Waiver for underage drinkers?

Yep. Plan to drink my way through the entire martini menu. Winter NYC cruises on NCL. Summer NYC cruises on Carnival

 

 

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We really love porting out of NYC. About a 5.5hr drive for us, but we actually find that enjoyable and alot easier than flying. I have found the embarkation to be kind of chaotic at that port, but other than that really like it. Enjoy the Breakaway my friend.

The reality is that the majority of carnival cruisers under21 cannot drink legally at home. It is reasonable to expect that reducing thedrinking age to 18 for these kids while they are on “vacation”, particularly ona cruise line with a “party” reputation, can lead to problems. It isunderstandable that the cruise line just doesn’t want to deal with this, so itsets the drinking age to 21.

Hummm, the military must have change this rule, because back in the 70's when I was in the USMC, I was able to drink at age 18 in all of the bars on base.

In the 70s, the legal drinking age in most states was 18 or 19; that could be why you were able to drink on base. ;)

I agree that making alcohol "forbidden fruit" for teenagers is not a healthy approach. My parents allowed me a small glass of wine at holiday events starting in my late teens; I didn't really care for the taste (turns out my family buys REALLY cheap wine!), so drinking never really appealed to me, and it took me until graduate school to develop any kind of taste for alcohol.

Silly is your condescendingly insulting answer. Most of the rest of the world allows adults (18) to drink beer and wine. Our young men and women can join the military at 17 with parent's permission (and it has been my honor to lead them over the last 25 years) so why not allow them to have a drink with their parent's permission? Because you don't approve? I'm going to be politically incorrect here...grow up and realize that we (USA) are on the wrong end of this argument. Let the young adults have a drink. Heck, buy them one and use it as a teaching moment to discuss "responsible" drinking. Don't get them "knee walking, commode hugging drunk", just buy them a drink and be an adult with your offspring. Too much to ask? Then yeah, they'll learn to drink at parties in college (i.e. out of control).

What is your posirion when the military does not allow any soldier to drink alcohol while they are stationed in a country where drinking is not allowed. And don't tell me that never happens because you would be lying. They also do not let soldiers who are traveling on commercial airliners while in uniform to have a drink. Again, do not tell me that does not happen. I have seen it many times. I am going to be politically incorrect here, but have you told the military brass to "grow up and realize that we (USA) are on the wrong end of this argument"? Didn't think so!

Is the waiver possible for cruises not originating in the US but also not originating in Europe? We've been thinking about taking a big family cruise (with all the grandkids not just all the adults) out of Barbados next summer. My sister's twins are September babies and won't be 21 until after the cruise. My brother was telling them stories about the good old days of drinking at 18 and they have it in their heads if we leave from Vancouver or Barbados they can drink!

Why a bad idea ? I'm pretty sure there are plenty of 21+ year old passengers who drink way too much and act like drunken idiots on-board !

This.

In European countries where drinking a glass of wine with dinner is just a normal part of the culture from a young age, they don't have the taboo nature of it. Kids aren't sneaking around in high school to go to underage drinking parties when someone's parents are of town, and they aren't drinking until passing out in college either. When you grow up respecting alcohol, there isn't any rush to drink as much as possible.

The US really has this backwards.

Alcohol before 21 is not the end of the world. Yes, we fully respect the 21 rule aboard the ship (and when travelling in the USA), but my point is that introducing kids to alcohol before then is not a big deal within reason. The mentality of strictly restricting booze and keeping it a mystery until they're in the 20's causes kids to suddenly go out and get completely plastered (or worse) as soon as they're legal because they don't understand it's effects, or respect it.

 

Personally, we carefully introduced our kids to alcohol (via a sip of beer or wine here and there) in their mid teens...and yes, drinking age here in Canada is 19. When we were in the Caribbean my son enjoyed a beer at (gasp!) 18 and my daughter enjoyed a (weak) slush drink last year at 17, but the laws are of course a little more lax down there, and they were in our supervision the entire time. They got a kick out of it and maybe the slightest of buzzes, but that was it. The horror.

 

They're both still perfectly healthy and the "mystery" of alcohol is no longer a big deal to them. My son is now approaching 21 and drinks very responsibly, and my daughter no longer thinks it's a big deal and is mostly indifferent now honestly.

 

Reality is many kids are drinking long before 21 anyways, whether or not parents want to to believe it.

THIS! My parents offered us wine with dinner beginning at 13. Most of the time we had no interest, but it was available. As a result, in college underaged and as a new 21-year-old I might have the occasional drink with friends, but never had the desire to get stupid and crazy, unlike so many of my friends for whom alcohol was this big mystery.

Here I am at 41, and I maybe have 3 or 4 drinks PER MONTH (more than that on vacation), so being able to drink at an early age certainly didn't turn me into a lush. Quite the opposite, actually.

This.

 

 

 

In European countries where drinking a glass of wine with dinner is just a normal part of the culture from a young age, they don't have the taboo nature of it. Kids aren't sneaking around in high school to go to underage drinking parties when someone's parents are of town, and they aren't drinking until passing out in college either. When you grow up respecting alcohol, there isn't any rush to drink as much as possible.

 

 

 

The US really has this backwards.

There are enough dead kids to debate that. Plenty of parents buy their kids way to many drinks on cruises and see them doing stupid things (can imagine what they do in cars endangering themselves and more importantly others). We have witnessed mothers saying it is part of growing up as her 14 year old first vomits all over the seats on an excursion bus and later in the pool. Obviously an exception but THAT is why rules are in place. Taboo is nothing the word I would use....but that is just me.

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Look at this from the cruise lines perspective. Without debating whether one thinks it is right or wrong the fact is that the drinking age for most of their passengers 21, why would you take a bunch of kids who are not legally allowed to drink in their everyday life. And allow them that privilege for the first time on your cruise ship. I wouldn't want to risk it, it seems like it would just cause more problems then would be worth it.

The drinking age in Germany is 16.

In Mexico, they will serve you if yo u have money and are taller than the bar lol.

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In Mexico, they will serve you if yo u have money and are taller than the bar lol.

I'm not even entirely sure the second half of that is a requirement.

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I'm not even entirely sure the second half of that is a requirement.

Haha, probably true.

Look at this from the cruise lines perspective. Without debating whether one thinks it is right or wrong the fact is that the drinking age for most of their passengers 21, why would you take a bunch of kids who are not legally allowed to drink in their everyday life. And allow them that privilege for the first time on your cruise ship. I wouldn't want to risk it, it seems like it would just cause more problems then would be worth it.

Agreed

It sounds odd that the cruise line would allow that.

Royal used to allow it too, 18 could drink beer and wine with a parental waiver.

International waters........but still a bad idea.

Why a bad idea?

If you are legally an adult at 18, why not be able to drink?

You can legally get married at 18.

You can legally vote at 18.

You can legally join the Armed forces at 18.

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Why a bad idea?

If you are legally an adult at 18, why not be able to drink?

You can legally get married at 18.

You can legally vote at 18.

You can legally join the Armed forces at 18.

 

 

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Simple. For American teens, drinking is forbidden fruit. The likelihood of over indulgence is high. European teens that are allowed to drink would probably be fine.

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generalizing much?

Because the drinking age is 21 when you board the ship silly:confused:

Gambling is illegal in most home ports too, that doesn't stop them from opening the casino once they are in international waters though.

But on Carnival minimum age is 21

Thank goodness.

Why a bad idea?

If you are legally an adult at 18, why not be able to drink?

You can legally get married at 18.

You can legally vote at 18.

You can legally join the Armed forces at 18.

 

 

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Check out the death rate for teens when it went to 18 nationally in the 70’s (all for the same reasons you mentioned). More than doubled.

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Simple. For American teens, drinking is forbidden fruit. The likelihood of over indulgence is high. European teens that are allowed to drink would probably be fine.

 

 

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Yeah, because we all know that American teens all wait until they're 21 to drink. Have you been on college campuses recently? Forget recently, how about anytime in history?? I would be willing to bet that 80 - 90% of American teens have had a beer or two.

For those of you old enough to remember (like me), the drinking age, at least in Florida, use to be 18 in the mid-70's.

Not saying that I would want CCL to start this practice. I try to avoid cruising when it's more likely that the ship will be full of teens anyway. I've seen too much bad behavior from older (16 - 18 year olds) teens onboard when they're, supposedly, sober - can't imagine how much worse it would be if they were drinking beer.

The 21 and over rule must be in place because drinkers over the age of 21 are way more responsible at that age than they were before they turned 21;) I have seen unacceptable behavior on board from drinkers waaaay past the age of 21 as well.

Why? The drinking age here in Canada (where I live) is 19 and nothing horrible happens. It's no different then people in the US who are 21+ drinking.

i agree. we live across the river from Detroit and always have american kids coming over here to drink. Then the cops wait on the other side and catch them for being under the influence underage :P They have finally learned to stay here the night.

Our daughter's hated it when they were of age at home but not on the ship. They arent big drinkers by any means but oh well ship rules. They just waited till we got to the islands.

Click here for complete list of cruise lines and destinations that allow those younger than 18 to partake in libations

https://www.alcoholproblemsandsolutions.org/minimum-drinking-age-on-cruise-ships-and-cruise-destinations/

Yeah, because we all know that American teens all wait until they're 21 to drink. Have you been on college campuses recently? Forget recently, how about anytime in history?? I would be willing to bet that 80 - 90% of American teens have had a beer or two.

 

For those of you old enough to remember (like me), the drinking age, at least in Florida, use to be 18 in the mid-70's.

 

Not saying that I would want CCL to start this practice. I try to avoid cruising when it's more likely that the ship will be full of teens anyway. I've seen too much bad behavior from older (16 - 18 year olds) teens onboard when they're, supposedly, sober - can't imagine how much worse it would be if they were drinking beer.

This is what I was thinking.

When I was in high school I can't recall a party I ever went to that didn't have alcohol.