Over two dozen carnival crew members test positive for Covid-19 on Carnival vista

[IloveCatsandCruises]

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2021/08/articles/uncategorized/over-two-dozen-carnival-crew-members-infected-with-covid-19-on-carnival-vista/?fbclid=IwAR2JVxhCrjT414T3Tm2xo0NpX3NGZS4NqnM9QofsDLbKNIdwUWosaBEvjG8

[arkaine23]

Wow.  That's more than 1% of the crew.   Makes me wonder what it takes for red status... simply on-going transmission among the crew cruise to cruise, breaking a 1.5%+ threshold in a week?

 

If the source is credible...

Edited August 11, 2021 by arkaine23

[Joe817]

[TNcruising02]

I'm not sure of the correct threshold, but when I was keeping up with the lawsuit, 1.5% infection rate was mentioned.  If the ship sailed with 3,000 people, then they could have less than 45 without reaching the threshold.  I think the cruise line is still safe, but is definitely being proactive with the testing and masks so they won't reach the threshold where the CDC will shut them down again.  The 1.5% was an arguing point made that the state of Florida thought it was too low for the cruise lines to be shut down again.

Edited August 11, 2021 by TNcruising02

[arkaine23]

8 minutes ago, TNcruising02 said:

I'm not sure of the correct threshold, but when I was keeping up with the lawsuit, 1.5% infection rate was mentioned.  If the ship sailed with 3,000 people, then they could have less than 45 without reaching the threshold.  I think the cruise line is still safe, but is definitely being proactive with the testing and masks so they won't reach the threshold where the CDC will shut them down again.  The 1.5% was an arguing point made that the state of Florida thought it was too low for the cruise lines to be shut down again.

There's only like ~1500-1800 crew IIRC. 

[sailingships]

5 hours ago, IloveCatsandCruises said:

https://www.cruiselawnews.com/2021/08/articles/uncategorized/over-two-dozen-carnival-crew-members-infected-with-covid-19-on-carnival-vista/?fbclid=IwAR2JVxhCrjT414T3Tm2xo0NpX3NGZS4NqnM9QofsDLbKNIdwUWosaBEvjG8

We won t know how many passengers. Some would have just gone on home.

[Brew12]

10 hours ago, arkaine23 said:

Wow.  That's more than 1% of the crew.   Makes me wonder what it takes for red status... simply on-going transmission among the crew cruise to cruise, breaking a 1.5%+ threshold in a week?

 

If the source is credible...

To go to red status the CDC must feel like the ship has lost control of the situation and either needs to pull into port ahead of schedule or requires outside assistance.

[firefly333]

I board vista in 32 days, so I hope that this outbreak dies and doesnt keep spreading. It does show how easily it can spread though. I'm still going and hope crew stays in isolation that are positive. Getting this variant to 0 will be impossible. 

 

I'm probably going to isolate a few days when I get back before I go around my elderly parents.

[Frank12]

1 minute ago, firefly333 said:

 

 

I'm probably going to isolate a few days when I get back before I go around my elderly parents.

We are going to do the same after our Magic cruise this week...just as a precaution.

[Honolulu Blue]

Yes, Mr. Walker is a notorious ambulance-chasing, anti-cruising lawyer.  That doesn't mean he's not right.  I'll assume this article and its stats are correct.  I'll quote what I found most interesting about it:

 

The 26 Carnival crew members who reportedly are infected for COVID-19 involve employees from the following departments on the ship: casino department -10 (including casino manager), restaurant and restaurant services department – 4, entertainment – 4 , guest services – 2, photo – 2, housekeeping – 1, and beverage – 1. The job positions of two crew members were not specified.

 

The infected crew members are reportedly quarantined in their cabins. We have no information regarding contact tracing of these ship employees’ close contacts.

 

I wish I knew the breakdown of employees on a typical cruise ship; perhaps some Behind the Fun veterans or true cruise ship geeks can illuminate?  My instinct tells me there are a whole bunch more housekeepers on the Vista than casino department workers, which kind of hints at where and how the outbreak started.

 

My instinct also tells me if you take 10 people out of the casino department, that's a big enough bite that gamblers will notice.  Maintenance will be slower, cashouts will be slower, fewer tables will be open...

 

The second thing is that I wonder if the crew have started to double bunk again.  At 50% occupancy you can use passenger cabins to make all the crew have their own rooms.  I'm not sure you could do that at 70%.  If they're double bunking and one of the crew is being quarantined, one of them have to go somewhere else.  

 

The third thing is that, from what I've heard from others (including past crew), cruise ship crew quarters are tight.  There's not much room for social distancing, so the employees' close contacts could include a bunch of the other employees.

 

The fourth thing is that I have a cruise on the Vista in 10 days.  This doesn't help my confidence in that voyage.  I was in the process of getting out of it before this, and I'm more convinced than ever that I made the right call for me.

[jfunk138]

10 hours ago, arkaine23 said:

Wow.  That's more than 1% of the crew.   Makes me wonder what it takes for red status... simply on-going transmission among the crew cruise to cruise, breaking a 1.5%+ threshold in a week?

 

If the source is credible...

I have to wonder if the CDC is intentionally avoiding assigning any "vaccinated cruise" red status.  Not exactly a ringing PR endorsement for the vax, to have an outbreak among fully vaccinated crew.

[asalligo]

1 minute ago, jfunk138 said:

I have to wonder if the CDC is intentionally avoiding assigning any "vaccinated cruise" red status.  Not exactly a ringing PR endorsement for the vax, to have an outbreak among fully vaccinated crew.

Yes, why do we keep ignoring the elephant in the room. All of these crew were vaccinated and they are clearly catching and spreading it.  

[EngIceDave]

38 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

I board vista in 32 days, so I hope that this outbreak dies and doesnt keep spreading. It does show how easily it can spread though. I'm still going and hope crew stays in isolation that are positive. Getting this variant to 0 will be impossible. 

It's not norovirus. It's aerosolized. They determined surfaces aren't the issue. They clean constantly anyway.....billions of tons of air will turn over between now and then

[EngIceDave]

6 minutes ago, jfunk138 said:

I have to wonder if the CDC is intentionally avoiding assigning any "vaccinated cruise" red status.  Not exactly a ringing PR endorsement for the vax, to have an outbreak among fully vaccinated crew.

Positive doesn't mean sick

 

They may have only been detected through routine testing.

May not have ever known otherwise.

 

Positive does not mean sick.

 

 

 

[jfunk138]

1 minute ago, EngIceDave said:

Positive doesn't mean sick

 

They may have only been detected through routine testing.

May not have ever known otherwise.

 

Positive does not mean sick.

 

 

 

The guidelines for red status say nothing about "severe infections".  "Positive cases" is supposed to be the benchmark.

[asalligo]

3 minutes ago, EngIceDave said:

Positive doesn't mean sick

 

They may have only been detected through routine testing.

May not have ever known otherwise.

 

Positive does not mean sick.

 

 

 

At this point it also does not mean not sick. We do not know. 

Edited August 11, 2021 by asalligo

[Mikeandliz]

The main stream media HATES THE CRUISE INDUSTRY. If this story is true. It would be everywhere by now. Until it comes out of reputable media outlets. I would give it zero credibility. And i hope im correct.

 

[EngIceDave]

3 minutes ago, jfunk138 said:

The guidelines for red status say nothing about "severe infections".  "Positive cases" is supposed to be the benchmark.

and there aren't there, correct?

 

I am only saying positive doesn't mean sick. People automatically think it means sick or that the vax is some suit of armor. 

 

You can be infected. You can spread it.

But you may not be sick. You might only get the sniffles or a mild flu.

 

Infected does not mean sick

[Joe817]

If, and I mean a BIG IF, this story is true, we won't know any details until the Vista docks back in Galveston this coming Saturday. UNLESS Carnival makes an announcement(which I highly doubt), or somebody onboard(passenger) is making an onboard review, and reports on it.

 

So far, dead silence from any source. I hope it's a nasty rumor. 

[Joebucks]

20 minutes ago, jfunk138 said:

I have to wonder if the CDC is intentionally avoiding assigning any "vaccinated cruise" red status.  Not exactly a ringing PR endorsement for the vax, to have an outbreak among fully vaccinated crew.

 

Considering that the CDC doesn't even count breakthrough vaccinated cases anymore, there appears to be no need to assign any vaccinated cruise any status. It seems these days that these labels are only to attack, smear, and create fear for the unvaccinated.

[lostsoulcruiser]

27 minutes ago, EngIceDave said:

Positive doesn't mean sick

 

They may have only been detected through routine testing.

May not have ever known otherwise.

 

Positive does not mean sick.

 

 

 

You are correct, but they can still shed virus and pass it along to others (crew and passengers).

 

Is anyone on the vista now and can they comment?  That is what I would like to hear.

[asalligo]

23 minutes ago, Joebucks said:

 

Considering that the CDC doesn't even count breakthrough vaccinated cases anymore, there appears to be no need to assign any vaccinated cruise any status. It seems these days that these labels are only to attack, smear, and create fear for the unvaccinated.

Scares the hell out of me that they are pushing a vaccine so hard that kinda maybe might reduce your symptoms if you catch it. Does not stop you from catching it, does not stop you from transmitting it to others, but we are going to require it even if you already had the virus and might be immune. My corporation says everyone must have it by October 31st or you are fired. This policy also applies to full work at home employees. 

Edited August 11, 2021 by asalligo

[ProgRockCruiser]

3 minutes ago, asalligo said:

Scares the hell out of me that they are pushing a vaccine so hard that kinda maybe might reduce your symptoms if you catch it. Does not stop you from catching it, does not stop you from transmitting it to others, but we are going to require it even if you already had the virus and might be immune. My corporation says everyone must have it by October 31st or you are fired. 

While the vaccine doesn't stop you from catching COVID 100%, it greatly reduces the chances.  And if you get it, your chance of dying is greatly reduced.

 

And again, if you do catch it, despite what has been reported about "viral load", it also appears that you still don't have as much of a chance to spread it, because you won't have the symptoms that encourage spreading (coughing, sneezing, whatever).

 

And lastly, it has been shown that having had COVID does not make you immune - there have been many second infections (I know of at least one at my workplace).  If you get at least one shot after having had COVID, it appears to offer the same protection as a double shot of the mRNA vaccines.

 

So, in summary, if everyone had the vaccine, the chance of catching it is vastly reduced (to the point where it theoretically could be wiped out), the chance of spreading it is vastly reduced, and the symptoms/chance of hospitalization is greatly reduced.  And with all those reductions, the development of new variants is greatly suppressed. 

 

Yes, the vaccine is a good idea for everyone.

 

 

[asalligo]

8 minutes ago, ProgRockCruiser said:

While the vaccine doesn't stop you from catching COVID 100%, it greatly reduces the chances.  And if you get it, your chance of dying is greatly reduced.

 

And again, if you do catch it, despite what has been reported about "viral load", it also appears that you still don't have as much of a chance to spread it, because you won't have the symptoms that encourage spreading (coughing, sneezing, whatever).

 

And lastly, it has been shown that having had COVID does not make you immune - there have been many second infections (I know of at least one at my workplace).  If you get at least one shot after having had COVID, it appears to offer the same protection as a double shot of the mRNA vaccines.

 

So, in summary, if everyone had the vaccine, the chance of catching it is vastly reduced (to the point where it theoretically could be wiped out), the chance of spreading it is vastly reduced, and the symptoms/chance of hospitalization is greatly reduced.  And with all those reductions, the development of new variants is greatly suppressed. 

 

Yes, the vaccine is a good idea for everyone.

 

 

The two percent of the fully vaccinated Carnival Vista crew that currently have the virus would appear to refute this point. I am just saying that people are believing in this vaccine because they want to, not because the data supports it. I understand why. You took it, so you really do not want it to turn out to be worthless. I am afraid that will be the consensus in a few years. 

[jimbo5544]

Oh brother.  The data does support that it works.