Get rid of the buffets already!...

[wowzz]

5 hours ago, sverigecruiser said:

 

And still some outbreaks are caused by sick staff. 

Proove it.

[getting older slowly]

15 minutes ago, clo said:

Nope. A staff member serves your plate.

 

I used Dictionary meanings actually......

 

Also some Buffets use a mixture of pre plated ,put on your our plate and Served by staff on \to your our plate......

 

And some Cafeteria use pre plated as well..served by Staff.

 

Pre plated... example    desserts     

Served by Staff onto Plate  example Roasted meat and Fish....

Put it on your own plate... example    Salads.... French Fries

 

Don.

[ilikeanswers]

Apparently Costa Cruises is ditching the buffet altogther, see number 7:

 

With Costa you travel safely

[wowzz]

57 minutes ago, ilikeanswers said:

Apparently Costa Cruises is ditching the buffet altogther, see number 7:

 

With Costa you travel safely

Given Costa's slightly unfortunate history, you have to love the title of their promotional material! 

[ontheweb]

13 hours ago, clo said:

We were just in a Reno casino for lunch/gaming and probably 90% were "close to brain dead" with no masks. I've already reported it to our governor and will be telling the owner of the casino - you know, one of those billionaires - that we won't be darkening his door until/unless it changes.

Somehow, I don't think he (the owner) will be losing sleep over hearing this from you. He probably figures more would complain about having to wear masks. I base this on what I have read in this group and what I see every day when we go for walks.

 

As for your governor, I'm sure the billionaire casino owner has more influence over him than you do.

 

BTW, did the staff wear masks? You did not mention this in your post.

[clo]

3 hours ago, ontheweb said:

BTW, did the staff wear masks? You did not mention this in your post.

Every single one whether they dealt with people or not.

 

Our governor (Sisolak) is already threatening to close them again. And I'm one of those people who speak up 🙂 (As if you couldn't tell!)

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, clo said:

Every single one whether they dealt with people or not.

 

Our governor (Sisolak) is already threatening to close them again. And I'm one of those people who speak up 🙂 (As if you couldn't tell!)

No, I would have never guessed. LOL 😊

 

I sometimes surprise people when I praise them. I always explain that I would be the first to criticize, so as to be not hypocritical, I also praise when it is deserved.

[clo]

58 minutes ago, ontheweb said:

No, I would have never guessed. LOL 😊

 

I sometimes surprise people when I praise them. I always explain that I would be the first to criticize, so as to be not hypocritical, I also praise when it is deserved.

I describe many people as "quick to criticize and slow to praise." Not me at all. I was just at my doctor's office and made a point to tell him how much I like one employee in particular there.

[mammajamma2013]

14 hours ago, getting older slowly said:

People I think we can call it time :-   650 posts

 

Most people do not want buffet to disappear...

 

But the meaning

Buffet       a meal consisting of several dishes from which guests serve themselves

Cafetera    a restaurant in which customers serve themselves from a counter and pay before eating

 

What is on a Ship is a Place      where guest/customers serve themselves.....

The difference seams to be    ( which all the decision is about )

1......it is pre plated or plated to order....   by the staff

2.... done the person put it on there own plate..   using tongs.   ( and in some cases fingers )

 

The general consensus seams to be.... food should be  pre plated or plated to order..... 

 

Thanks for your time  Don

I'm in total agreement with your post and would "like" it a hundred times if I could.

[RocketMan275]

On 6/17/2020 at 7:18 AM, wowzz said:

Indeed. However,  if you are visiting countries such as Spain, Italy,  UK etc, there is no restriction on any foods taken ashore, and no checks either. 

Those countries are all part of the European Union which allows for importing food from other Union members (pretty much without any testing or restrictions IIRC).  

[ed01106]

I tend to think that the threats to crease cruising if the buffets go away is as hallow as the post 911 claims by some individuals that they won't fly until the restriction on carry on liquids is lifted.  

[chipmaster]

On 6/17/2020 at 10:10 PM, wowzz said:

Proove it.

 

Silly a sick person while in the state of being contagion whether crew or passenger is how disease spread, you can't be serious?

 

 

[chipmaster]

2 hours ago, ed01106 said:

I tend to think that the threats to crease cruising if the buffets go away is as hallow as the post 911 claims by some individuals that they won't fly until the restriction on carry on liquids is lifted.  

 

Buffets, or cruises are just another from of social gathering of proximity of people ( sources of disease ), to the tongs, touching etc. .. ( transmission ).   While this thing is spreading like wildfire ( currently ) they will be modified.

 

Some thing we'll go back to old ways, but as 911 showed us flying has never and will NEVER, SARS-CoV-2 is the same, things will come back but will NEVER be the same.        Let's take a look at this again in 2021 and 2022, we'll have a new normal and norms.   

[RonOhio]

17 minutes ago, chipmaster said:

 

Silly a sick person while in the state of being contagion whether crew or passenger is how disease spread, you can't be serious?

 

 

No, norovirus isn't magical, as you seem to believe. To become ill, one must ingest infected poop or vomit (or undercooked seafood from Asia - which is the same thing). Because of the high level of sanitation and supervision in cruise ships, crew are unlikely to be the source of an outbreak. CDC regulations for cruise ships require that any crew member (not just food service) report gastroenteritis and that they and all of their immediate contacts be followed by medical or supervisory staff. Food service crew are required to wash upon reporting for work and frequently at work. Do passengers follow a regimen like that? Do you? If food service crew was the source, outbreaks in MDR, specialty restaurants and buffets would be equal - crew prep the food and handle dishes and tableware in all three but I've never heard of an outbreak anywhere but in a buffet.   

[ldubs]

On 6/17/2020 at 2:38 PM, wowzz said:

CV19 is not transmitted via ingestion. You are therefore not at risk from eating food prepared by someone who may be shedding CV19.

 

 

'?? Then why are we even having this discussion about self service buffet hazards.  I mean, doesn't that person "shedding" contaminate whatever it is you are trying to avoid by eliminating self service?  Cannot that person shed CV-19 all over serving utensils, silverware, plates, etc.  I'm just not following.   

[AF-1]

I agree with Don; 

[wowzz]

9 hours ago, ldubs said:

 

 

'?? Then why are we even having this discussion about self service buffet hazards.  I mean, doesn't that person "shedding" contaminate whatever it is you are trying to avoid by eliminating self service?  Cannot that person shed CV-19 all over serving utensils, silverware, plates, etc.  I'm just not following.   

All it needs is for the buffet personnel to wear masks, then the "shedding" will be reduced to such an extent that the viral load that may land on plates, cutlery etc, will be negligible.  

[AF-1]

I agree with you

[clo]

2 hours ago, wowzz said:

All it needs is for the buffet personnel to wear masks, then the "shedding" will be reduced to such an extent that the viral load that may land on plates, cutlery etc, will be negligible.  

And they're wearing gloves.

[wowzz]

24 minutes ago, clo said:

And they're wearing gloves.

Unless gloves are changed regularly, they can easily be a greater source of contamination than washed hands. Wearing the same gloves for an entire shift is bad practice. Washing your hands or changing gloves every 20  minutes or so would be far better.

In the UK, when restaurants are allowed to reopen, wait staff will be expected to wash their hands every time they have served a table. Much more hygienic than wearing gloves. 

[clo]

2 minutes ago, wowzz said:

Unless gloves are changed regularly, they can easily be a greater source of contamination than washed hands. Wearing the same gloves for an entire shift is bad practice. Washing your hands or changing gloves every 20  minutes or so would be far better.

In the UK, when restaurants are allowed to reopen, wait staff will be expected to wash their hands every time they have served a table. Much more hygienic than wearing gloves. 

Our first dining-in meal after we entered the new phase, the servers had on masks and seemed to be changing gloves almost constantly. I'd think that also wouldn't be a problem on a ship. I can also see, on a ship, that let's say a new pan of "food x" is brought out from the kitchen and at that point the person who will be serving it puts on a new pair of gloves. Seems pretty clean to me. Also when we were served on Oceania, when the plate was passed to me, the server was holding it with a little cocktail-size paper napkin.  Here's too much in info from NY State regs:

https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/1334/

[wowzz]

5 minutes ago, clo said:

Our first dining-in meal after we entered the new phase, the servers had on masks and seemed to be changing gloves almost constantly. I'd think that also wouldn't be a problem on a ship. I can also see, on a ship, that let's say a new pan of "food x" is brought out from the kitchen and at that point the person who will be serving it puts on a new pair of gloves. Seems pretty clean to me. Also when we were served on Oceania, when the plate was passed to me, the server was holding it with a little cocktail-size paper napkin.  Here's too much in info from NY State regs:

https://www.health.ny.gov/publications/1334/

As long as the gloves are being changed on a regular basis, as was the case in your restaurant,  fine. But far too many people think that just putting on a pair of gloves, and leaving them on for hours is OK. 

[clo]

1 hour ago, wowzz said:

But far too many people think that just putting on a pair of gloves, and leaving them on for hours is OK. 

Sounds like a management problem to me - and I'm not being sarcastic. When you see that - I haven't - why not report it to a/the manager on duty at the time.

[KnowTheScore]

3 hours ago, wowzz said:

Unless gloves are changed regularly, they can easily be a greater source of contamination than washed hands. Wearing the same gloves for an entire shift is bad practice. Washing your hands or changing gloves every 20  minutes or so would be far better.

In the UK, when restaurants are allowed to reopen, wait staff will be expected to wash their hands every time they have served a table. Much more hygienic than wearing gloves. 

 

Gloves won't solve anything on ships. 

 

Take the MDR

 

Your table waiters routinely clear up the plates and cutlery from one table and then serve other tables. Their hands or gloves are instantly contaminated by handling plates and cutlery from people.  They would have to literally clear a table.  Then go back to the kitchen to wash hands.  They would be in and out so many times as for it to be impractical.

 

There's no way out of all this.   We have to just go back to normal and take our chances.

 

.

[AF-1]

KnowTheScore;  you have said something that makes sense.  Have a nice weekend