A little news from the CDC

[Mariketa]

I normally post in RC, but since I might be swapping over to Carnival, I figured I'd post here as well.

 

The parties in the lawsuit have been ordered by the judge to enter mediation, to be resolved by June 1st.

 

And, the CDC now says you only have to get tested for COVID after a cruise if the cruise is longer than four nights. We all know it's the 5th night that the COVID can get you. 🙂

 

I wonder how many people have to get tested after four nights at a Disney hotel? Or four nights at your local casino? Or four nights in to your business trip?

 

Wait, none. That's right.

[BlerkOne]

Mediation is not arbitration and doesn't guarantee an outcome. About the only possible outcome is Florida backs down. Or the suit gets tossed.

[Mariketa]

I guess we'll see.

[ProgRockCruiser]

Thanks!

 

The news about the mediation had been posted in one or more of the other threads, but they are so muddled with other info it is hard to tease that sub-topic out.

 

The "Test if more than 4 nights/days" is indeed amusing.  I guess they figure if it is spreading on board you can't test for new infections before the fourth day, so why bother on the shorter cruises - everyone will come back negative, in theory, regardless of actual infections.

[drew69]

11 minutes ago, Mariketa said:

I normally post in RC, but since I might be swapping over to Carnival, I figured I'd post here as well.

 

The parties in the lawsuit have been ordered by the judge to enter mediation, to be resolved by June 1st.

 

And, the CDC now says you only have to get tested for COVID after a cruise if the cruise is longer than four nights. We all know it's the 5th night that the COVID can get you. 🙂

 

I wonder how many people have to get tested after four nights at a Disney hotel? Or four nights at your local casino? Or four nights in to your business trip?

 

Wait, none. That's right.

Well, currently if entering the country, you do need to show a negative test.  As those on a cruise will be entering the country after having been to a foreign port it is consistent.  Neither Disney World, Disneyland, or your local casino is outside the country.

[Mariketa]

12 minutes ago, Jeremiah1212 said:

Only for unvaccinated passengers. If you look at the timeline for onset of symptoms from exposure to when you are infectious it does make sense. 

 

1 minute ago, drew69 said:

Well, currently if entering the country, you do need to show a negative test.  As those on a cruise will be entering the country after having been to a foreign port it is consistent.  Neither Disney World, Disneyland, or your local casino is outside the country.

I totally get that. So why after four days? Why not after one day? Why the arbitrary numbers? 

[drew69]

1 minute ago, Mariketa said:

 

I totally get that. So why after four days? Why not after one day? Why the arbitrary numbers? 

Incubation period most likely.  

[BlerkOne]

I would have to see the wording on the 4 day cruise, but is likely for test cruises which nobody is currently doing 

[TNcruising02]

If it's a requirement to present a negative covid test when flying into the US or entering by land, then it makes sense to present a negative covid test when arriving by cruise ship.  I know someone who was exposed to covid and was told to wait four days before getting tested.
 

[cruisingguy007]

Might be a good reason to stick to 3/4 day cruises at the outset. No testing, no covid.  

[Cafedumonde]

56 minutes ago, Mariketa said:

I normally post in RC, but since I might be swapping over to Carnival, I figured I'd post here as well.

 

The parties in the lawsuit have been ordered by the judge to enter mediation, to be resolved by June 1st.

 

And, the CDC now says you only have to get tested for COVID after a cruise if the cruise is longer than four nights. We all know it's the 5th night that the COVID can get you. 🙂

 

I wonder how many people have to get tested after four nights at a Disney hotel? Or four nights at your local casino? Or four nights in to your business trip?

 

Wait, none. That's right.

Welcome to CCL.  
 

For some reason, the irrationality of all of this never ceases to surprise me.  

[skridge]

57 minutes ago, Mariketa said:

I normally post in RC, but since I might be swapping over to Carnival, I figured I'd post here as well.

 

The parties in the lawsuit have been ordered by the judge to enter mediation, to be resolved by June 1st.

 

And, the CDC now says you only have to get tested for COVID after a cruise if the cruise is longer than four nights. We all know it's the 5th night that the COVID can get you. 🙂

 

I wonder how many people have to get tested after four nights at a Disney hotel? Or four nights at your local casino? Or four nights in to your business trip?

 

Wait, none. That's right.

People aren't trapped at sea possibly locked in 192 sq ft cabins at Disney resorts like on a cruise ship during an outbreak.  

[SRQbeachgirl]

So if they test a passenger when the cruise is over and they test positive...then what? They advise the person to quarantine and send them on their way? 

[BlerkOne]

1 minute ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

So if they test a passenger when the cruise is over and they test positive...then what? They advise the person to quarantine and send them on their way? 

IF they test positive, I don't see them as flying. Plus the cruise line would have to notify the other cruisers and the CDC and/or other authorities.

[SRQbeachgirl]

1 minute ago, BlerkOne said:

IF they test positive, I don't see them as flying. Plus the cruise line would have to notify the other cruisers and the CDC and/or other authorities.

 

Yeah, I would anticipate the person would need to find another way to get home. 

 

Still, it seems the guidelines are relaxing a little bit more almost every day, much like the mask mandates and social distancing. Makes me wonder if the lifting of the CSO might happen sooner rather than later.

[BoozinCroozin]

Mediation just means the CSO is going to go on until it expires. Cruise lines now need to accept the fact that the CSO is in place until October 31st. They need to meet the guidelines set forth by the CDC. 

 

The only possible things I see coming out of mediation is a more definitive outline of the rules. I don't expect too rigorous of testing because the cruise lines don't want to deal with it. Too much responsibility to take on for testing passengers. Most likely they will have the pax, swab their nose however the pax chooses, test it, and be done. You can consider covid testing as a medical procedure and the CDC is only permitted to have the results. They are not permitted to be there when collecting the medical information. So no one will really know what is on that swab...open it, put some filtered water on it, put it in the container, and be done. 

[Mariketa]

5 minutes ago, BoozinCroozin said:

Mediation just means the CSO is going to go on until it expires. Cruise lines now need to accept the fact that the CSO is in place until October 31st. They need to meet the guidelines set forth by the CDC. 

 

The only possible things I see coming out of mediation is a more definitive outline of the rules. I don't expect too rigorous of testing because the cruise lines don't want to deal with it. Too much responsibility to take on for testing passengers. Most likely they will have the pax, swab their nose however the pax chooses, test it, and be done. You can consider covid testing as a medical procedure and the CDC is only permitted to have the results. They are not permitted to be there when collecting the medical information. So no one will really know what is on that swab...open it, put some filtered water on it, put it in the container, and be done. 

Ma'am, I need to tell you, your COVID test is pregnant. 🙂

[Tippyton]

I'm guessing b/c it's really ~ 5-6 days is the most common incubation period, although the official data says 3-14 days still I think.  I'd be curious to see the incubation curve based on real data and all of the contract tracing that was supposedly done.

[Lee Cruiser]

So do you still have to get tested if you have been vaccinated?

[mondello]

Story just posted online from Travel & Leisure, says they relaxed it even further, no testing needed for vaccinated pax? With the easing of mask requirements, seems the dominos are falling in place.

[SRQbeachgirl]

Just saw this over on the RCI board. Apparently the CDC just watered down the requirement for agreements with port health authorities. The CSO is going up in flames by the minute!

 

What if a cruise ship operator is unable to document the approval of all local health authorities for a Phase 2A port agreement?

In lieu of documenting the approval of all local health authorities of jurisdiction, the cruise ship operator may instead submit to CDC a signed statement from a local health authority, on the health authority’s official letterhead, indicating that the health authority has declined to participate in deliberations and/or sign the Phase 2A port agreement, i.e., a “Statement of Non-Participation.”

Edited May 18, 2021 by SRQbeachgirl

[cruisingguy007]

1 minute ago, SRQbeachgirl said:

Just saw this over on the RCI board. Apparently the CDC just watered down the requirement for agreements with port health authorities. The CSO is goind up in flames by the minute!

 

What if a cruise ship operator is unable to document the approval of all local health authorities for a Phase 2A port agreement?

In lieu of documenting the approval of all local health authorities of jurisdiction, the cruise ship operator may instead submit to CDC a signed statement from a local health authority, on the health authority’s official letterhead, indicating that the health authority has declined to participate in deliberations and/or sign the Phase 2A port agreement, i.e., a “Statement of Non-Participation.”

 

That makes sense. It's essentially a waiver. What else could be done? They would have the power to halt the process otherwise. It basically says "we tried, they acknowledge and declined". It's a good thing.  

[SRQbeachgirl]

Just now, cruisingguy007 said:

 

That makes sense. It's essentially a waiver. What else could be done? They would have the power to halt the process otherwise. It basically says "we tried, they acknowledge and declined". It's a good thing.  

 

From what I have read, these agreements were a serious barrier for the cruise lines, so this may get things moving.

[ontheweb]

1 hour ago, BoozinCroozin said:

Mediation just means the CSO is going to go on until it expires. Cruise lines now need to accept the fact that the CSO is in place until October 31st. They need to meet the guidelines set forth by the CDC. 

 

The only possible things I see coming out of mediation is a more definitive outline of the rules. I don't expect too rigorous of testing because the cruise lines don't want to deal with it. Too much responsibility to take on for testing passengers. Most likely they will have the pax, swab their nose however the pax chooses, test it, and be done. You can consider covid testing as a medical procedure and the CDC is only permitted to have the results. They are not permitted to be there when collecting the medical information. So no one will really know what is on that swab...open it, put some filtered water on it, put it in the container, and be done. 

It's interesting to note that the cruise lines are not a party to the lawsuit, so also not part of the mediation process. Seems very odd to me since they are the ones directly affected, a lot more than the states who are parties to the lawsuit and the CDC.

[hurricane0226]

3 hours ago, Mariketa said:

I normally post in RC, but since I might be swapping over to Carnival, I figured I'd post here as well.

 

The parties in the lawsuit have been ordered by the judge to enter mediation, to be resolved by June 1st.

 

And, the CDC now says you only have to get tested for COVID after a cruise if the cruise is longer than four nights. We all know it's the 5th night that the COVID can get you. 🙂

 

I wonder how many people have to get tested after four nights at a Disney hotel? Or four nights at your local casino? Or four nights in to your business trip?

 

Wait, none. That's right.

CDC can come up with some good ones.