How About over 55 or 60 cruises?

[4774Papa]

16 hours ago, Empehi said:

Just an idea. Because one of the main problems with COVID-19 is the asymptomatic person spreading the virus unknown that they have the virus.

It is my understanding that older folks are very seldom (if ever) asymptomatic so they would be the easiest population of cruisers to identify pre-cruise.

All the cruise line would have to do is test (perhaps even daily) the crew.  What do people think?

 

I have not read that old people are seldom asymptomatic.   I understand that over 80% of that ship that was stuck in Japan didn't get COVID symptoms and about half of those 80% were asymptomatic.    I think the average age of those cruisers and most are not so young.

[Mapleleafforever]

1 hour ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

Hum. May be a long wait. He’s busy cooking pork butts. 😇

Mmmmmm pulled pork

[crewsweeper]

2 hours ago, BND said:

In my county, only 15 of the 115 deaths have been under age 70.  In fact, in the under 60 age group there have been only 5 and I guarantee those all had underlying medical conditions and probably serious ones.  So, from our demographics in our county, it's pretty much over 80 that have the highest number of deaths.  As I posted above 81 of the deaths are in the over 80 age group, which covers 80's, 90's which are a smaller number of the population so the percentage of serious illness and death is much, much higher in 80+ than under 80.  I think your "requirements" are a little over the top.  Diabetes can be controlled and not really be a factor, heart issues, depend on what type, BMI doesn't mean as much as some people think it does unless you are morbidly obese, walkers can just mean back or knee problems which aren't a risk.  I'm glad you don't get to decide who cruises.

I would almost guarantee that all of those 100 deaths had one or more of the co-morbid conditions.  and if  not they died of an accident and just happened to test positive-post death.  That goes on quite a bit in medical stats.

The real key here is to recognize that you may be in a high risk group for what ever reason  and to avoid cruising.  You may not like to do so, but your health and your life are at risk, if you do cruise.

[grandgeezer]

43 minutes ago, crewsweeper said:

I would almost guarantee that all of those 100 deaths had one or more of the co-morbid conditions.  and if  not they died of an accident and just happened to test positive-post death.  That goes on quite a bit in medical stats.

The real key here is to recognize that you may be in a high risk group for what ever reason  and to avoid cruising.  You may not like to do so, but your health and your life are at risk, if you do cruise.

So people in high risk stop cruising, what stops them from catching it from people who cruised and bought the virus home with then??

[yogimax]

6 minutes ago, grandgeezer said:

So people in high risk stop cruising, what stops them from catching it from people who cruised and bought the virus home with then??

Nothing!

[Mapleleafforever]

19 minutes ago, grandgeezer said:

So people in high risk stop cruising, what stops them from catching it from people who cruised and bought the virus home with then??

If practicing social distancing and mask wearing it shouldn't be an issue. If I was in the high risk group I'd be doing everything in my power to mitigate my risk. 

[John Reid]

Truthfully, I think the idea is preposterous.

[vistapat]

To return to the original question:  No, I wouldn't consider such a cruise.  For me, much of the joy of cruising is seeing people of differing ages, ethnicities, and outlooks on life.  If I could only cruise under your conditions, it isn't for me and probably isn't safe for anyone who did it.  And yes, I am a senior, well over the upper age limit you suggested.

 

Pat

Edited August 7, 2020 by vistapat

[crewsweeper]

1 hour ago, grandgeezer said:

So people in high risk stop cruising, what stops them from catching it from people who cruised and bought the virus home with then??

Same thing that's stopping them from catching it at home.  Masks, social distance. wash hands. 

[crewsweeper]

Look folks,

 

I'm not against 55+ cruising.  I'm not against people with mobility issues cruising. DW and I are both 70.  I've cruised with a bum knee in the past.  DW has cruised after foot surgery.  DW has caught something (not proven to be NORO) twice on cruises and had to stay quarantined in cabin.   We were on the Odyssey in February right before the big breakout.  We had masks with us. The crew were softly enforcing washing hands at all venues.

 

All I am arguing for is for those at risk, and they know who they are, should not be permitted to cruise until, and if, the CV-19 goes away.  SARS and Swine flu were just as epidemic, but without the panic. They both eventually disappeared. A vaccine will help but it's not the end all. 

 

Temperature checks mean very little, unless you're running a fever.  And you known you are running a fever without a temperature check. Tests, even those that give results inside 1/2 hour are only good for the time you get tested.

 

Nevertheless, the % of people tested in US and worldwide who test negative is over 95%.  So its a good indication that most of us haven't contracted the virus.  Not saying we won't ever, but thus far haven't.

[BND]

4 hours ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

Hum. May be a long wait. He’s busy cooking pork butts. 😇

It might be a very long wait and it has nothing to do with pork butts.  But, I do love good bbq.

[Milwaukee Eight]

24 minutes ago, yogimax said:

Better!

We will certainly NEVER agree on this. Lots of people say such things until they try good BBQ. 

[Milwaukee Eight]

10 minutes ago, BND said:

It might be a very long wait and it has nothing to do with pork butts.  But, I do love good bbq.

Maybe an appeal is in order?

[BND]

1 minute ago, Milwaukee Eight said:

Maybe an appeal is in order?

We can start a petition 🙂

 

[grandgeezer]

1 hour ago, crewsweeper said:

Same thing that's stopping them from catching it at home.  Masks, social distance. wash hands. 

That doesn’t prevent it entirely, it just lessens the possibility of catching it. If the virus wasn’t transported by someone getting back from cruising, problem solved.

[zekekelso]

5 hours ago, John Reid said:

Truthfully, I think the idea is preposterous.

I agree. Cooking the pork in the oven is sooo much easier and tastes just as good. 

[Mapleleafforever]

9 hours ago, zekekelso said:

I agree. Cooking the pork in the oven is sooo much easier and tastes just as good. 

We do it in the Instant Pot now......so good, so fast. 

[livingonthebeach]

Not sure only 55+ or 60+ cruises would be very profitable for RCI.  No profits=no cruise.

I once read that most of the onboard spending comes from the casino — at least for cruises out of the US. I’m sure there are some high rollers in the +55 crowd, but the majority of the spending in the casino seems to come from younger cruisers.

[A&L_Ont]

On 8/7/2020 at 8:08 AM, bouhunter said:

Just packing a ship with a higher percentage of higher risk people.  Not a good idea.....

Exactly. 

 

On 8/7/2020 at 8:09 AM, Empehi said:

Well ..... from the previous posts on this topic it certainly appears that there will be not be cruising anytime soon.

 

Perhaps an anti-body test and only let cruisers with the anti-bodies onboard due to their supposed immunity to the virus.

 

One last thought .... I find it hard to believe that flying to a cruise departure port would not be a major risk in catching the virus

just prior to boarding. Sure, I know the airlines say it is safe but REALLY: baggage claim, eating at the airport. TSA lines, restroom breaks (especially on the airplane) and the close quarters on the airplane.

 

 

Both are just as risky in today’s environment, and in all honesty even when the world was healthy. People crammed into a tight space spread germs easily. 

Edited August 8, 2020 by A&L_Ont

[4774Papa]

21 hours ago, grandgeezer said:

So people in high risk stop cruising, what stops them from catching it from people who cruised and bought the virus home with then??

Using some common sense to investigate who you socialize with and what they have been doing recently prior to socializing.

[yogimax]

1 hour ago, 4774Papa said:

Using some common sense to investigate who you socialize with and what they have been doing recently prior to socializing.

As much as I agree with you to use common sense, I'm afraid there are too many risks as long as the virus is spreading at its current rate.

[newcruzer2]

On 8/7/2020 at 6:00 AM, grapau27 said:

Maybe having disembarkation one day then Embarkation the next day so the ships can have a thorough clean down and virus spraying before the next lot of passengers get on.

well I would definitely go for this idea. 6night cruises with 24hrs of cleaning inbetween. Cruise lines would lose some revenue BUT it would do a LOT to boost customer confidence and all around cleanliness. 👍👍👍

[grapau27]

2 minutes ago, newcruzer2 said:

well I would definitely go for this idea. 6night cruises with 24hrs of cleaning inbetween. Cruise lines would lose some revenue BUT it would do a LOT to boost customer confidence and all around cleanliness. 👍👍👍

I agree.

[yogimax]

1 hour ago, grapau27 said:

I agree.

Your suggestion makes a lot of sense.

[livingonthebeach]

There's a river cruise line, UniWorld, that is doing the exactly opposite attracting Gen-Zers.  Also, Virgin Voyages with its Scarlet Lady is aggressively targeting a younger crowd with tattoo parlors, drag-queen brunches and karaoke lounges on board.  

https://thepointsguy.com/news/generation-z-cruise-uniworld/

 

Cruising demographics look like they might be shifting towards the younger generation...