CDC-update May 5th

[BlerkOne]

41 minutes ago, Radiioman46 said:

Who said anything about last year? I was talking about unelected unaccountable bureaucrats. Stay on topic.

Are these new positions that didn't exist last year? I don't think so.

[BlerkOne]

36 minutes ago, hurricane0226 said:

You are right, in the beginning they said no mask then mask, then two mask, who are we to believe. 

Missing a lot of context in there.

[Tippyton]

7 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

I can't help but think we could be cruising today if people had listened to science and followed a few simple directions. That opportunity was missed. We could be cruising tomorrow if more people had gotten vaccinated sooner and not been so antivax. Another opportunity missed. More and more variants are appearing and we were warned about that. There should be no surprise. Now it appears the US will never reach heard immunity. Get used to masks forever. And to think what could have been. and now back to the denying and deflection.

The result is not due to what you presume.  

[Tippyton]

6 hours ago, tkportersat said:

We have all had Covid at our house as well.  Definitely had flu virus and allergies worse than Covid.  

We are the lost 20%.  Our bulletproof vest is effective at stopping the bullets, just like the vaccine vests.  99.6% vs 95% by some accounts, and we all took a bullet to get to earn our vest, that 99.6%.  Some of us didnt make it.  We can all argue about staying out of gunfights but that's not the point (stray bullets happen!).  Yet we are being told our vest doesnt count and we have to wear the other one, which can be worse than the original grazing we got from the original bullet.  The bullet we took contributed the same to herd immunity. 

 

Or we are ignored in the discourse completely.  

 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/covid-19-reinfection-rate-around-0-4-epic-data-suggests.html

[monykalyn]

https://www.medpagetoday.com/blogs/marty-makary/92434

Good dialogue on immunity/variants etc. It's not alarmist. 

 

If these restrictions are still in place when final payment for Jan 2022 cruise in place I'll cancel. I'm not spending money for diminished experience-to me these restrictions would result in a vacation I wouldn't want or enjoy. 

 

At some point actual real life data (um hello Texas) with common sense has to come back-CDC wants to proclaim they are "science driven"-yet CANNOT explain the science behind why masks outdoors were EVER needed, why masking TODDLERS ever made sense, how masking KIDS in sports make sense, how the magic bubble at restaurants worked (mask to/from table-magically ok once seated). Over 50% of >18 population of USA has at least one shot now-eventually people will get back to the normal whether CDC "grants" it or not.

[NightOne]

1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

This is not quite correct.  They were shut down in the US by the NSO.  They voluntarily suspended cruising everywhere else (where the CDC had no jurisdiction) because there were no countries to go to.

Again, they volunteered 1st and got screwed ever since:

 

“March 14, 2020 Update

The CDC Director issued a No Sail Order for cruise ships effective March 14, 2020 due to the risk cruise ship travel introducing, transmitting, or spreading COVID-19. CDC commended the Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA), the leading industry trade group, for their willingness to voluntarily suspend cruise ship operations from U.S. ports of call beginning on March 13, 2020 for the next thirty (30) days. The Order was published in the Federal Register”

[Tippyton]

6 hours ago, embarkation75 said:

Everybody fits somewhere in the spectrum of CC posters as you proudly fit into a #6 CC poster type. We are, who we are whether we see it or not.

 

6 hours ago, embarkation75 said:

The #6 group is representing this afternoon! 🤣

Woot!  Is that 6a, 6b, or 6c.  Not all the same.

[Tippyton]

6 hours ago, kleibo said:

https://www.cruisecritic.com/news/6097/   

 

1st to strike

Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings' Boss Tears Into CDC, Warns July U.S. Restart Will Not Happen

Suit up,  boys!

[Tippyton]

1 hour ago, chengkp75 said:

While the CSO may go away, the requirements set forth in the NSO and CSO have met the requirements to become permanent regulations, and I foresee that some of them, in particular the port and service agreements/contracts, will become part of the VSP, and a permanent requirement to obtain health clearance into the US.

Then my cruising days are over.  Fortunately this wont happen.  

[kirtihk]

3 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

Don't plan on walking around eating and drinking. You will be sitting in designated areas. Socially distanced of course. And the cruise lines will enforce. It is in the ticket contract and they will expose themselves to major lawsuits if there is an outbreak on a ship the cruise line should have prevented.

 

As with the insurrection, social media videos will make excellent evidence.

 

There are cameras almost everywhere on cruise ships.

Wait?! You are not allowed to drink when not seated anymore?! What? Besides dinner, I always drink while standing or wondering around (cruise or not); that’s a big part for me of relaxing.  I thought I knew all restrictions. How foolish of me... Дурдом, I should say, a pure crazy house!

 

Also I do not understand how it is humanly possible to block one’s air intake for 18 hours every day (I sleep 6 hours on cruises).

Edited May 7, 2021 by kirtihk

[ledges1]

9 hours ago, embarkation75 said:

What I've learned about CC posters on this Carnival Cruise board in the last month...

 

1: Most but not all long for cruising again

 

2: Those falling outside of the previous group are either hacked off at the cruiselines for holding their money or are deathly afraid to leave their house again

 

3: Close to 25% will cruise no matter what the restrictions and have little problem cruising with unvaccinated as long as they are adequately tested

 

4: Nearly 15% want vaccinated only cruising but believe there should be no restrictions 

 

5: Another 15% say everyone is vaccinated or they're not cruising

 

6: 20% want ZERO restrictions on resumption of cruising and generally feel cruising should have never stopped as they frequently quote stats to say covid is a hoax.

 

7: Most of the previous folks also admit to having essentially covid parties in the last year and somehow believe mask wearing is against their faith (from the good book of non-maskism)

 

8: 15% want the CDC punished for overreach by creating laws/lawsuits that overreach the other direction yet claim it's different!?!?

 

9: 5% think Bill Gates is implanting microchips in vaccines and are generally angry that they can't wonder off the ship at Cozumel and get sloppy drunk right now

 

10: 5% don't know this is a cruise board but just love to scream about politics and hatred for socialism

I fall under #1 (love to cruise) and part 2 of #10, dislike socialism.

[40yearcruiser]

3 hours ago, Radiioman46 said:

This is what happens when you have a handful of unelected unaccountable bureaucrats in charge! 

 And the director, bless her heart, doesn't even know what a cruise ship is. 

Amen! The latest requirements sent out by the CDC might have been relevant 6 months ago, but there  have been many changes in the last 6 months not the least of which is availability of the vaccines. Instead of adjusting safety measures to account for the decrease in cases, thereby decreasing the chances for exposure to the virus, they are advocating unreasonably strict rules for cruise ships. In other venues they are relaxing the safety measures, such as not requiring masks when outdoors if you are vaccinated, but continue to "punish" the cruise industry. I am one who hopes all the cruise lines require the vaccine and push for equal treatment of vaccinated passengers as in all other tourist areas. If it delays having children on the ship for a few months, so be it. Better than delaying the resumption of cruising for everybody. 

[pc_load_letter]

I am going to boycott the companies that boycott the boycott and if they serve alcohol to those 18 years old I am going to double boycott and if my kids can't cruise then I am going to boycott.

 

viva liberte

[BlerkOne]

Some people confuse availability of vaccine with people being fully vaccinated. It doesn't work like that. Some like screaming freedom. Well, they are free to stay home. That's how it works.

 

[ajm]

These posts have been an interesting read.  One thing that is becoming apparent is that, given the strong exchanges I've been reading, it could be quite entertaining onboard between the two sides of the issue especially once the drinks start flowing.  Grab a seat in the back and wait for the fun.

 

[skridge]

51 minutes ago, ajm said:

These posts have been an interesting read.  One thing that is becoming apparent is that, given the strong exchanges I've been reading, it could be quite entertaining onboard between the two sides of the issue especially once the drinks start flowing.  Grab a seat in the back and wait for the fun.

 

I will go grab some popcorn and a Corona and sit back and watch.

[bigrednole]

1 minute ago, bamaone said:

The good thing is this whole mess is almost over. We will end this lock down crap as a nation and the ones who choose not to participate can just sit by and thank us later. 

That's the problem. It is almost like Stockholm Syndrome. They will not be thankful, appreciative, or anything. They will be made that they were freed from such control.

[bigrednole]

1 minute ago, skridge said:

It wasn't anything against liberty when we were asking people to wear masks.  Just trying to slow the spread of a virus that killed over half a million Americans.  I will be happy to stand up to anyone who thinks wearing a mask and social distancing was somehow asking to much of them.  

When it was necessary without research and data, I can agree. However, when the research has proven social distancing has no effect and the CDC flip-flopping on masks every week, there is a problem. Let me be clear, I don't disagree with what you said based on the data at the time. The issue is the facts, research, and data have changed but the CDC has not.

[bamaone]

2 minutes ago, skridge said:

It wasn't anything against liberty when we were asking people to wear masks.  Just trying to slow the spread of a virus that killed over half a million Americans.  I will be happy to stand up to anyone who thinks wearing a mask and social distancing was somehow asking to much of them.  

Not disagreeing with you at all. But those days are over now. We're done with the restrictions. Everybody knows how to protect themselves if they choose. It's our decision.

[skridge]

7 minutes ago, bamaone said:

Not disagreeing with you at all. But those days are over now. We're done with the restrictions. Everybody knows how to protect themselves if they choose. It's our decision.

Unfortunately the same crowd that caused the virus to spread more rapidly than it should have because they wouldn't wear a mask and distance because it was taking away their liberty are now keeping us from getting to herd immunity because they think Bill Gates has put a microchip in the vaccine.  At the end of the day it seems the takeaway is we are not dealing with rocket scientists.

[bamaone]

1 minute ago, skridge said:

Unfortunately the same crowd that caused the virus to spread more rapidly than it should have because they wouldn't wear a mask and distance because it was taking away their liberty are now keeping us from getting to herd immunity because they think Bill Gates has put a microchip in the vaccine.  At the end of the day it seems the takeaway is we are not dealing with rocket scientists.

We're done with restrictions.

[thesmiths]

2 hours ago, skridge said:

I will go grab some popcorn and a Corona and sit back and watch.

 

57 minutes ago, skridge said:

It wasn't anything against liberty when we were asking people to wear masks.  Just trying to slow the spread of a virus that killed over half a million Americans.  I will be happy to stand up to anyone who thinks wearing a mask and social distancing was somehow asking to much of them.  

 

41 minutes ago, skridge said:

Unfortunately the same crowd that caused the virus to spread more rapidly than it should have because they wouldn't wear a mask and distance because it was taking away their liberty are now keeping us from getting to herd immunity because they think Bill Gates has put a microchip in the vaccine.  At the end of the day it seems the takeaway is we are not dealing with rocket scientists.

 

Looks like you are doing more then eating Popcorn, seems to me you are pointing fingers at those of us who have a choice of what we chose to do with our lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[IntrepidFromDC]

50 minutes ago, bamaone said:

We're done with restrictions.

Not if you're hoping to cruise this year.

[Buckeyefrank100]

21 hours ago, iheartmarshall said:

 

I totally understand that, and we have opted for more remote land vacations in lieu of cruising for the time being.  Our next cruise isn't even until Thanksgiving 2022.  

 

But what gets me is everyone complaining about how much they hate these guidelines when in reality, there's nothing they or Carnival can do about them.  People complained that they weren't allowed to sail and now that the restart is in sight, they're complaining about the restrictions.  The restrictions might seem excessive but they're necessary and shouldn't be of any surprise.  We're still in a pandemic. 

 

21 hours ago, cruisingguy007 said:

 

So the vaccines don't work is what you're saying? The vaccines were supposed to free us from all the nonsense. Once vaccines are available for all kids, I expect schools/life to resume like normal. Vaccines were intended to lower the risk, never eliminate it. People have become waaaaaay to comfortable with all these "temporary" restrictions and have basically accepted them as the new standard. Many of us have not. That's not what we were sold on. It was a halt to freedoms and upending the lives of everyone to save the olds and very sick. A reverse Titanic if you will, not women and children first, old and infirmed first! That has been done, vaccines are out and available, and will soon be available to older kids and soon after, all kids. We don't close everything down for the flu and we are quickly reaching comparative numbers (hospitalizations/deaths) and will probably drop below those rates once vaccines are available to everyone. At some point this becomes simply a charade and power grab/struggle.    

It's a charade at this point.  About a month ago my FIL went into the hospital since he was having a stroke.  As he was lying in the emergency room (HAVING A STROKE), they tested him for covid and did nothing for him until the results came back negative...   Thank God, he survived and is doing fine now.   When having a stroke, time is of the essence and they waited over an hour to treat him because of this.  It's ridiculous.

[cruisingguy007]

8 hours ago, BlerkOne said:

Some people confuse availability of vaccine with people being fully vaccinated. It doesn't work like that. Some like screaming freedom. Well, they are free to stay home. That's how it works.

 

 When did restrictions until everyone is vaccinated become the new goal? Now this herd immunity goal moves the goal posts even further. That was never the intention. The intention was to slow things down and not overwhelm hospitals/morgues and time to develop therapeutics. Now vaccines are being hung over peoples heads for their freedoms back? Ridiculous! Vaccines are like seat belts, condoms, helmets or any other prophylactic; you use them to protect you. If folks don't want to take them to protect themselves then fine. They can live/die with the results.

 

The rest of us should not be held hostage for someone else's choice. Once kids are offered it as well then it's time to face reality, some will never take it and it's time to press on. Will some of the unvaccinated spike numbers? Absolutely! Already happening in a few areas/states with larger certain demographics but you control the controllable and don't worry about those who don't want to protect themselves. Some say it's crazy/reckless but folks have a right to be crazy/reckless. The point now is that people have a choice, choose wisely or don't, frankly I don't care. Time to move on either way and stop hanging this bullship over peoples heads and restore freedom and functionality.        

Edited May 7, 2021 by cruisingguy007