You are not sailing this year at all. Lets stop the illusion

[jaja]

1 hour ago, bluesea777 said:

 

The ships might be clean and healthy and the crew too ... but it’s the traveling to the port to board the ship ... airports are hot spots - many unknown travelers coming in from who knows where they have been. 
 

So, cruise at your own risk ... the 72 hour certificate of one’s healthy and covid-free state won’t help other pax if you get infected on your way to the ship. 
 

Very true !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ISLABONITA]

5 hours ago, SeaWatcher65 said:

I think it is very questionable if cruises will be happening at all in 2020.  I hope so but I am not counting on it. 

An employee of NCL has posted this memo of ships sailing dates.. for this year and next.

[zqvol]

10 hours ago, seaman11 said:

Id rather be stuck on the ship 30 days then home.  I was stuck on one during harvey. Casino , good food, free drinks. Sign me up. 

Quarantined to your room, with all food being room service.  No casino, mediocre food, no drinks. That will be real fun.

[mugtech]

7 hours ago, pcakes122 said:

Were you seriously sick? Couldn't breathe? Couldn't hold any food down? Extreme body aches? Too fatigued to get out of bed?  Ok, then.

 

That said, I can't pretend that I don't understand what you THINK it would be like.  A hurricane on land is a big difference from a virus outbreak.  As you may remember from when I posted my Covid-19 story, I was in the Deluxe Owner's Suite on the Bliss on that cruise - the highest category cabin on the ship (there's just 2 of them.)  I actually said to all the people who told me I was crazy to cruise that I HOPED we would get quarantined because I wouldn't mind spending a month in that cabin (and for free!!)  Yes, I said that and I wasn't kidding!!

 

Ask me again today.  As you know I spent the majority of that week too fatigued to leave my bed.  I couldn't wait to get home because I was miserable.  If they had told me at that time that New York wouldn't let us dock and we would be stuck for a month I would have literally lost my mind.

 

If you really think you know what it would be like to be stuck on a ship during a viral outbreak, you should talk to some folks from the Diamond Princess and the other quarantined ships to get your head on straight.

Guessing Seaman 11 not a Haven kinda guy.

[BirdTravels]

12 hours ago, seaman11 said:

Id rather be stuck on the ship 30 days then home.  I was stuck on one during harvey. Casino , good food, free drinks. Sign me up. 

You would be quarantined inside your inside cabin. 4 walls, no natural light. If there is spread on the ship, the first thing they would close is anywhere people congregate like the casino, bars, dining rooms. You would have a tray of tuna sandwiches delivered morning, noon, and night (since they will close most of the galley). the only drink you will have is the water out of the tap. 30 days in solitary confinement. 

[BirdTravels]

6 hours ago, seaman11 said:

And what you dont understand is many people are retired or their own bosses. 

But that is not what you were responding to in the message you quoted. The person in the message you quoted said that they could not travel because of their company's restrictions. You said "travel somewhere the CDC does not have control over". People who do work for a living have bosses that can direct what they can/cannot do. 

[seaman11]

1 hour ago, BirdTravels said:

But that is not what you were responding to in the message you quoted. The person in the message you quoted said that they could not travel because of their company's restrictions. You said "travel somewhere the CDC does not have control over". People who do work for a living have bosses that can direct what they can/cannot do. 

I see the confusion.  If you scroll back. I did not quote anyone. When i said. We will fly somewhere where we can.   

[Trimone]

Spring 2021, get use to it, been says this date since March 2020, I know personally at the highest level in the industry, not just NCL, in truth they have no answers.
Just suggestions and brick walls !

[fandash]

16 hours ago, 1025cruise said:

Sorry, I'm not going to live my life hiding in my house. I'm willing to take the risk (along with appropriate precautions). I expect that ships will be sailing by fall, though I expect that there will be changes.

I fully agree.

it needs to be put in to perspetive

The economy needs to get up and running again NOW.

Like many our cruise was cancelled and I was extremely disappointed and the fact not getting a holiday is quite depressing really

My family and I really enjoy cruising but we will not cruise again if the WHOLE experience is not available to us and no masks etc because a holiday is for relaxing and it would not be relaxing wearing a mask.

I do think they will start up again October 2020 because they  have to start sometime as cant remain like this forever.

 

 

[Love my butler]

7 hours ago, hftmrock said:

so when the hospitals fill up and there are no ventilators left and they start making choices of who is going to live and who is going to die.. this will be better than going back to phase 1. Lets hope no one I know or you know are on the losing end of that coin toss

 

The sky is falling!  The sky is falling!  You sound like the Fake News Media.

[sverigecruiser]

16 hours ago, pcakes122 said:

 

You also have to consider that while YOU may be willing to risk getting sick, if you do get sick on a cruise ship there is going to be no way to prevent you from making OTHER people sick.

 

The rest of the passengers on the ship have obviously also been willing to risk getting sick. 

 

[sverigecruiser]

16 hours ago, MrMike45 said:

 

cruise with 3000+ people in close quarters....very likely chance of someone testing positive. And what port, in the US or abroad, is going to let them dock after what has happened these last 4 months? 

 

The situation is very different now then it was a few months ago. Countries didn't let the ships dock because they didn't wanted to get the virus in their country. Now it's spread almost everywhere so most places are now more likely to let ships with Covid-19 cases dock. The cruiselines must know what to do in case of an outbreak before the cruises can start again.   

[sverigecruiser]

16 hours ago, MrMike45 said:

I’m pretty sure if Someone tests positive on a ship all that is closed and your confined to your cabin, in quarantine. Food delivered to your room. No casino. No bars. 1000 less channels on TV. Entire cabin the size of 1 room in your house. And if your one of the unlucky soles who booked an inside room...no outside light. 
 

I’ll pass 

 

I agree with you that it's probably not a fun thing to be stuck on a ship for 30 days, or more, if everything is closed and you aren't allowed to leave your cabin.

 

But I should be willing to take that risk. I could spend 30 days on my balcony reading "books" (I should be prepared with "books" downloaded but for me that is not a real book!) and just relax.  

[sverigecruiser]

9 hours ago, KirkNC said:

Simply not true, several states hospitalizations are at or near their peak.  In NC, we have set and broken hospitalization records five straight days.  Same statistics with ICU’s. 

 

It can be both. Some of the spikes can be because of more people being tested and some can be because more people are infected. 

[momofmab]

9 hours ago, hftmrock said:

States that opened too early are currently paying a heavy price.

 

The mask-wearing is inconsistent. In my city, I'm seeing probably 70-80% mask wearing in grocery stores, target, etc. but if you go to any of of our parks, greenways, mountains, pools or popular hiking areas - they are absolutely mobbed with very few people wearing masks.  I'm a little shocked that my state doesn't have an aggressive media campaign for wearing them (we do, however, have a very aggressive media campaign for not driving your car into a flood). Lack of consistency and reasoning over what was allowed to open, versus what is still closed (bars no/breweries yes; gyms no/public pools yes) has caused a lot of bitterness and resentment.

 

I think it will be very difficult to enforce a second shut down in the US, short of bringing in the National Guard.  I read recently that the US is like 50 individual open-border countries, each under its own government.  If people don't like the restrictions in their state, they simply go to a state with less restrictions.  My city sits on the border of SC - plenty of people driving just a few miles to eat, vacation, use the gym.  Some high school sports athletes who are trying to salvage college scholarships are transferring to schools over the border where they believe HS sports will be played this fall. 

 

Countries that were effective in stopping the spread, did so with widespread mask-wearing.  The US has failed in that regard.  We are a society that was literally built on the desire for individual freedoms and in this instance, it has bitten us in the proverbial arse. 

 

 

[podgeandrodge]

10 hours ago, podgeandrodge said:

 

I don't think there will be a Phase 1 return regardless of figures.  Most countries will probably figure that we have to live with it to a degree.  Populations won't suffer the restrictions all over again regardless of the virtues of  it.  Once yes, but after that it's a case of people making their own life choices.  Just my view.  Economies simply can't take another shut down.

 

10 hours ago, hftmrock said:

so when the hospitals fill up and there are no ventilators left and they start making choices of who is going to live and who is going to die.. this will be better than going back to phase 1. Lets hope no one I know or you know are on the losing end of that coin toss

 

I didn't say anything was better than Phase 1.  Or worse than Phase 1.  Just that I don't think there could or will be a return to Phase 1.

 

[Casino Comp Chick]

8 hours ago, zqvol said:

Quarantined to your room, with all food being room service.  No casino, mediocre food, no drinks. That will be real fun.

If I remember correctly, you can play online through the TV set.

[drvmywifecrzy]

17 hours ago, JT1962 said:

 

This is why we won’t be sailing again until they have a definitive answer to this question and we see 2-3 months of multiple ships sailing with no full-ship quarantines.

 

 

Take Las Vegas as an example.  They opened up and everyone was worried they would get quarantined in a unopened hotel.  It didnt happen.  No one had a fever.  No one got pulled aside.  Everyone had fun , gambled , drank, ate good food, enjoyed the sun and pool.

[Casino Comp Chick]

2 hours ago, Love my butler said:

The sky is falling!  The sky is falling!  You sound like the Fake News Media.

That is exactly what was going on in NYC.

All the hospitals started doing risk assessments on who had a better chance at survival and gave that person the ventilator. Older people & sickly people are now dead because of those choices. 
 

I guess when the sky was falling a few bricks landed on your head because the only thing fake is your post.

Edited June 14, 2020 by Casino Comp Chick

[pmd98052]

41 minutes ago, momofmab said:

I think it will be very difficult to enforce a second shut down in the US, short of bringing in the National Guard.  I read recently that the US is like 50 individual open-border countries, each under its own government.  If people don't like the restrictions in their state, they simply go to a state with less restrictions.  My city sits on the border of SC - plenty of people driving just a few miles to eat, vacation, use the gym.  Some high school sports athletes who are trying to salvage college scholarships are transferring to schools over the border where they believe HS sports will be played this fall. 

 

Yes - I think that unfortuantely quite a few USA states will refuse a 2nd shut down. Global implicaiton could well be US Citzens will not be admitted to other countries for travel.

[mscdivina2016]

11 hours ago, ISLABONITA said:

An employee of NCL has posted this memo of ships sailing dates.. for this year and next.

Wow!

So if this is true it means NCL is outright lying to everyone.

 I am going to forward this to an Orlando news outlet and a you tuber

Steve

[ladybugpug]

21 hours ago, seaman11 said:

Id rather be stuck on the ship 30 days then home.  I was stuck on one during harvey. Casino , good food, free drinks. Sign me up. 

Trapped in your room with no access to any of the amenities. Yeah sounds like Heaven. We took a five day cruise in December and had poor weather every day of the 5. I couldn't wait to get off that ship. I was bored out of my mind. And that was with being able to still access nearly everything on board.

[momofmab]

3 hours ago, pmd98052 said:

 

Yes - I think that unfortuantely quite a few USA states will refuse a 2nd shut down. Global implicaiton could well be US Citzens will not be admitted to other countries for travel.

 

Agreed.  I have a friend in NY who has owned a 2nd home in Canada for 30 years, where they spend the summers.  No word on when they will be allowed to cross the border again.

[jingle5616]

23 hours ago, 1025cruise said:

Sorry, I'm not going to live my life hiding in my house. I'm willing to take the risk (along with appropriate precautions). I expect that ships will be sailing by fall, though I expect that there will be changes.

While I agree that I'm not going to hide away and will use precautions, one of those precautions is to not place myself on a floating petri dish.  

[MsTabbyKats]

3 hours ago, Casino Comp Chick said:

If I remember correctly, you can play online through the TV set.

?  Play slots on the TV in your cabin?  

 

3 hours ago, Casino Comp Chick said:

That is exactly what was going on in NYC.

All the hospitals started doing risk assessments on who had a better chance at survival and gave that person the ventilator. Older people & sickly people are now dead because of those choices. 
 

I guess when the sky was falling a few bricks landed on your head because the only thing fake is your post.

People had to be here to understand.  "People" in other places were not feeling the affects; for "the others" it was more like watching a show on TV...and the "it only happens to other people" syndrome.

 

Now that our state is just about at zero and many others are rising...I hope nothing sails out of NYC for the rest of 2020.  I don't want "non-New Yorkers", in general, bringing their germs here.  Once in a lifetime was once too many times to go thru what we had. (DH and I both had covid. Both recovered. DH is 85, I'm71....but both in excellent health with no underlying conditions.)