New vaccine

[zap99]

2 hours ago, Castle25 said:

Maybe the UK have got it all wrong and the 'workers' should be done first 

 

 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/13/young-people-first-indonesias-covid-vaccine-strategy-questioned

It says they have not approved that vaccine for over 60's yet. Maybe the UK have got it right. Figures suggest so,🤣

[terrierjohn]

25 minutes ago, zap99 said:

It says they have not approved that vaccine for over 60's yet. Maybe the UK have got it right. Figures suggest so,🤣

Zap surely you realise the UK govt have got everything wrong about covid so far,  so presumably their vaccination policy MUST  be wrong as well.

[Adawn47]

4 hours ago, brian1 said:

That's why I didn't join the diplomatic service,bro.

Wise move bro😊

Sis

 

[majortom10]

With my limited medical knowledge it seems common sense to give the vaccine first to those that are at most risk of death or serious illness from any virus. The only reason for giving the young first in my eyes is to keep the economy of any country going but there is a balancing act  and dont think that the economy should come above the expense of many elderly people dying from the virus.

[wowzz]

Just now, majortom10 said:

With my limited medical knowledge it seems common sense to give the vaccine first to those that are at most risk of death or serious illness from any virus. The only reason for giving the young first in my eyes is to keep the economy of any country going but there is a balancing act  and dont think that the economy should come above the expense of many elderly people dying from the virus.

There are basically two reasons why the elderly are being vaccinated first. To stop the elderly dying or becoming seriously I'll, and secondly (and probably more importantly as far as the government are concerned, although they of course would deny it) to ease the pressure on the NHS.

 

[yorkshirephil]

1 minute ago, majortom10 said:

With my limited medical knowledge it seems common sense to give the vaccine first to those that are at most risk of death or serious illness from any virus. The only reason for giving the young first in my eyes is to keep the economy of any country going but there is a balancing act  and dont think that the economy should come above the expense of many elderly people dying from the virus.

Pretty much how I see it, I could make a case and debate it for various options, ie, giving it carers and nurses first as them spreading it are probably the biggest cause of covid deaths, especially in care homes and hospitals. I would hope that in a scenario like we have where the snow is quite heavy that any vaccine removed from storage that cannot be put back will be given to staff regardless of where their priority level is.

[zap99]

47 minutes ago, terrierjohn said:

Zap surely you realise the UK govt have got everything wrong about covid so far,  so presumably their vaccination policy MUST  be wrong as well.

Sorry, I forgot about their utter incompetence. Silly me. Indonesia must have it right after all. Don't approve the vaccine for the people who need it must be the way to go. I wonder if the Knight of Islington had picked up on that yet.🤣

[Dermotsgirl]

18 minutes ago, zap99 said:

Sorry, I forgot about their utter incompetence. Silly me. Indonesia must have it right after all. Don't approve the vaccine for the people who need it must be the way to go. I wonder if the Knight of Islington had picked up on that yet.🤣

Is that meant to be a dig at Keir Starmer?
 

I thought you didn’t like political comment on the forum 

[batholiver]

20 minutes ago, zap99 said:

Sorry, I forgot about their utter incompetence. Silly me. Indonesia must have it right after all. Don't approve the vaccine for the people who need it must be the way to go. I wonder if the Knight of Islington had picked up on that yet.🤣

Sorry, but aren't you the one constantly complaining when anyone dares make a post which you deem to be political? And frequently talking about going away whenever it happens, but always returning? Or is it only when posts don't suit your personal viewpoint?

[zap99]

1 minute ago, Dermotsgirl said:

Is that meant to be a dig at Keir Starmer?
 

I thought you didn’t like political comment on the forum 

You are right. I will try and do better. As I was typing he was on the news saying how we need to start using pharmacies to ' Ramp up ' delivery of the vaccine. I'm surprised nobody thought of that went through my mind. Sorry Dermotsgirl, won't do it again🤣

[zap99]

2 minutes ago, batholiver said:

Sorry, but aren't you the one constantly complaining when anyone dares make a post which you deem to be political? And frequently talking about going away whenever it happens, but always returning? Or is it only when posts don't suit your personal viewpoint?

Please see my reply and humble apologies to Dermotsgirl. I'm surprised you saw my post, didn't you block me 🤔

[yorkshirephil]

1 minute ago, zap99 said:

You are right. I will try and do better. As I was typing he was on the news saying how we need to start using pharmacies to ' Ramp up ' delivery of the vaccine. I'm surprised nobody thought of that went through my mind. Sorry Dermotsgirl, won't do it again🤣

I believe Superdrug and Boots are preparing to give the jab soon.

[zap99]

Just now, yorkshirephil said:

I believe Superdrug and Boots are preparing to give the jab soon.

That's right everyone new that a day,or to ago. I won't mention politicians and bandwagons.......whoops.🤣

[batholiver]

50 minutes ago, wowzz said:

There are basically two reasons why the elderly are being vaccinated first. To stop the elderly dying or becoming seriously I'll, and secondly (and probably more importantly as far as the government are concerned, although they of course would deny it) to ease the pressure on the NHS.

 

Very much so. We're already past the 100,000 deaths figure (20,000 was going to be a 'good outcome') and several thousand more are 'baked in' over the next couple of weeks. This, despite what some people might think, is serious and it's more, I think, about stopping the total collapse of the NHS (with all that means, and not just for Covid patients) than just easing the pressure. 

 

The much maligned Professor Neil Ferguson looks to have been right all along, despite his detractors - particularly as the much-quoted figures he used were on the basis of no action being taken.

[batholiver]

4 minutes ago, zap99 said:

Please see my reply and humble apologies to Dermotsgirl. I'm surprised you saw my post, didn't you block me 🤔

I haven't blocked anyone. To me it's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la! That's for Trump supporters avoiding facts.

 

There doesn't seem to be any rule against political posts now anyway, and how do you separate news from politics these days - the two are inseparable.

[brian1]

11 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said:

I believe Superdrug and Boots are preparing to give the jab soon.

Boots started this morning,it was live on GMB.

[jaydee6969]

13 minutes ago, yorkshirephil said:

I believe Superdrug and Boots are preparing to give the jab soon.

 

Superdrug in Guildford started this morning.

[jeanlyon]

Only certain branches though.  For instance there is no way our Boots could do it.  They have to be able to do 1000 per week.

 

We are only at 84,000 deaths so far.

[jaydee6969]

14 minutes ago, zap99 said:

I'm surprised you saw my post, didn't you block me 🤔

 

Unfortunately, if someone else quotes you, you still see them🤣🤣🤣.

 

Not that I've blocked you Zap🤪

[zap99]

2 minutes ago, batholiver said:

I haven't blocked anyone. To me it's the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going la la la! That's for Trump supporters avoiding facts.

 

There doesn't seem to be any rule against political posts now anyway, and how do you separate news from politics these days - the two are inseparable.

Absolutely agree, it's a fine line. What I object too is constant criticism of everything officialism does. Often by people who repeat the same old. On another forum folk were discussing the Brazilian variant. I thought beauty salons were closed🤣

[batholiver]

I'm looking forward to getting vaccinated fairly soon, and I've no great concerns over its safety. What does concern me though is its effectiveness when it's not administered in accordance with the testing protocols - particularly the Pfizer vaccine, where there's absolutely no evidence for its effectiveness if the second dose isn't given within the recommended timescale.

 

I can see the logic, but it is, in a sense, playing with fire. This was very interesting:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000qy0h  (Inside Science)

 

After the decision by the UK government last week to change the spacing between dosings of vaccine from the recommended 3 weeks to 12 weeks, immunologists around the world have been discussing with some urgency the wisdom of such a move. The FDA and the WHO are deeply sceptical, and the manufacturers have distanced themselves to some extent, by cautioning not to deviate from the regime tested in last year's phase III trials. The thinking behind the move is to get more people injected with a single dose in a shorter time, and that the longer wait for the second shot is worth the risk, if it means more people receive some level of protection in the short term.

 

Clinical Epidemiologist Dr Deepthi Gurdasani and Immunoligist Prof Danny Altmann of Imperial College describe to Marnie how evidence, experience and hunch are combining in the face of the covid crisis, and quite what we know, what we don't and what we could, about this nationwide experiment.

[jaydee6969]

14 minutes ago, batholiver said:

Very much so. We're already past the 100,000 deaths figure (20,000 was going to be a 'good outcome') and several thousand more are 'baked in' over the next couple of weeks.

 

 

Something I find strange on the BBC Covid-19 cases in your area webpage, is the actual deaths appear to be trending way below average for this time of year.  Are people not dying so much from the usual winter ailments??

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

 

 

[batholiver]

6 minutes ago, jeanlyon said:

Only certain branches though.  For instance there is no way our Boots could do it.  They have to be able to do 1000 per week.

 

We are only at 84,000 deaths so far.

The number of deaths depends very much on which measure you use to calculate them:

 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/13/more-than-100000-deaths-linked-to-covid-recorded-in-uk-13897951/

[yorkshirephil]

4 minutes ago, batholiver said:

The number of deaths depends very much on which measure you use to calculate them:

 

https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/13/more-than-100000-deaths-linked-to-covid-recorded-in-uk-13897951/

As Winnie said Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics. People will believe whatever suits their point of view or whether they are optimists or pessimists. I usually follow the national statistics office excess deaths, but that can't tell the full story as we won't know how many would have died without covid. The one thing is that it is too many and it is not going to start going down for a few weeks at least. The media will print whatever they want and some people will believe that.

[terrierjohn]

1 hour ago, wowzz said:

There are basically two reasons why the elderly are being vaccinated first. To stop the elderly dying or becoming seriously I'll, and secondly (and probably more importantly as far as the government are concerned, although they of course would deny it) to ease the pressure on the NHS.

 

It's fortunate that the UK vaccination roll out protocol satisfies both those aims wowzz, but I agree that ensuring the NHS is able to continue functioning is probably a higher priority for the govt.