Princess (New) Ships Aren't "Game Changers", Why?

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#41
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One thing I'm pleased about is that Princess is showing restraint with it's new ships. Other lines are building ships that have four, five, even six thousand lower berths. Princess, so far, is staying around 3500. We recently did a Mediterranean cruise on Royal and some ports were so swamped with cruise ship passengers that it was unpleasant.

When we booked I was worried that Royal would be too big but somehow Princess manages to make even the biggest ships in the fleet feel cosy and comfortable. Still, I would like to see Princess build a couple of smaller ships around the size of the Sun class, as these are more suited to some if the itineraries in our part of the world, especially the South Pacific itineraries.
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#42
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Originally posted by Skai
Princess is desperately trying to replenish its aging loyal customer base w/ the next generation of cruisers, but they have fuddy duddys at the helm that are failing to figure out what is 'cool' & 'hip'.
Given that every Princess cruise has 50's and 60's music nights, I don't think they're even trying to attract Gen-X cruisers never-mind the Millennials.
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#43
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Younger cruisers on Carnival and NCL. But still favor 60’s music.
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Originally posted by chengkp75
and there are only two accessible balcony cabins, and these are "deluxe suites", so for accessibility you go from inside, to ocean view, to deluxe suite.

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With an aging demographic I’m surprised they aren’t doing more to make pretty much all cabins more wheelchair friendly, either wider doors or a corale (probably near the elevators) to park and charge.
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#45
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Originally posted by floridalover5623
I would settle for a seat in the show lounge that doesn't require a shoehorn to get into.
The theater seating on RCCL's Liberty of the Seas was worse. As was the totally wasted space of their multideck high open space inside promenade shopping mall.

While I like that Princess is evolutionary not revolutionary, I still miss the Sun Princess class of ships.
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Originally posted by GUT2407
With an aging demographic I’m surprised they aren’t doing more to make pretty much all cabins more wheelchair friendly, either wider doors or a corale (probably near the elevators) to park and charge.
I would think the new badge system could be married to automatic door openers for handicapped cabins. Now that would be a game changer for a lot of people.
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Originally posted by dns65
Given that every Princess cruise has 50's and 60's music nights, I don't think they're even trying to attract Gen-X cruisers never-mind the Millennials.
They've made some forays into the 70s in recent times with their era-themed rock-medleys, heh.

The 'Gastro pub' and 'Share' are definite attempts to appeal to the Hipster-class and move beyond the same ol' Steakhouse/Italian-fare offerings.

One could also state that the 'Ocean Medallion' is a move towards enticing the tech-savvy that are pining for ultimate connectivity.

There's no question that the Princess' primary target demographic are so-called 'empty-nester' couples, or families w/ adult children. The primary average age group on board is at/or very near either side of retirement age.

For Princess to thrive, they need to entice first time cruisers. A bunch of Elites( and/or even Platinums) usually don't bring the onboard spending revenue that new cruisers bring. While they may fill out the cabins, w/ Princess doling out complimentary OBC to savvy/experienced cruisers (that know how to get the most bang for their buck) -- they simply don't spend like new cruisers do.

A loyal and returning customer base may keep the lights on, but as these ships grow to 3k to 3.5k pax, Princess is absolutely aware of the need for a strategy to bring the next generation in. They're simply failing at it atm.

I did hear less 'Andrew Sisters' and 'Benny Goodman' on our last Princess cruise. In fact, the canned music actually had renditions of 'The Doors' and 'Hendrix' in the playlist. "Like...Pretty hip, Daddio." - In my best Maynard G. Krebs voice..
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#48
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Originally posted by Times Prince
The theater seating on RCCL's Liberty of the Seas was worse. As was the totally wasted space of their multideck high open space inside promenade shopping mall.

While I like that Princess is evolutionary not revolutionary, I still miss the Sun Princess class of ships.
How so? They couldn't have made the seats any narrower, could they?
With Princess eliminating the side trays and reducing the width of the seats they're just about as bad as it could get. At least they've added a side isle on the Royal & Regal.
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Originally posted by louden
How about ridiculous balconies, useless pools, useless water show, Princess live!. Princess new ships aren't even IN the game.
Royal class ships are our favorites and we have been on Royal, Regal, Majestic and are booked on the new Sky Princess.....they keep us coming back to Princess......sounds like Royal Caribbean maybe your thing.....the one thing that never changes on a Princess ship is the number of Negaholics who seem to complain about EVERYTHING!!
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Originally posted by PrincessLuver
Royal class ships are our favorites and we have been on Royal, Regal, Majestic and are booked on the new Sky Princess.....they keep us coming back to Princess......sounds like Royal Caribbean maybe your thing.....the one thing that never changes on a Princess ship is the number of Negaholics who seem to complain about EVERYTHING!!
LOL....I feel it is actually the repeat cruisers who sail the same itinerary, and believe me they are on RCI too...just not on the big ships...which might I add is very very nice because new cruisers are still in Awe and so excited about everything.....they are still following the rules, they don't demand things. When you have 1/2 of 6,000 people( Oasis class) that are first time cruisers it is a pure delight.....even if half of them are under 18.


Worst experience with complaining guests was on Majestic 3 weeks Singapore to Shanghai...and the cruise before us 2 blokes and their partners got tossed off the ship due to fisticuffs in the laundry room....
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#51
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Originally posted by need2cruisesoon
I've gotta give MSC (Seaside), X (Edge) and NCL (Bliss) credit for introducing new ships with Game Changing design and unique layouts.

I'm wondering why Princess and also HAL remain stale with new ship design innovations?
The newer ships have become amusement parks for families. not what I want anyway.
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Originally posted by cruzsnooze
The newer ships have become amusement parks for families. not what I want anyway.
Please explain how Celebrity Edge is an amusement park for Families? or the Viking ships?
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I must be in the minority, I really LIKE the promenade deck on the Royal/Regal, the only bummer is that is doesn't have a cover. But normally there is a shady and a sunny side, at night its a really nice quiet comfortable place VS the other ships that the promenade deck has now become the jogging track. And I really don't like the Piazza. To crowded and noisy, I tried having a coffee and conversation with a friend, forget it, we were shouting and nodding. I don't like the outdoor smoking area aft. smells like an ashtray, and then adding the aft "pool" in the same area....YUCK. Narrow balconies I can live with, Horizon Court, I like the layout vs the other ships, which seemed cramped and crowded, but the desert section seems a little out of place...I think it would be better suited farther back. I don't need ice skating rinks, bowling alleys, zip line or rock climbing walls. Give me my balcony and a glass of wine....I'm good
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#54
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Originally posted by floridalover5623
I agree that was annoying but not having outside cabins was more so.
I'm either forced to go to an expensive balcony or the dreaded inside closet like cabins.
On longer cruises it makes a big difference in the total cost.
Totally agree with you! Plaza deck OV cabins are our favorite, both for price and for convenience to the atrium/coffee etc. I don't know why they had to put the spa there on the Royal/Regal. On a cruise, I usually go to the spa daily for the thermal suite and for an occasional massage. We've been on the Royal twice and I used the spa only once--not only is the TS more expensive than on the older ships, but I found the spa very sterile/"cold" and uninviting. So not only lost our beloved Plaza cabin area, but also got an uninviting spa in its place. Too bad the only choices out of FL are the Royal, Regal and Caribbean (which we'll be on in late Feb.). Wish they would bring back one of the other grand class ships to FL and send the CB elsewhere!
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Oh, and another dislike on the Regal/Royal is the placement of the spa right next to the forward elevators. We normally get a forward cabin and when going to the IC or PSD, passing those ladies standing right at the entrance to the elevator banks, and getting the "evil eye"
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#56
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I book a lower deck because I eat breakfast, lunch at IC so I'm always going by the spa! I don't give them a chance to give me a look, I always wave and say, hi gals or guys, here I am again, walking on by!

Someone mentioned fisticuffs, happened right in front of me in the Diamond Lounge on RCI. Two ladies arguing, one a diamond, other "well I'm diamond plus" then the husbands got involved, I left! A day & 1/2 from Fla. and I heard they were confined to their cabins. Ridiculous, all started over some cookies or coffee, taking too many, whatever, it was dumb.
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Originally posted by BarbinMich
Totally agree with you! Plaza deck OV cabins are our favorite, both for price and for convenience to the atrium/coffee etc. I don't know why they had to put the spa there on the Royal/Regal. On a cruise, I usually go to the spa daily for the thermal suite and for an occasional massage. We've been on the Royal twice and I used the spa only once--not only is the TS more expensive than on the older ships, but I found the spa very sterile/"cold" and uninviting. So not only lost our beloved Plaza cabin area, but also got an uninviting spa in its place. Too bad the only choices out of FL are the Royal, Regal and Caribbean (which we'll be on in late Feb.). Wish they would bring back one of the other grand class ships to FL and send the CB elsewhere!
Crown Princess returns to do the 10 night sailings that Royal does now, so there's that. CB is staying in Florida though.
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Originally posted by richsea
Crown Princess returns to do the 10 night sailings that Royal does now, so there's that. CB is staying in Florida though.
Thanks for mentioning that the Crown was coming back--we sailed on her 4x when she was in FL before, including 2 TAs. I was said to see her leave.
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This is simply untrue that Princess doesn't attract a younger demographic. I'm Gen Y/Millennial and I cruise Princess because they aren't going for gimmicks. If I wanted to go to a theme park I would go to a theme park. If I wanted to be on a ship with tacky hydro slides I would go to the local pool (though none really have hydro slides).

I like that Princess retains its class and hasn't given into stupid gimmicks such as RCCL and Carnival.

When I'm cruising all I care about is the size of the ship, the age of the ship, the cost of the booking, the itinerary, Movies under the Stars, the internet, the Lido deck and potentially other activities such as karaoke and the gym.

I also would disagree that interior cabins are stuffy. I've been in them twice and I just use the Lido Deck or the Sports deck when I want to walk around.

I also would disagree that younger newer cruisers spend a lot. I do spend a fair amount on internet but why would I use a cruise ship shop when I can buy things on land? The only things I buy on the ship are internet, a few drinks, a coffee card, maybe a specialty restaurant and maybe a few souvenirs. The rest I would buy at home.
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Originally posted by steelers36
What I would like to see as "game changing" is that Princess get into the 21st century with modern internet. Yeah, I know they are "working on it". I just hope by the time it gets rolled out, they aren't behind in technology again. OM is very ambitious and if they can deliver on the original promise then it is pretty "game changing" for Princess.

The other thing I would like them to go against the grain on is maintain the quality and ask us to pay reasonable cost increases. I don't want to pay the same price now as five years ago or five years from now and give up quality of food, drink and entertainment in the process.
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