Casino Comp Chick Posted November 30, 2020 #1 Share Posted November 30, 2020 New Zealand does not name parties per their laws but pretty sure Royal is included. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/world/asia/new-zealand-white-island-eruption-volcano.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted November 30, 2020 #2 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Casino Comp Chick said: New Zealand does not name parties per their laws but pretty sure Royal is included. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/world/asia/new-zealand-white-island-eruption-volcano.html Can’t see link. NY Times requires a subscription to view. M8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mo&fran Posted November 30, 2020 #3 Share Posted November 30, 2020 HERE IS A FREE LINK https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/white-island-volcano-charges-intl-hnk/index.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted November 30, 2020 #4 Share Posted November 30, 2020 Encouraging to see NZ government agencies being charged so it's not a total CYA blame the corporate world effort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULCajunCruiser Posted November 30, 2020 #5 Share Posted November 30, 2020 1 hour ago, mo&fran said: HERE IS A FREE LINK https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/30/asia/white-island-volcano-charges-intl-hnk/index.html Thanks for the link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogbay Posted November 30, 2020 #6 Share Posted November 30, 2020 2 hours ago, twangster said: Encouraging to see NZ government agencies being charged so it's not a total CYA blame the corporate world effort. But the tax payer is the one whom pays the fine . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted November 30, 2020 #7 Share Posted November 30, 2020 24 minutes ago, Hogbay said: But the tax payer is the one whom pays the fine . The taxpayer always pay when governments make mistakes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswallow Posted December 1, 2020 #8 Share Posted December 1, 2020 Taxpayers get to pay twice; for the award and for the lawsuit pursuing the award. Seems particularly stupid all around, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted December 24, 2020 #9 Share Posted December 24, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/24/royal-caribbean-takes-legal-action-against-survivors-of-new-zealands-white-island-volcano-disaster The cruise line Royal Caribbean has launched legal action in Australia in a bid to stop victims of New Zealand’s White Island eruption from suing it in Miami, where it has its headquarters. In litigation in Miami, American couple Ivy and Paul Reed, who were severely burned when the White Island volcano erupted a year ago, and Australians Marie and Stephanie Browitt, who lost family in the disaster, have accused Royal Caribbean of failing in its duty to keep passengers safe by allowing a day trip to White Island to go ahead despite warnings the volcano might erupt. But last week the cruise company applied to the federal court in Australia for a ruling prohibiting the families from going any further with their US lawsuits. Royal Caribbean, which is the biggest cruise company in the world, claims a clause in the ticket contract governing the voyage means courts in the Australian state of New South Wales are the only venue that can hear disputes over the disaster. The eruption, on 9 December 2019, killed 22 people who had been cruising on Royal Caribbean’s ship Ovation of the Seas, including Marie Browitt’s husband, Paul, and daughter, Krystal. A further 25 people were injured. The Reeds and the Browitts have filed separate lawsuits in the US against Royal Caribbean, seeking damages for the disaster. In their case filed in the US federal court system, Ivy and Paul Reed, who live in Maryland, claim that the eruption caused “severe, life-threatening burns over large portions of their bodies, permanent and disfiguring scarring, reduced use of their limbs and extremities”, as well as inflicting ongoing mental trauma and making it difficult for them to work. The Browitts claim in their lawsuit, which they filed in the Florida state court system, that “Stephanie Browitt was severely injured, suffering injuries that will last throughout her life, and both Marie and Stephanie Browitt suffered severe emotional distress, mental anguish, physical pain, loss of enjoyment of life, post-traumatic stress and other mental and/or nervous disorders.” The lawsuit also includes claims on behalf of the estates of Paul and Krystal Browitt, made under Florida’s wrongful death laws. White Island’s volcanic activity level increased in the weeks before the excursion to level 2, the highest before an eruption, and the Browitts allege that during the tour a guide told Krystal it was “nearing level 3” – an eruption. They allege Royal Caribbean either knew or ought to have known that the volcano was dangerous but went ahead and sold tickets to the day trip anyway in order to maximise its profit. “The sale of any tickets to the island was outrageous conduct, and nothing short of selling a ticket to play Russian roulette,” the Browitts allege. “This conduct was indecently cavalier, outside the bounds of decency and so reckless that it should not be tolerated in civilised society.” In their lawsuit, the Reeds also allege Royal Caribbean knew or ought to have known of the danger of eruption, but pushed ahead with the trip anyway. They describe the eruption in detail in court filings, saying they were “engulfed by a boiling cloud of acid gas, rock and ash” and that “Ms Reed recalls that her group resembled people walking away from the fallen Twin Towers of the World Trade Centre in New York City on September 11, 2001, except that the persons on White Island that day were horribly burned, in addition to being covered by white ash.” Royal Caribbean has not filed defences to either of the US cases, both of which were lodged earlier this month. However, in its Australian federal court lawsuits against the survivors, Royal Carribbean claims that both the Reeds and the Browitts are bound by ticket terms and conditions that restrict any legal action to the NSW courts. It has asked the court to make orders preventing the families from moving ahead with their US cases. The Australian lawyer for the Browitts, Peter Gordon of Gordon Legal, told Guardian Australia the family “didn’t get a contract that said anything about where suits should be litigated”. He said Royal Caribbean was defending other cases brought by victims in Miami, including one by newlyweds Lauren Barham and Matthew Urey. “We intend to protect and to defend Marie and Stephanie’s, and Paul and Krystal’s, right to pursue this case where the wrongdoing took place,” Gordon said. “And that wrongdoing that took place was at the headquarters of Royal Caribbean, where they turned a blind eye to all the evidence that White Island was ready to erupt.” Lawyers for the Reed family declined to comment. Royal Caribbean did not answer Guardian Australia’s questions about the lawsuits. “Our thoughts are with all those affected by this tragedy, however we do not comment on pending inquiries,” a spokeswoman said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merion_Mom Posted December 24, 2020 #10 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I'm pretty sure that Royal Caribbean is not "the biggest cruise company in the world." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocean Boy Posted December 24, 2020 #11 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Royal always had in their contract that any law suits against them had to be filed in Miami. Now they have changed their mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ourusualbeach Posted December 25, 2020 #12 Share Posted December 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Ocean Boy said: Royal always had in their contract that any law suits against them had to be filed in Miami. Now they have changed their mind? That is true for North American bookings. Bookings from other countries could have different terms and conditions. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hogbay Posted December 25, 2020 #13 Share Posted December 25, 2020 9 hours ago, Ourusualbeach said: That is true for North American bookings. Bookings from other countries could have different terms and conditions. Yes they do ie Australian price has to have all tax and fees in the price and there are laws to protect the consumer but if you are going to see a active volcano ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted December 25, 2020 #14 Share Posted December 25, 2020 18 hours ago, Merion_Mom said: I'm pretty sure that Royal Caribbean is not "the biggest cruise company in the world." Biggest by revenue, yes. Carnival is the biggest by number of passengers and Carnival Corp has the largest portfolio of cruise lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted December 26, 2020 #15 Share Posted December 26, 2020 11 hours ago, smokeybandit said: Biggest by revenue, yes. CCL revenue is much larger than RCCL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted December 26, 2020 #16 Share Posted December 26, 2020 11 hours ago, Biker19 said: CCL revenue is much larger than RCCL. https://cruisemarketwatch.com/market-share/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted December 26, 2020 #17 Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: https://cruisemarketwatch.com/market-share/ Thanks for confirming my statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted December 26, 2020 #18 Share Posted December 26, 2020 Just now, Biker19 said: Thanks for confirming my statement. That data shows that Carnival had $1.8 billion in revenue while RC had $3 billion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted December 26, 2020 #19 Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: That data shows that Carnival had $1.8 billion in revenue while RC had $3 billion. Read my statement again, we were talking about revenue at the overall corporate level, CCL vs RCCL, not individual cruise lines. Edited December 26, 2020 by Biker19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted December 26, 2020 #20 Share Posted December 26, 2020 CCL and RCCL are acronyms for the individual cruise lines. Carnival Corporation and Royal Caribbean Group are the parent companies for both, in which CC is larger. But, semantics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robtulipe Posted December 26, 2020 #21 Share Posted December 26, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: CCL and RCCL are acronyms for the individual cruise lines. Carnival Corporation and Royal Caribbean Group are the parent companies for both, in which CC is larger. But, semantics. Wrong again. RCCL was the parent company name which is now Royal Caribbean Group, RCG Royal Caribbean International (RCI) is still one of RCG cruise group lines. So that RCI parent name on that linked to chart is incorrect. See https://www.royalcaribbean.com/ Edited December 26, 2020 by robtulipe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare twangster Posted December 27, 2020 #22 Share Posted December 27, 2020 Sigh... only on CC. BTW... Which line offers the biggest hot dogs on board? Following this thread to see how this plays out in the different legal environments involved. Should be an interesting case study for a junior law class at IMO's IMLI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ourusualbeach Posted December 27, 2020 #23 Share Posted December 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, twangster said: BTW... Which line offers the biggest hot dogs on board? You trust them to tell the truth about the size of their wieners?🤣 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerman2 Posted December 27, 2020 #24 Share Posted December 27, 2020 46 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said: You trust them to tell the truth about the size of their wieners?🤣 1/2 foot 😂😂😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker19 Posted June 3, 2021 #25 Share Posted June 3, 2021 A hearing began Thursday into the deadly eruption on New Zealand’s White Island in December 2019 that killed passengers on a shore excursion from Royal Caribbean’s Ovation of the Seas. The two-day hearing is taking place in Whakatane District Court. Day trip tragedy As reported here, 38 people from Ovation of the Seas were on a day trip to White Island, or Whakaari, 48 kilometres off the coast of New Zealand’s North Island, when the volcano erupted. Many died and others suffered horrific burns. WorkSAFE New Zealand charges New Zealand’s workplace safety watchdog alleges 13 parties — 10 organisations and three individuals — were negligent in their duty of care to visitors to the island. They include Inflite Charters, ID Tours, Tauranga Tourism Services, White Island Tours, Kahu NZ, Volcanic Air Safaris and Aerius. The three people are the legal owners of the island — James, Peter and Andrew Buttle — as well as their ownership company Whakaari Management. Government agencies National Emergency Management Agency and GNS Science also face charges. Each organisation faces a maximum fine of $NZ1.5m and individuals $NZ300,000. Hearing into New Zealand volcano that killed Ovation passengers (seatrade-cruise.com) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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