You can blame the CDC, not NCL for the latest suspensions.

[beerman2]

2 hours ago, SeaHunt said:

Orange County FL (Orlando) is requiring masks while in public starting Saturday @ 12:01 AM 

 

 

 

 

https://www.wftv.com/news/local/face-masks-required-orange-county-beginning-saturday/SRVA7JX7PJCINK7ISPABIDH3BA/

 

Tampa is also going to require masks indoors starting at 5 p.m. Friday.

 

Key West is requiring masks until June of 2021.

 

 

[cscurlock]

Yeah, we are in trouble.  Went to a restaurant to pick up take out and took a look around and everything was just jam packed.  No social distancing or spacing of tables.  I was shocked.  So I can see why we are in this situation.

Add to that we are a major tourist destination which brings people from all over the world.  Who knows if people have it coming here or not. Will they follow any local rules? 

 

I also think besides the CDC and the local governments.  The cruise lines will probably have major issues dealing with the morass of issues moving crew considering a lot of them had to use their ships to get their crew home.  Countries have their own rules which the cruise lines have no control over.  So its not just our country that effects these cruise lines.   

 

I think someone at some point will challenge one of these mask rules in court since they say it violates their constitutionally granted rights.  We will see.  I am curious what the courts will rule on that. 

 

 

 

[harkinmr]

3 hours ago, boatseller said:

Look, if you not going to bother with any facts, please stop posting.  Florida had the recommended downward trend and we reopened.  No one thought that trend would continue, that's ridiculous.

 

Stop lying about CDC recommendations.  Business are following them and people are mostly going along.  Whether or not they should is a topic for debate.  All you're doing is trying to scare/shame people for getting back to life.  Not gonna work.

 

I still expect Carnival to resume in August because by then, there will be no legitimate reason to stop them.  If people are willing to cruise and accept the risk, let them cruise (that will be an us come September).  Cases attributed to cruising will be insignificant compared to the general population.

Absolutely untrue!  I live in Florida and businesses and people, in very large part, are NOT doing what is recommended or required.  Almost instantaneously with reopening in May, mask wearing went down dramatically.  So did any effort at maintaining social distance.  It was like the virus had disappeared.  I have a hard time maintaining my patience with people these days in the grocery store.  First they don't wear a mask, then they get all up in my space.  One of these days I'm going to deck somebody!!  Major chain restaurants are doing a good job with what is required, but smaller, locally-owned places not so much.  No social distancing, no masks being worn by servers, no proper sanitizing measures, bars packed to capacity. Orange County is instituting a MANDATORY mask in public space rule as of Saturday.  Tampa is going to follow.  Miami mayor has said that they are through playing.  They are going to start shutting down non-compliant businesses...no warnings!  You think there's no problem with rising infections and the state is doing such a great job, think again.  Cases are on the rise.  And your August cruise will not be happening.  Guaranteed.   

Edited June 19, 2020 by harkinmr

[harkinmr]

53 minutes ago, beerman2 said:

Tampa is also going to require masks indoors starting at 5 p.m. Friday.

 

Key West is requiring masks until June of 2021.

 

 

It's about time!  People don't use common sense and behave themselves this is what you get.

[GratefulRIC]

On 6/17/2020 at 7:11 PM, seaman11 said:

i also blame the southern governors for letting pll be on top of each other so soon and triple the covid numbers. 

I’ll take the stones of the southern governors having their citizens try to get back to some sort of normal.  This thing is going to get you or it’s not... your apparent insatiable desire to get your behind in the buffet line while sailing away can stand second to an everyday fight landside.  Paychecks, jobs, mortgages, rent, don’t get squared hiding in the closet.  Get a flight to Cozumel, spend a week at the Explorean if you are so hell bent on getting away.  
 

We have to start somewhere with this.. not hide so maybe The Escape might be able to sail in November. 

[Bigbluegal]

On 6/17/2020 at 10:12 PM, wolfie11 said:

Disney and the airlines are requiring everyone to wear masks... many cruisers have stated they won't cruise if masks are required when you're outside your cabin.

We were on a flight last week and people took their masks off once on the plane.

 

[seaman11]

4 hours ago, GratefulRIC said:

I’ll take the stones of the southern governors having their citizens try to get back to some sort of normal.  This thing is going to get you or it’s not... your apparent insatiable desire to get your behind in the buffet line while sailing away can stand second to an everyday fight landside.  Paychecks, jobs, mortgages, rent, don’t get squared hiding in the closet.  Get a flight to Cozumel, spend a week at the Explorean if you are so hell bent on getting away.  
 

We have to start somewhere with this.. not hide so maybe The Escape might be able to sail in November. 

What does that have to do with jam packing a bar?  Yes work i agree however you are missing the point of ppl going wild and thinking this is some sort of hoax.  

[Friscorays]

A survey of a group of over 500 epidemiologists and infectious disease experts indicates nearly 2/3rds think it will take over a year before life is back to normal enough to attend a sporting event, concert or play (corresponding to time frame of hoped for vaccine development). 

 

Cruising was not on the survey but is at least as risky as the above activities.

 

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/life-return-to-normal-covid-19/

 

 

[beerman2]

6 hours ago, Bigbluegal said:

We were on a flight last week and people took their masks off once on the plane.

 

That was "last week" and things change weekly. Just watching the news and airlines are now saying they ARE going to enforce.

 

Yep I know they said that before , but seems their stance has changed. We will see, and yes someone will challenge it and not comply.  Make it a fineable offense if you don't and be escorted off the plane when they land.

 

It's sad we've gotten to this point!

[Love Blue]

16 hours ago, boatseller said:

 

Also noteworthy, NCL's plan has been to restart with their large ships, Bliss/Joy while Carnival is planning a mix.  Maybe NCL has determined it's better for them to start big.

 

Wondering whether the largest ships will allow more room to plan for physical distancing, provided that passenger numbers are less than capacity.

[boatseller]

12 hours ago, harkinmr said:

Absolutely untrue!  I live in Florida and businesses and people, in very large part, are NOT doing what is recommended or required.  You think there's no problem with rising infections and the state is doing such a great job, think again.  Cases are on the rise.  And your August cruise will not be happening.  Guaranteed.   

Where I am in Florida, face coverings are very common.  Keep in mind, if you not comfortable somewhere, don't go or stay.

 

No, there is no specific problem with the rising count in positive results because on it's own, that's a meaningless statistic because it is not an indicator of prevalence which we know is much, much, much, much higher than the official count.

 

Well, seems Florida does publish 1 chart showing result as a percentage which still hovers around 4% while number of test has just about doubled.  Hospitalizations are almost flat and fatalities are trending down.   We're handling it, on to Phase 2.

 

There is no credible reason to extend the NSO.  The same people willing to visit a theme park are the same people willing to cruise, let them, let us.  Any cases attributed to cruising will be insignificant within the general population.

[boatseller]

15 minutes ago, Love Blue said:

Wondering whether the largest ships will allow more room to plan for physical distancing, provided that passenger numbers are less than capacity.

Yes.  More room to distance and they're more efficient (less $$$ to operate) so cost/guest is lower which is more important when limiting capacity.

 

The larger ships also have more incremental revenue options.

[electro]

On 6/17/2020 at 10:02 PM, JAMESCC said:

But it's ok for Disney to open? It's ok for all the theme parks up open? It's ok for airlines to fly people around in a tube?
You cruise and you just used the BS Petri dish propaganda argument? You have to be kidding me m

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You are not in an airplane for 7 days and you can easily leave disney to go home to self isolate or go to hospital if necessary.

Not at all the same as being on a cruise.

[JAMESCC]

You are not in an airplane for 7 days and you can easily leave disney to go home to self isolate or go to hospital if necessary.

Not at all the same as being on a cruise.

Yeah ok, you are at airport with thousands of people, then you are in a tube where air does not circulate breathing in everything. You can't get away from anyone's germs in a plane. It is actually worse. There are absolutely no restrictions for flying, absolutely none other than what the airlines come up with on their own.

 

 

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[harkinmr]

17 minutes ago, boatseller said:

Where I am in Florida, face coverings are very common.  Keep in mind, if you not comfortable somewhere, don't go or stay.

 

No, there is no specific problem with the rising count in positive results because on it's own, that's a meaningless statistic because it is not an indicator of prevalence which we know is much, much, much, much higher than the official count.

 

Well, seems Florida does publish 1 chart showing result as a percentage which still hovers around 4% while number of test has just about doubled.  Hospitalizations are almost flat and fatalities are trending down.   We're handling it, on to Phase 2.

 

There is no credible reason to extend the NSO.  The same people willing to visit a theme park are the same people willing to cruise, let them, let us.  Any cases attributed to cruising will be insignificant within the general population.

If you are going to quote my post, please quote the entire thing and not pick and choose statements.  

 

Infections are on the rise here in Florida.  Significantly so.  I disagree that there is no credible reason to extend the no sail order, and I believe that it will be extended not only because of increased infection rates around the country but because the cruise lines have not been approved to sail with final plans in place and that process has only just begun.  

 

And as far as your statement about being uncomfortable and "don't go or stay" that nonsense needs to stop. Neither you nor anyone else has a right to restrict my movement and put me at risk of infection because you don't want to abide by the precautionary measures.   The backlash on that attitude has already begun. Mandatory mask measures being instituted in many cities and towns here in Florida.   

Edited June 19, 2020 by harkinmr

[boatseller]

Just now, harkinmr said:

If you are going to quote my post, please quote the entire thing and not pick and choose statements.  

 

Infections are on the rise here in Florida.  Significantly so.  I disagree that there is no credible reason to extend the no sail order, and I believe that it will be extended not only because of increased infection rates around the country but because the cruise lines have not been approved to sail with final plans in place and that process has only just begun.  

 

And as far as your statement about being uncomfortable and "don't go or stay" that nonsense needs to stop.  Neither you nor anyone else has a right to restrict my movement and put me at risk of infection because you don't want to abide by the precautionary measures.   The backlash on that attitude has already begun.  Mandatory mask measures being instituted in many cities and towns here in Florida.   

I was only responding to two points and included those.

 

No, we don't know if infections is on the rise because the number of positive test is not an indication of that, it's only in indication of...wait for it...the number of positive test results.

 

"because you don't want to abide by the precautionary measures" Prove it or shut the heck up.  Stop lying about everyone else because that is exactly what you and a couple of our other friends are doing.  Shameful.

 

I'll follow whatever rules the proprietor has, never said otherwise.  Either find the quote where I say I won't or apologize now.

[harkinmr]

3 hours ago, beerman2 said:

That was "last week" and things change weekly. Just watching the news and airlines are now saying they ARE going to enforce.

 

Yep I know they said that before , but seems their stance has changed. We will see, and yes someone will challenge it and not comply.  Make it a fineable offense if you don't and be escorted off the plane when they land.

 

It's sad we've gotten to this point!

All the major airlines are now mandating face masks and one man (a conservative political activist) has been banned by American Airlines.  He was kicked off a flight Wednesday for refusing to wear a mask.  

 

https://news.yahoo.com/american-airlines-bans-man-refused-232047429.html

[harkinmr]

7 minutes ago, boatseller said:

I was only responding to two points and included those.

 

No, we don't know if infections is on the rise because the number of positive test is not an indication of that, it's only in indication of...wait for it...the number of positive test results.

 

"because you don't want to abide by the precautionary measures" Prove it or shut the heck up.  Stop lying about everyone else because that is exactly what you and a couple of our other friends are doing.  Shameful.

 

I'll follow whatever rules the proprietor has, never said otherwise.  Either find the quote where I say I won't or apologize now.

Not going to apologize.  Following the 'proprietor's rules' is not the same as exercising the precautionary measures recommended by the CDC, including wearing a face mask in public in order to prevent the spread of infection.  My grocery store does not have a mandate for face masks but I wear one anyway.  And you need to "shut the heck up" telling me or anyone else that they should just stay home.  A little bit of concern for your fellow man never really hurt anybody!!

[beerman2]

1 minute ago, harkinmr said:

All the major airlines are now mandating face masks and one man (a conservative political activist) has been banned by American Airlines.  He was kicked off a flight Wednesday for refusing to wear a mask.  

 

https://news.yahoo.com/american-airlines-bans-man-refused-232047429.html

News this morning American said they will let him fly WITH a mask on! There will be more to test the airlines for sure. 

 

People will be running to Dr. to get a medical condition form.

 

[Gershep]

This virus is a beast of its own. Too early for cruising, bars, Disney, Universal, etc.

[seaman11]

On 6/17/2020 at 10:12 PM, wolfie11 said:

Disney and the airlines are requiring everyone to wear masks... many cruisers have stated they won't cruise if masks are required when you're outside your cabin.

And you are supposed to wear a mask inside any store or building here. Many dont.  Its mandatory here. 

[roger001]

I've noticed lots of opinions stated as fact without any source provided.   Opinions that "we" wish were to be true, maybe they are...but then maybe not.    But then FB also would be nothing without that bit of human nature acting.   

[boatseller]

3 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Not going to apologize.  Following the 'proprietor's rules' is not the same as exercising the precautionary measures recommended by the CDC, including wearing a face mask in public in order to prevent the spread of infection.  My grocery store does not have a mandate for face masks but I wear one anyway.  And you need to "shut the heck up" telling me or anyone else that they should just stay home.  A little bit of concern for your fellow man never really hurt anybody!!

Stop lying.  You can't prove any of these things.  And not apologizing for provable lying says a lot about you.

 

You need to find a new grocery store where you feel comfortable.  That's no one else's problem.  Just like you have the option to not cruise until you feel comfortable, but you have no standing to demand anyone else not cruise.

 

So...where did I say you should stay at home...oh, right, another total lie.  Seriously, lying about everything doesn't help your cause.  Try recommending people follow guidance and be conscientious instead of this "OMG, you're a terrible person because you don't do everything I think you should".

 

Also, check the actual guidance, you'll learn something.

[mking8288]

20 minutes ago, JAMESCC said:

Yeah ok, you are at airport with thousands of people, then you are in a tube where air does not circulate breathing in everything. You can't get away from anyone's germs in a plane. It is actually worse. There are absolutely no restrictions for flying, absolutely none other than what the airlines come up with on their own.

 

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Modern aircraft's HVAC system are designed differently and our resident CC chief has spoken also about this, as I asked him to comment on an info-update from AirChina on their aircraft.  That thread has been ... for whatever reasons.  HEPA filters and frequent air exchange, as often - completely - as every 3 minutes in a closed, pressurized cabin seemed to address - and apparently, not making it worse.  Cruise industry, however, has yet to come up with a CDC approved plan (still in discussion) to make changes, including the HVAC, as part of the overall - enhanced infection control/universal precaution measures to respond & address threats posed by possible presence of Covid-19 onboard.  

https://www.airchina.us/US/GB/promotion/Passengers - on modern aircraft ventilation design 

 

Along with wearing a mask and better social distancing, flying the aluminum tin can is  doable, not that I enjoy traveling these days in the "main cabin" with 29" or 30" seat pitch ... my first flights on a Boeing 707 and 747 was a good 34" pitch in coach class then, with hot meals plus a pre-landing snack going transcon. There are few reports of folks being community infected onboard a flight lately, that I've seen/read of.  The transit via the airport, concourse and boarding/deplaning - of course, pose risks of being exposed and infected ... since the virus can stay active on different common contact surfaces for varying duration, in addition to being airborne.  

 

We have 2 relatives working for the airlines and I can assure you that the crew, cockpit and ground personnel, even those that work in cargo operations, take the virus threat very seriously - doing all they can to protect themselves AND others - wearing a mask and using gloves, etc.  

 

 

[graphicguy]

The thing that everyone is missing, COVID 19 is here, and will continue to be here.  It's another virus that humans either adapt to living with, or they die trying (literally).  So, if you think you're going to go grocery shopping, go to the gas station, go to the bank, go to your church, etc and not be exposed to COVID 19, you're wrong.

 

Same with cruise ships.  Personally, I think cruise ships will be among the cleanest and virus free zones you could probably be in/on.  Anyone who has followed the cruise lines efforts to be not only cautious, but overly extremely cautious about cruising knows this.

 

From the "no self serve" at the buffets, to installing the highest air filtration systems they can use on a cruise ship, to taking temps of all passengers and crew, embarking or disembarking, at every port, to using antivirus ion diffusers throughout the ships, etc, etc, etc, I'd feel safer sailing than I would just doing my every day activities.

 

If you're that concerned, please...do not cruise.  No one will think any less of you.  However, I do feel safe cruising...safer than doing any other daily activity, quite frankly.  I will cruise.  I think 90 days is when you'll see the first ships set sail with passengers.  I hope to be on one of the first ships out of port.