TIPPING POINT

[cruisegirl1976]

12 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said:

Probably because it was just recently reported the first documented case of a person in the US being diagnosed with COVID-19 twice. The reports state it is a male, you said your friend is female, so something doesn’t add up. Of course the possibility exists you and/or your friend don’t live in the US. 

Do you think everything is reported?... like I said before.. the 1st time she had it.. was back in feb when they didn't have the testing.. she was in the hospital.. and they ran ever test.. got tested a couple time for the Flu.. came back negative.. , her doctors determined that she had covid a month after it all happened.. then she and her fiance were diagnosed with it back in May.. , so that would make it twice for her.. 

 

All I know is that the after effects for her are bad.. 

 

believe me or not.. I don't have to justify what I personally saw my friend go through and is still struggling with to this day.

[not-enough-cruising]

3 minutes ago, cruisegirl1976 said:

Do you think everything is reported?... like I said before.. the 1st time she had it.. was back in feb when they didn't have the testing.. she was in the hospital.. and they ran ever test.. got tested a couple time for the Flu.. came back negative.. , her doctors determined that she had covid a month after it all happened.. then she and her fiance were diagnosed with it back in May.. , so that would make it twice for her.. 

 

All I know is that the after effects for her are bad.. 

 

believe me or not.. I don't have to justify what I personally saw my friend go through and is still struggling with to this day.

THIS statement is EXACTLY why you can NOT trust any of the Covid numbers. Patient in question NEVER had a positive Covid test in February yet was reported as a positive test to the local HHS board a month post event. 
 

Beyond that, it is very unlikely she had the virus twice, IF February was indeed a Covid event (who knows) we do know now that 3 months later the antibody levels are still quite high and very likely to prevent a subsequent infection. 

Edited October 13, 2020 by not-enough-cruising

[cruisegirl1976]

5 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

THIS statement is EXACTLY why you can NOT trust any of the Covid numbers. Patient in question NEVER had a positive Covid test in February yet was reported as a positive test to the local HHS board a month post event. 

She was in the hospital in Feb,, and it wasn't reported.. cause at that point there was no testing,  then she got sick again in May..was out of work for 2 plus weeks sick in bed and that is when she got tested.. so it was only reported once.

Edited October 13, 2020 by cruisegirl1976

[not-enough-cruising]

1 minute ago, cruisegirl1976 said:

She was in the hospital in Feb,, and it wasn't reported.. cause at that point it there was no testing,  then she got sick again in May..was out of work for 2 plus weeks sick in bed and that is when she got tested.. so it was only reported once.

Your post states that medical professionals determined a month later that she had Covid, I guarantee you it was reported, I am in the system, I know how it works. This spring there was a 120 day “look back” period for healthcare systems to update diagnoses and back bill. 

[Domino D]

1 minute ago, not-enough-cruising said:

THIS statement is EXACTLY why you can NOT trust any of the Covid numbers. Patient in question NEVER had a positive Covid test in February yet was reported as a positive test to the local HHS board a month post event. 

Whether you trust Covid numbers or not, that is what the industry, country, and world are working off.  I think you should consider the difference between they are not 100% accurate and they don't matter at all.  Most things in life are not 100% accurate, but are still commonly used to make decisions.  Think about Hurricane Paths.  Different models, different paths, so we warn everyone in any path.  Your insurance rates are full of statistics that are far from 100% accurate. If the numbers are off by 15%.  If the false positive or false negative is 10%.  Do you really think we would have a different response?   Not believing the numbers are 100% accurate, is not the same as not believing their is a problem.  I get people seeing the problems in the numbers, but what do you think the impact of the error margin means?  We should be business as usual?

[not-enough-cruising]

1 minute ago, Domino D said:

Whether you trust Covid numbers or not, that is what the industry, country, and world are working off.  I think you should consider the difference between they are not 100% accurate and they don't matter at all.  Most things in life are not 100% accurate, but are still commonly used to make decisions.  Think about Hurricane Paths.  Different models, different paths, so we warn everyone in any path.  Your insurance rates are full of statistics that are far from 100% accurate. If the numbers are off by 15%.  If the false positive or false negative is 10%.  Do you really think we would have a different response?   Not believing the numbers are 100% accurate, is not the same as not believing their is a problem.  I get people seeing the problems in the numbers, but what do you think the impact of the error margin means?  We should be business as usual?

I believe the margin of error is great enough that we should most certainly be very near to business as usual and should have been all along with the rare exception of some small geographical areas

[cruisegirl1976]

Just now, not-enough-cruising said:

Your post states that medical professionals determined a month later that she had Covid, I guarantee you it was reported, I am in the system, I know how it works. This spring there was a 120 day “look back” period for healthcare systems to update diagnoses and back bill. 

did not know that.. , aren't they supposed to call you - meaning local state to see how you are feeling?. the only reason I ask that is cause in May  they reached out to clear her to go back to work.. , but they never did that back in feb after she was in the hospital..just curious

[Domino D]

1 minute ago, not-enough-cruising said:

I believe the margin of error is great enough that we should most certainly be very near to business as usual and should have been all along with the rare exception of some small geographical areas

I don't agree, but can't say for sure, so fair enough.  Appreciate your answer. 

Hope were all cruising sooner than later. 

[not-enough-cruising]

Just now, Domino D said:

I don't agree, but can't say for sure, so fair enough.  Appreciate your answer. 

Hope were all cruising sooner than later. 

Amen, brother, Amen!!

[mjkacmom]

43 minutes ago, not-enough-cruising said:

Your post states that medical professionals determined a month later that she had Covid, I guarantee you it was reported, I am in the system, I know how it works. This spring there was a 120 day “look back” period for healthcare systems to update diagnoses and back bill. 

I know a lot of people who had it but weren’t counted. In the beginning only the very sick could even get tested. If one person in a family had symptoms and tested positive, the rest of the family didn’t bother to get tested if they had symptoms. So many people were ill but unless they couldn’t breathe, they didn’t get tested (it was very very hard to get a test). My parents doctor had a lot of elderly patients and was treating many when he passed away from Covid (he was 63).

[vacationlover_mn]

My husband and I have varying levels of anxiety.  Even on a normal vacation, one or both of us worry about getting sick...  It got worse after he had VERY BAD noro at an all-inclusive in Jamaica.  So, the tipping point for me was realizing how nervous we'd be about passing the covid test at home, but then maybe testing positive at the port.  Or, if they do tests before each excursion (like they are doing on the European cruises right now), testing positive then.  Sadly, we will be waiting to cruise until there is an effective vaccine :(

[Iamcruzin]

On 10/11/2020 at 4:54 PM, not-enough-cruising said:

DAMN!! I thought this was a gratuity thread!!

Sucked me in too. It’s pretty said when a tipping thread holds more interest than the current collection of topics. To be honest I was just tuning in to see how fast a gratuity thread would morph into a Covid thread.

 

[not-enough-cruising]

1 minute ago, Iamcruzin said:

Sucked me in too. It’s pretty said when a tipping thread holds more interest than the current collection of topics. To be honest I was just tuning in to see how fast a gratuity thread would morph into a Covid thread.

 

Now there is a spin on things!!!

[Iamcruzin]

On 10/12/2020 at 2:23 PM, HBE4 said:

 

The whole "hospitals are padding the numbers to make money on Covid deaths" story started here.  Aside: Snopes is my friend.

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/medicare-hospitals-covid-patients/

 

Basically, it cost more money to treat a Covid patient so Medicare pays out more.  If hospitals were really making money by faking covid cases, NYC hospitals would be paving the parking lots in gold right about now.  Plus, why wouldn't they still be recording the 700+ cases a day like they did back in March, instead of today's single digits.

 

As conspiracy theories go, this one is about as strong as a house of cards in a hurricane.

 

To add how much money did the medical industry lose by not being able to preform elective procedures such as endoscopy, Colonoscopies and joint replacements along with follow up visits to primary and specialist office visits. It’s not like they are making money hand over fist with what the insurance companies are paying out.

[Dinglebert]

39 minutes ago, Iamcruzin said:

To add how much money did the medical industry lose by not being able to preform elective procedures such as endoscopy, Colonoscopies and joint replacements along with follow up visits to primary and specialist office visits. It’s not like they are making money hand over fist with what the insurance companies are paying out.

I'm so glad we don't have the US system of profit making from health.

[HBE4]

6 hours ago, dssking said:

Why not look at the numbers?  1.08 million people have died from Covid-19 (or so they say).  The CDC says that this is a pandemic.  1.35 million people died in car crashes last year.  Shall we ban cars due the extremely high number of deaths?  People are still cruising around in their automobiles daily (many with masks on, ALONE in the damn car).  Haven't banned automobiles yet........ 

 

Automobiles serve a useful purpose and are vital to the livelihood of the vast majority of Americans. 

 

Pretty sure Covid-19 virus does not serve any purpose other than to drive up cable news ratings and spark vigorous debates on CC.

Edited October 13, 2020 by HBE4

[CSHS1979]

On 10/12/2020 at 11:43 AM, RonPaula said:

I understand the fixation on death rates. We have data to back up what far too many families have experienced.  However, the lingering effects that have been seen by many patients is also troublesome.  They are dealing with cognitive, lung, and hearing issues plus debilitating fatigue. These individuals will not be able to contribute to our society much less be able to enjoy a cruise. 
 

Paula

 

Debilitating fatigue🤔

How convenient 

[flyguyjake]

5 hours ago, cruisegirl1976 said:

She was in the hospital in Feb,, and it wasn't reported.. cause at that point there was no testing,  then she got sick again in May..was out of work for 2 plus weeks sick in bed and that is when she got tested.. so it was only reported once.

There has been several reports in several countries of multiple infections. EVERY person handles Covid differently. There are sooooooooo many side effects from this that it's unreal. Now loss of hearing and ringing in the ears is a widely known side effect. So sure, you probably won't die but what will you have to live with long term? I do not want this. Period.

[Iamcruzin]

1 hour ago, Dinglebert said:

I'm so glad we don't have the US system of profit making from health.

It's a backwards system that has a conflict of interest. The insurance company needs to make a profit and they dictate  what is payed out for procedures, medication and visits. You would be shocked to see how little they pay out to the doctors and institutions.  

[Ocean Boy]

11 minutes ago, Iamcruzin said:

It's a backwards system that has a conflict of interest. The insurance company needs to make a profit and they dictate  what is payed out for procedures, medication and visits. You would be shocked to see how little they pay out to the doctors and institutions.  

Yes, multiple insurance companies that have no problem paying their CEO's millions of dollars a year instead of using that money to pay for medical care and those who provide it. However, when I need that care I'd much rather be in the U.S. than anywhere else.

[Iamcruzin]

1 hour ago, HBE4 said:

 

Automobiles serve a useful purpose and are vital to the livelihood of the vast majority of Americans. 

 

Pretty sure Covid-19 virus does not serve any purpose other than to drive up cable news ratings and spark vigorous debates on CC.

These people who keep comparing a world wide virus to deaths from car accidents and the flu after all of this time scare me more than the virus. Their attitude is the reason that the certain parts of the U.S. are having trouble moving past this and why people from 34 states have to quarantine when traveling to NY.

[Domino D]

5 minutes ago, Iamcruzin said:

These people who keep comparing a world wide virus to deaths from car accidents and the flu after all of this time scare me more than the virus. Their attitude is the reason that the certain parts of the U.S. are having trouble moving past this and why people from 34 states have to quarantine when traveling to NY.

I've wondered, How do they enforce that?

[Iamcruzin]

17 minutes ago, Domino D said:

I've wondered, How do they enforce that?

You are registered at the airport. You have to stay in NY for a minimum of 2 weeks. My MIL and SIL who live in Florida were going to come to visit for a week.  They would be staying at our house and we didn't have plans to do anything outside of the house. My MIL girl friend had paid a visit to her daughter in NY and only stayed a week. During that week they called the daughters house to check to see that she was there and she also received text messages. NY state fined her $2000 for returning to Florida before the quarantine ended. My son went to St Thomas in August. When he returned they called him at home a few times and texted him everyday. They asked if he had any symptoms and reminded him to quarantine.  If you drive they monitor you through the tolls as you pass through. Personally I assumed that you would be able to return home at anytime during the two weeks but apparently not. This makes it impossible for anyone to jump on a cruise ship if they are coming from one of those states and anyone who lives here would have to quarantine if visiting one of the islands on the list.  I don't see cruising happening for anyone in NY unless you are retired and can sit home for 2 weeks when you return. Those retired are in the high risk category.  It's just not worth all of that for a cruise experience with all of the restrictions.  I'm thinking that the old resorts in the Catskills may be making a comeback if this lasts another year. I think cruising should restart in Florida for Florida residents only. Since they are open without restrictions it wouldn't matter to them or the state anyway.

Edited October 14, 2020 by Iamcruzin

[Domino D]

1 minute ago, Iamcruzin said:

My MIL girl friend had paid a visit to her daughter in NY and only stayed a week. During that week they called the daughters house to check to see that she was there and she also received text messages. NY state fined her $2000 for returning to Florida before the quarantine ended. 

Thanks for posting. Very interesting.  Amazing, even though she returned to Florida and was out of their jurisdiction (lack of a better word) they fined her. 

 

[Iamcruzin]

Just now, Domino D said:

Thanks for posting. Very interesting.  Amazing, even though she returned to Florida and was out of their jurisdiction (lack of a better word) they fined her. 

 

She can pay the fine or be arrested when she returns to NY. Then there would be a court appearance and another 2 week quarantine.