Minors losing their Diamond status…

[cruisegirl1]

1 hour ago, Husky1987 said:

Lots of people "take advantage of the system".

 

People sailing in suites who get an extra point per night.

People sailing solo who get an extra point per night.

People who sailed under the double points promo.

People who live in Florida who can sail on at any time and rack up nights on cheap last minute cruises.

 

Sure, those people pay, but they're still taking advantage of the points system.  Where would the "weeding out" stop?

No one is taking advantage the system.  No one is doing anything wrong. They are following the rules.  Maybe the system is the problem. 

 

M

[cruisegirl1]

2 minutes ago, molsonschooner said:

what type of drink does he get?

Minors get smoothies ( on certain ships), specialty coffee, soda, bottled water, fresh squeezed juice.  No alcohol.

 

M.  

[nolimits]

I hope OP comes back and reports what happened. She said they where contacting 

CnA in Miami 

 

[Husky1987]

5 minutes ago, cruisegirl1 said:

No one is taking advantage the system.  No one is doing anything wrong. They are following the rules.  Maybe the system is the problem. 

 

M

My point exactly.  

[pcur]

2 hours ago, nelblu said:

So, you want to slow down the increase in Pinnacles--here' are some ideas--just make all reservations 1 point/night each and not double or tripled.  Sail the repositioning ships empty so that a 15 niter does not accumulate from 15 to 45 points per sail.  There was a poster that marveled that in past the repositioning used to sail at max 35-40% capacity.  Now they are around 70%+.  

 

With more new and bigger ships, it's creating a larger cruising population which of course generate increase membership in all tiers.  Also, passengers with means can afford the many suite cabins. therefore, reaching the upper tier levels at a quicker pace.

 

To me, this is win win for the cruise industry especially since they are running at almost 100% capacity.

 

Ps.  If Royal was really concerned, they should not have had the double points promotions.  Wonder, how many Pinnacles were created during this promotion.

Politely disagree.  Those who pay for Suite and solo rates should earn extra points to keep it equitable.

[LobsterStalker]

3 hours ago, Husky1987 said:

Lots of people "take advantage of the system".

 

People sailing in suites who get an extra point per night.

People sailing solo who get an extra point per night.

People who sailed under the double points promo.

People who live in Florida who can sail on at any time and rack up nights on cheap last minute cruises.

 

Sure, those people pay, but they're still taking advantage of the points system.  Where would the "weeding out" stop?

Maybe I used the wrong phrase with " taking advantage "..? Those examples you are giving are all paying passengers , Earning their points within the framework of the loyalty program .

Disclaimer >> I have not read the policies other than what was quoted earlier , but

According to the verbiage presented from Royal that people have quoted earlier in the thread , it seems to me as though there has been a lot of oversight on Royal's part when it comes to enforcing how the rules regarding minors is supposed to be , and also a lot of poor judgement on their part in allowing all the extra tier matching along the way .

JMHO , but to me its common sense that someone taking their first cruise ever after marrying a D or D+ should not be able to then divorce and have status matched for life , and also could pass it on to 5 new minors in the process...and to make it even more ludicrous , again , based on what was stated earlier in this thread ..it's even possible to spread the wealth in the same manor just by being in a 'relationship '??

Hmmm.. ???

 

Cheers...

 

P.S. I guess to actually answer your question , It should stop at Paying Loyal passengers 

 

 

[Denversail]

3 minutes ago, LobsterStalker said:

Maybe I used the wrong phrase with " taking advantage "..? Those examples you are giving are all paying passengers , Earning their points within the framework of the loyalty program .

Disclaimer >> I have not read the policies other than what was quoted earlier , but

According to the verbiage presented from Royal that people have quoted earlier in the thread , it seems to me as though there has been a lot of oversight on Royal's part when it comes to enforcing how the rules regarding minors is supposed to be , and also a lot of poor judgement on their part in allowing all the extra tier matching along the way .

JMHO , but to me its common sense that someone taking their first cruise ever after marrying a D or D+ should not be able to then divorce and have status matched for life , and also could pass it on to 5 new minors in the process...and to make it even more ludicrous , again , based on what was stated earlier in this thread ..it's even possible to spread the wealth in the same manor just by being in a 'relationship '??

Hmmm.. ???

 

Cheers...

 

P.S. I guess to actually answer your question , It should stop at Paying Loyal passengers 

 

 

Are you going to provide proof of marriage every time you board? How would suggest they vet that?

[suzyluvs2cruise]

3 hours ago, nelblu said:

So, you want to slow down the increase in Pinnacles--here' are some ideas--just make all reservations 1 point/night each and not double or tripled.  Sail the repositioning ships empty so that a 15 niter does not accumulate from 15 to 45 points per sail.  There was a poster that marveled that in past the repositioning used to sail at max 35-40% capacity.  Now they are around 70%+.  

 

With more new and bigger ships, it's creating a larger cruising population which of course generate increase membership in all tiers.  Also, passengers with means can afford the many suite cabins. therefore, reaching the upper tier levels at a quicker pace.

 

To me, this is win win for the cruise industry especially since they are running at almost 100% capacity.

 

Ps.  If Royal was really concerned, they should not have had the double points promotions.  Wonder, how many Pinnacles were created during this promotion.

Another thought is no double points for solos who are only paying 150%. It you're paying 200% it makes some sense but not at 150%....which you get (with a few restrictions) at the 340 point level. 

[cruiseboy89130]

7 hours ago, KansasK said:

I agree. It does look kind of petty.  I guess they save money on free drinks, too.  Notifying someone they lost their diamond status on board a ship seems like starting the cruise off on a bad note. My daughter is over 40 and is diamond from a while back. I don't think she has enough points to be diamond, though.  I hope this new way to antagonize cruisers doesn't last. 

Tell her to always finish her plate in the MDR - so they don't start checking on her.....

[sgmn]

8 hours ago, Blur said:

 No LA wants bad comments directed at them unless they were instructed to do this and has corporate backing.

My thoughts exactly, may be part of their job description now.

I don't really see the necessity of status matching now you can have your Diamond drinks anywhere anytime. Maybe it was more relevant when you could only get free drinks in the Diamond Lounge.

 

RC could soften the blow by allowing the Diamond balcony discount for all in a room if one person in the room is Diamond, and maybe you could ask the LA for a room mate pass to attend the upper tier drinks party, or it would automatically be left in your room along with the invite 

Edited March 29, 2023 by sgmn

[gkbiiii]

22 minutes ago, sgmn said:

My thoughts exactly, may be part of their job description now.

I don't really see the necessity of status matching now you can have your Diamond drinks anywhere anytime. Maybe it was more relevant when you could only get free drinks in the Diamond Lounge.

 

RC could soften the blow by allowing the Diamond balcony discount for all in a room if one person in the room is Diamond, and maybe you could ask the LA for a room mate pass to attend the upper tier drinks party, or it would automatically be left in your room along with the invite 

This is how benefits work on Celebrity, where everyone in the cabin, get the same benefits as the highest tiered cabin member.

[gkbiiii]

7 hours ago, LobsterStalker said:

I have long thought that the current system as it stands is like a pyramid scheme that has to  eventually reach its breaking point.

The frustrating point for me is that DW and I are just reaching Diamond.. the old fashioned way, and are looking forward to the few useful benefits that has to offer . It is clear Royal is currently revamping a lot of services with cost cutting in mind. So it stands to reason they need to take a hard look at changes (or enforcement) to C&A as well . As I see it there 2 logical options 

1) Reduce the benefits for ALL (including of course all the loyal customers who got to their tiers by actually earning it ) or 

2) Reduce the number of beneficiaries by attempting to weed out the undeserving and those who have been allowed to take advantage of the system .

A lot of people complaining about kids status demotions etc. will be complaining a lot more if option number 1 kicks in .

...If it is a choice between 1 & 2 , I certainly hope option number 2 is explored fully first !!

 

Cheers

Without the "Loyal to Royal" types, Royal goes bankrupt!  Diamond & above, are the key to Royal's survival. 

[gkbiiii]

You know, there is a recent child, who earned Pinnacle on his own.  Also, most cruise/airline/hotel loyalty programs, reward top spenders in their program.  Here are some key ideas.

Casino customers, should earn 2X-4X points for bookings.

Suites & singles pay way more and deserve their current points if not more.

Onboard spending, should count for points, plus casino spend.

Insiders, should make less points, as with NCL, MSC, Costa and others!

Special catered events for Diamond and above.

Emerald & above should get 150% single supplements.

Emerald should get 1 drink a day.

[Another_Critic]

32 minutes ago, sgmn said:

RC could soften the blow by allowing the Diamond balcony discount for all in a room if one person in the room is Diamond,  

Balcony discount (and senior, military, etc. discounts) are based on anyone in the cabin.  Only one person has to qualify for the discount to be applied.

[gkbiiii]

Just now, gkbiiii said:

You know, there is a recent child, who earned Pinnacle on his own.  Also, most cruise/airline/hotel loyalty programs, reward top spenders in their program.  Here are some key ideas.

Casino customers, should earn 2X-4X points for bookings.

Suites & singles pay way more and deserve their current points if not more.

Onboard spending, should count for points, plus casino spend.

Insiders, should make less points, as with NCL, MSC, Costa and others!

Special catered events for Diamond and above.

Emerald & above should get 150% single supplements.

Emerald should get 1 drink a day.

Emeralds & above, should get 2 comped room service orders, with balcony & above.

Diamonds & above, should unlimited comped room service, for JR Suites!

Diamond Plus & above, should get expanded menu for JR Suites. 

[Kbonner]

Diamond + and up should get twice daily cabin service😇

[little britain]

Be like MSC. If you don’t cruise within 3 years your membership expires. 

Edited March 29, 2023 by little britain

[LoungerOnBalcony55]

Good. Teaches children they have to work for things on their own. 

[molly361]

1 hour ago, little britain said:

Be like MSC. If you don’t cruise within 3 years your membership expires. 

I agree that they should at least have some kind of minimum cruises requirements to maintain your status 

[nelblu]

8 hours ago, pcur said:

Politely disagree.  Those who pay for Suite and solo rates should earn extra points to keep it equitable.

I was being facetious and pointing out some of the reasons why the proliferation of the many tier levels, especially Ds and Ps.

[Mapleleafforever]

14 hours ago, Oceansaway17 said:

some day down the road there will be way too many pinnacles.  I don't think children need to be getting points just my opinion.

Some day down the road there will also be less pinnacles as well though. Evens itself out. Also, as some finally reach pinnacle they're approaching the age where cruising becomes more difficult. 

 

Must keep in mind that all new ships are geared towards families and fun factor.

[Mapleleafforever]

At the end of the day it's just a cruise loyalty status that's meaningless in day to day life. 

[nelblu]

3 minutes ago, Mapleleafforever said:

At the end of the day it's just a cruise loyalty status that's meaningless in day to day life. 

However, it's a lot more fun when cruising.

[LuCruise]

1 hour ago, molly361 said:

I agree that they should at least have some kind of minimum cruises requirements to maintain your status 

That could backfire for Royal. Many reasons why someone may not cruise for a few years. An 18 year for example may go to university, focus on career . Then with their own family may start think about cruising with their family. If they have their status, they are more likely to pick Royal. Same for any adult who either doesn't travel for a few years or selects other vacations and then returns for a cruise. 

Edited March 29, 2023 by LuCruise

[Mapleleafforever]

2 minutes ago, nelblu said:

However, it's a lot more fun when cruising.

If they reset everyone's status to gold they'd still cruise. Who knows if the kids will still be cruising on their own once they turn into adults and have their own choice of vacations.