Pet Peeves In Luminae and Elsewhere

[misha1]

When I first started cruising in 2000, I fell in love with the way I was made to feel by the staff because I truly felt like I was treated the same whether I had an inside cabin or a suite.  BTW, first cruise was an inside, and I have considered it again due to recent pricing.  We have been fortunate enough to try all of the categories and have found that the so called entitlement (and that is really what this thread is about, isn't it?  Let the flaming begin) is really out there...maybe I just didn't notice it at first, because I didn't care.  One time I listened to a 10 minute...yes 10 minute, dissertation from a guest on my phone, who thought she had reached the Concierge.  She went on and on about the equality of the sheets and how they did not warrant the price she paid for the cruise.  That poor man if she ever found him, seriously. With Suite only restaurants and seating at events, and privilege allowed because the money was spent, it is kind  of a big turnoff.  Sorry us common folks who work super hard just to afford a vacation on a cruise ship are not more refined.  Why don't you find a Crystal or Seaborne cruise that might meet your very specific decorum needs.

I am not rich in money, but I am rich in happiness.  I won't stop cruising because of the few who might complain of my less than perfect ways..but I will wish them luck with their life, they will need it.

[zitsky]

1 hour ago, phoenix_dream said:

Prefer not to spend my time justifying my statements.  Let's just say there was a huge difference in how we were treated as a suite passenger versus how we are usually treated as an Aqua Class passenger.  Don't want to hijack this thread going back and forth with details.  I was thinking of starting another thread about my experience.  I may yet do that.

 

Please do.  Some would enjoy it. 

[swigso]

39 minutes ago, misha1 said:

When I first started cruising in 2000, I fell in love with the way I was made to feel by the staff because I truly felt like I was treated the same whether I had an inside cabin or a suite.  BTW, first cruise was an inside, and I have considered it again due to recent pricing.  We have been fortunate enough to try all of the categories and have found that the so called entitlement (and that is really what this thread is about, isn't it?  Let the flaming begin) is really out there...maybe I just didn't notice it at first, because I didn't care.  One time I listened to a 10 minute...yes 10 minute, dissertation from a guest on my phone, who thought she had reached the Concierge.  She went on and on about the equality of the sheets and how they did not warrant the price she paid for the cruise.  That poor man if she ever found him, seriously. With Suite only restaurants and seating at events, and privilege allowed because the money was spent, it is kind  of a big turnoff.  Sorry us common folks who work super hard just to afford a vacation on a cruise ship are not more refined.  Why don't you find a Crystal or Seaborne cruise that might meet your very specific decorum needs.

I am not rich in money, but I am rich in happiness.  I won't stop cruising because of the few who might complain of my less than perfect ways..but I will wish them luck with their life, they will need it.

Well said richness in happiness is a great way to live your life 

[Happy Cruiser 6143]

1 hour ago, dkjretired said:

It’s funny speculating on what would have happened if you had said no.

 

I would have told the CC host to take a hike.

[George C]

40 minutes ago, misha1 said:

When I first started cruising in 2000, I fell in love with the way I was made to feel by the staff because I truly felt like I was treated the same whether I had an inside cabin or a suite.  BTW, first cruise was an inside, and I have considered it again due to recent pricing.  We have been fortunate enough to try all of the categories and have found that the so called entitlement (and that is really what this thread is about, isn't it?  Let the flaming begin) is really out there...maybe I just didn't notice it at first, because I didn't care.  One time I listened to a 10 minute...yes 10 minute, dissertation from a guest on my phone, who thought she had reached the Concierge.  She went on and on about the equality of the sheets and how they did not warrant the price she paid for the cruise.  That poor man if she ever found him, seriously. With Suite only restaurants and seating at events, and privilege allowed because the money was spent, it is kind  of a big turnoff.  Sorry us common folks who work super hard just to afford a vacation on a cruise ship are not more refined.  Why don't you find a Crystal or Seaborne cruise that might meet your very specific decorum needs.

I am not rich in money, but I am rich in happiness.  I won't stop cruising because of the few who might complain of my less than perfect ways..but I will wish them luck with their life, they will need it.

Totally disagree that you are treated the same from inside to suite. I have done all categories many times starting in 1975, recently have gotten used to concierge and butlers , on some cruises I have seen lower suites not treated as well as higher suites , by the way I love suite restaurant luminae on celebrity, not so much as rccl CK. Cruise 66 we have a yacht club on msc then a Royal suite on celebrity, much more enjoyable than bunk beds on the great ship Ss Norway 

[SeaPete]

2 hours ago, dkjretired said:

It’s funny speculating on what would have happened if you had said no.

We did say no...refused to move.  Some people around us thought we were standing our ground while others thought we should have moved.  

[C-Dragons]

6 hours ago, MJSailors said:

C-Dragons

      Yes, sometimes men wear hats indoors for religious reasons. You may be referring to gentlemen of the Jewish Orthodox faith that do this.

However, I do not think these gentlemen would be wearing baseball caps,but rather black,felt brimmed hats. They most likely would be wearing a black suit and a white business shirt as well. 

       

A dear Jewish friend that we cruise with wears baseball caps during the day and wears a white, or black (depending on his suit color) broad brimmed hat for dinner. As I said before, it's just something to consider. 

[miched]

6 minutes ago, SeaPete said:

We did say no...refused to move.  Some people around us thought we were standing our ground while others thought we should have moved.  

Good for you.   I would have done the same.  What would they do, make you walk the plank?

 

Our first cruise after  we finally reached Elite offered the drink pack as a perk and we upgraded to premium.  We went to the Elite lounge just because we never been there.

 

There was a couple at the head of the line to get in and they made a B Line to the bar.  We sat at  a booth.   That couple at the bar had about 3 drinks before a waitress came around to us, they were hammering them down.   There was a male in front of us that already had two beers and when the waitress came to us he interrupted her to order another.  She told him that she  had to wait on others that haven’t received any.   I ordered a premium beer because of my drink pack.   We weren’t really in a hurry to get a drink and just enjoyed the people watching.   As the server came to give me my beer the male in front of us grabbed it off the tray.  And started to drink it.   It wasn’t in the HH list and she told him that he would have to pay for it.   He told her to F off.   She contacted security and they escorted him out.  
 

We went a few times on that cruise after that just to enjoyed watching the people and the same couple was always at the front of the line and sat in the same seats at the bar hammering down the drinks.  When I read your post I wondered of it was the same couple.   I told my wife we should try to beat them to their seats but I really didn’t want to wait 30 minutes or longer to be at the head of the line.  

 

After that cruise we no longer go  to that lounge as we have a drink pack and have other things to do during that time.  
 

Don’t know why someone that is Zenith would want to go there during HH as I think they get a premium drink pack as part of their perks and can go to any bar.  
 

Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅
 

 

 

[excitedofharpenden]

3 hours ago, C-Dragons said:

A dear Jewish friend that we cruise with wears baseball caps during the day and wears a white, or black (depending on his suit color) broad brimmed hat for dinner. As I said before, it's just something to consider. 

Hi Sherry. I think I know of whom you speak and I have absolutely no issues with what he wears in the evening. In fact I think he looks really smart!  It's the baseball cap thing in the evening I can't stand. The code as per the X website is clear on this. No mention of wide brimmed hats or kippas!  Shame it wasn't enforced that evening, but I wasn't about to make a fuss. No point. Just a detail. 

 

It was great to see you and Pat again on Eclipse 😎

 

Phil 

 

Edited November 22, 2019 by excitedofharpenden

[excitedofharpenden]

3 hours ago, miched said:

 

Don’t know why someone that is Zenith would want to go there during HH as I think they get a premium drink pack as part of their perks and can go to any bar.  
 

Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅
 

 

 

You said earlier on in your post about people watching. Also some like the social aspect of the happy hour, regardless of their status.  To meet friends for example. Of course you can also use your card to get a premium drink if you want it.

 

I prefer to get hammered on the good vodka. I don't have such a bad hangover the next day😁

 

Phil 

[Gordoncruickshank]

On 11/20/2019 at 10:58 PM, Happy Cruiser 6143 said:

My pet peeve in Luminae would be children playing on the floor.

Or climbing over the chairs

[Mark_T]

1 hour ago, excitedofharpenden said:

 

More than one version of the 'smart casual' dress code as well...

 

[Mark_T]

7 hours ago, misha1 said:

Sorry us common folks who work super hard just to afford a vacation on a cruise ship are not more refined.  Why don't you find a Crystal or Seaborne cruise that might meet your very specific decorum needs.

 

It really isn't about being refined or not, it is just about following the rules of the cruise-line  you decided to book with.

 

You might just as well say that if you wish to wear a baseball cap to dinner then find a cruise-line that allows that, instead of booking with one that doesn't...

Edited November 22, 2019 by Mark_T

[woodsmiths]

We always leave our pet called Peeved at home when we go on a cruise.  There’s too much to enjoy and be happy about on a cruise than to have to worry about her.  She gets along just fine at home.

[excitedofharpenden]

1 hour ago, Mark_T said:

 

It really isn't about being refined or not, it is just about following the rules of the cruise-line  you decided to book with.

 

You might just as well say that if you wish to wear a baseball cap to dinner then find a cruise-line that allows that, instead of booking with one that doesn't...

I totally agree with you.  Who said anything about being refined?  It’s following what you are asked and being respectful to others.  Big difference.

 

Phil

[4774Papa]

8 hours ago, miched said:

Good for you.   I would have done the same.  What would they do, make you walk the plank?

 

Our first cruise after  we finally reached Elite offered the drink pack as a perk and we upgraded to premium.  We went to the Elite lounge just because we never been there.

 

There was a couple at the head of the line to get in and they made a B Line to the bar.  We sat at  a booth.   That couple at the bar had about 3 drinks before a waitress came around to us, they were hammering them down.   There was a male in front of us that already had two beers and when the waitress came to us he interrupted her to order another.  She told him that she  had to wait on others that haven’t received any.   I ordered a premium beer because of my drink pack.   We weren’t really in a hurry to get a drink and just enjoyed the people watching.   As the server came to give me my beer the male in front of us grabbed it off the tray.  And started to drink it.   It wasn’t in the HH list and she told him that he would have to pay for it.   He told her to F off.   She contacted security and they escorted him out.  
 

We went a few times on that cruise after that just to enjoyed watching the people and the same couple was always at the front of the line and sat in the same seats at the bar hammering down the drinks.  When I read your post I wondered of it was the same couple.   I told my wife we should try to beat them to their seats but I really didn’t want to wait 30 minutes or longer to be at the head of the line.  

 

After that cruise we no longer go  to that lounge as we have a drink pack and have other things to do during that time.  
 

Don’t know why someone that is Zenith would want to go there during HH as I think they get a premium drink pack as part of their perks and can go to any bar.  
 

Happy cruising 🌊🚢🇺🇸🌅
 

 

 

miched,

Wow, your story about the guy grabbing your beer off the server's tray is amazing.  We have never seen this type of behavior on any of our 20 cruises.  I do wonder if the beverage packages encourage excessive drinking and this type of behavior?

[Mark_T]

13 minutes ago, 4774Papa said:

miched,

Wow, your story about the guy grabbing your beer off the server's tray is amazing.  We have never seen this type of behavior on any of our 20 cruises.  I do wonder if the beverage packages encourage excessive drinking and this type of behavior?

 

In this case it sounds more like a lack of a drinks package was prompting excessive use of the Elite free drinks period...

[misha1]

While I don't disagree that there needs to be a level of collegiality on board, and behaviour needs to be that of a good citizen, rules are really only guidelines aren't they?   If one becomes offended at minor "infractions" like wearing a cap, then life outside the confines of the little city we call a cruise ship must be so anxiety producing that benzos are required.  Lighten up, life is short.  Ignore it.  When the situation becomes law breaking (and I do not mean rule breaking) then there is a case.  Sorry I hijacked the thread, but the OP must have known that their opinion would raise a few oppositional opinions. 

[zitsky]

12 minutes ago, misha1 said:

While I don't disagree that there needs to be a level of collegiality on board, and behaviour needs to be that of a good citizen, rules are really only guidelines aren't they?   If one becomes offended at minor "infractions" like wearing a cap, then life outside the confines of the little city we call a cruise ship must be so anxiety producing that benzos are required.  Lighten up, life is short.  Ignore it.  When the situation becomes law breaking (and I do not mean rule breaking) then there is a case.  Sorry I hijacked the thread, but the OP must have known that their opinion would raise a few oppositional opinions. 

 

We don't make the rules.  We just (try) to follow them.  Any restaurant on land is free to make up their own dress code and can enforce it how they see fit.

[Mark_T]

24 minutes ago, misha1 said:

While I don't disagree that there needs to be a level of collegiality on board, and behaviour needs to be that of a good citizen, rules are really only guidelines aren't they?

 

Those words do not mean the same thing.

 

You may wish to consider rules to be guidelines and behave accordingly, but it doesn't mean you aren't breaking the rules if you do that.

 

Why is it so hard to follow the clearly set out rules that exist, or find a ship whose rules suit your needs?

 

It is more than a little disingenuous to  suggest that those who would prefer to see the rules followed are somehow over anxious and in need of medication.

 

Seems perfectly reasonable to me that there is an expectation that rules will be followed without needing state intervention to make them laws...

 

 

[C-Dragons]

6 hours ago, excitedofharpenden said:

Hi Sherry. I think I know of whom you speak and I have absolutely no issues with what he wears in the evening. In fact I think he looks really smart!  It's the baseball cap thing in the evening I can't stand. The code as per the X website is clear on this. No mention of wide brimmed hats or kippas!  Shame it wasn't enforced that evening, but I wasn't about to make a fuss. No point. Just a detail. 

 

It was great to see you and Pat again on Eclipse 😎

 

Phil 

Phil, I understand and agree agree with you.

 

Pat & I were thrilled to see you, and look forward to sailing with you again, hopefully in the not too distant future. 😊

[TeeRick]

How did a pet peeve about baseball caps turn into all hats of any type?  

[Tulsacoker]

35 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

How did a pet peeve about baseball caps turn into all hats of any type?  

Internet forums are fickle that way 

Edited November 22, 2019 by Tulsacoker

[Luvcrusn]

5 hours ago, excitedofharpenden said:

I totally agree with you.  Who said anything about being refined?  It’s following what you are asked and being respectful to others.  Big difference.

 

Phil

I'll really don't believe anyone says to themselves "I feel like wearing shorts and a baseball cap...I'd better book a cruise!" Once there, said person studiously peruses the suggested guidelines of dress and then chooses the cruise to fit their whims. I've yet to book a cruise where the paper or confirmation email included in large, bold highlighted text a dress code and rules of decorum. I'm happy if said paperwork or email includes the correct date, cabin, fare and perks!

[zitsky]

3 minutes ago, Luvcrusn said:

I'll really don't believe anyone says to themselves "I feel like wearing shorts and a baseball cap...I'd better book a cruise!" Once there, said person studiously peruses the suggested guidelines of dress and then chooses the cruise to fit their whims. I've yet to book a cruise where the paper or confirmation email included in large, bold highlighted text a dress code and rules of decorum. I'm happy if said paperwork or email includes the correct date, cabin, fare and perks!

 

Are you saying there should be no rules about dress code?