ever see Royal build anything smaller than Freedom class.

[John&LaLa]

Definitely only passengers, not crew. The ambiguity is whether that's 5000 passengers at double occupancy (two passengers per cabin) or at maximum capacity (every passenger bunk occupied). Based on the later information that the Icon class will be 200,000 GT, I'm guessing it will be 5000 passengers at maximum capacity.

 

I'm sorry, I missed the 200,000 ton reference. When or where did that get verified.

 

never mind, I found it in a Torku release. "around 200,000 gross ton"

Edited October 12, 2016 by John&LaLa

[Biker19]

I'm sorry, I missed the 200,000 ton reference. When or where did that get verified.

 

never mind, I found it in a Torku release. "around 200,000 gross ton"

 

This is very early on - many details can change between now and 4+ years from now when the first steel is cut.

[London-Calling]

This is very early on - many details can change between now and 4+ years from now when the first steel is cut.

 

The gross tonnage has not been confirmed by RCI, but they obviously know it. 200,000gt sounds likely.

 

RCI will not be changing their minds about the ships size - the order/price is based on the statistics.

 

Here is a little slide show about Icon:

[chengkp75]

Thanks for the links. I was aware of Nordic Power Systems. I wrote that they are not commercially viable in 2016, which I stand by. I didn't not write that no one is manufacturing any. Apples and oranges.

 

RCI has now said that they will start testing fuel cells on an Oasis class ship in 2017, followed by new Anthem class ships as they come out.

[Biker19]

RCI has now said that they will start testing fuel cells on an Oasis class ship in 2017, followed by new Anthem class ships as they come out.

 

Wouldn't that be a big enough change that they couldn't do it while in service? None of the Oasis class is due for a dry dock will at least 2019.

[chengkp75]

Wouldn't that be a big enough change that they couldn't do it while in service? None of the Oasis class is due for a dry dock will at least 2019.

 

Depends on how large a fuel cell they are talking about for the testing. I imagine they would be looking at a megawatt or two of power (maybe 10-20% of hotel load), and this can most likely be brought in through the side ports, taken to the engine room via the existing e/r elevator, and installed while in service. They're going to have to find the space for this test, and it will take 4-6 months of work to modify the piping systems and the electrical system to make this work, but it could definitely be done in service if at this scale.

[Lloyd555]

'Icon of the Seas' on trademark site.

 

 

[CRUISEFAN0001]

'Icon of the Seas' on trademark site.

 

 

Great find there Lloyd. Seems fitting you'd uncover it.