Judge threatens to stop Carnival ships from docking In US

[sfaaa]

If true, Carnival's loss will likely be MSC's gain. MSC has been trying to get into the lucrative Alaska market for some years now without success.

[voljeep]

Jail time is the answer - from the Board of Directors, President, CEO's , the perps that did the job, and most

importantly ... the CAPTAIN of the ships involved, and the perps who did the coverup ... allegedly.

[lx200gps]

35 minutes ago, voljeep said:

Jail time is the answer - from the Board of Directors, President, CEO's , the perps that did the job, and most

importantly ... the CAPTAIN of the ships involved, and the perps who did the coverup ... allegedly.

Seems like the cart's pretty far out on front of the horse here. I certainly agree that anyone who actively took part in, or was aware of, the alleged illegalities should face severe punishment, I don't think that should automatically extend to every corporate executive of the violating firm. While they certainly do have ultimate responsibility and will have to face the music from a financial/corporate standpoint, sending a VP or President to jail for the actions of someone 37 levels down the corporate food chain is too extreme unless they knew anything of the wrongdoing. 

[chengkp75]

What people don't understand is that this probation was to change corporate culture, so the failure of someone down the ladder is a failure of management to implement a viable program of compliance.

[Coral]

27 minutes ago, lx200gps said:

Seems like the cart's pretty far out on front of the horse here. I certainly agree that anyone who actively took part in, or was aware of, the alleged illegalities should face severe punishment, I don't think that should automatically extend to every corporate executive of the violating firm. While they certainly do have ultimate responsibility and will have to face the music from a financial/corporate standpoint, sending a VP or President to jail for the actions of someone 37 levels down the corporate food chain is too extreme unless they knew anything of the wrongdoing. 

It depends - why would the employee be encouraged to do such a behavior? Culture or pressure from above?

 

It does seem like the very top of Princess are all about cutting at all costs. Maybe the pressure was coming from the top down.

[lx200gps]

26 minutes ago, chengkp75 said:

What people don't understand is that this probation was to change corporate culture, so the failure of someone down the ladder is a failure of management to implement a viable program of compliance.

Very well stated, and clearly the corporation as a whole needs an attitude adjustment, starting at the top. 

[Ep010835]

1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

What people don't understand is that this probation was to change corporate culture, so the failure of someone down the ladder is a failure of management to implement a viable program of compliance.

 

As usual, the Chief has nailed it. 

[elliair]

1 hour ago, lx200gps said:

Very well stated, and clearly the corporation as a whole needs an attitude adjustment, starting at the top. 

Yeah I AGREE, NOW BRING BACK THE HAPPY HOUR! 🙏

[oskidunker]

They should strap the ceo to a barrel chair and punch him overboard into the plastic jungle. 

[pms4104]

As a non-U.S. entity, incorporated in Panama and exempt from paying U.S. corporate income taxes, CCL's restitution should be an amount that is at least equal to the Federal taxes not required to be paid since this lying, pollution and coverup started.

 

As for punishment for those responsible ... I hope the courts show them no kindness nor mercy.

[bemis12]

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[DDG 41]

36 minutes ago, pms4104 said:

As a non-U.S. entity, incorporated in Panama and exempt from paying U.S. corporate income taxes, CCL's restitution should be an amount that is at least equal to the Federal taxes not required to be paid since this lying, pollution and coverup started.

 

As for punishment for those responsible ... I hope the courts show them no kindness nor mercy.

Your responsible as you cruised and you contributed to this pollution...

[oskidunker]

Will any people cancel cruises? I doubt it. 

[Expat Cruise]

1 hour ago, DDG 41 said:

Your responsible as you cruised and you contributed to this pollution...

Sorry but it is not the responsibility of the guest to see that the cruise lines follow the law. We as guest paid the cruise lines to provide the cruise, in exchange for that payment the cruise company agrees to provide a safe and enjoyable cruise as promoted and advertised. It is the job of the cruise lines to provide ships and crews that follow the law and still honor the agreement with the guests.

 

[MissP22]

Just now, oskidunker said:

Will any people cancel cruises? I doubt it. 

A few of the conservationists from California might, but the rest of the normal sailing people will still cruise just as before.

[USCcruisecrazy]

Very interesting how many on here want to play Judge, Jury, and Executioner.  I'm thinking about those outside of the cruise line employees that depend on those ships coming to port for their livelihoods.  IF they are purposefully negligent, I would hope the punishment is focused on CCL making retributions and not a punishment that will effect so many others outside the corporate structure.  I personally will continue to sail on Princess and enjoy the extra room from those boycotting.  Thanks in advance!!

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11 minutes ago, USCcruisecrazy said:

....and enjoy the extra room from those boycotting.  Thanks in advance!!

 

Boycotts don’t work. Never have. Never will. 

Except for those special folks, of course.  

[bemis12]

1 minute ago, Ep010835 said:

 

Boycotts don’t work. Never have. Never will. 

Except for those special folks, of course.  

 

Of course they don't.  Sometimes changes are made and people pat themselves on the back and ASSUME their boycott changed it.  But it did not.  Boycotts have only the most minuscule effect on a corporation, because almost nobody does it.

[USCcruisecrazy]

3 minutes ago, Ep010835 said:

 

Boycotts don’t work. Never have. Never will. 

Except for those special folks, of course.  

Yeah, I agree.  I was being facetious!  Of course, some of the comments seem to be confusing boycotting with striking...so those that are providing cash flow and those actually effected by the cash flow.

[bemis12]

Just now, USCcruisecrazy said:

Yeah, I agree.  I was being facetious!  Of course, some of the comments seem to be confusing boycotting with striking...so those that are providing cash flow and those actually effected by the cash flow.

 

I noticed that too.  Striking and government sanctions.  Those work, boycotts do not.

[sfaaa]

16 hours ago, oskidunker said:

Will any people cancel cruises? I doubt it. 

Doubt no more. I will be booking as soon as I can find more good cruise deals on Carnival.

[broberts]

Yes, we must all support lawbreakers. 

[sfaaa]

Only a fool would turn down a good cruise deal. But you are free to do your boycott thing.

[voljeep]

16 minutes ago, sfaaa said:

Only a fool would turn down a good cruise deal. But you are free to do your boycott thing.

some people have more Scruples ... like The Bionic Woman ...

[yukongold]

As egregious as the offense is, I really don't think the judge will follow through. It would have a tremendous economic impact on a lot of innocent people. Some other penalty is probably more appropriate.