sanmarcosman Posted January 8, 2019 #1 Share Posted January 8, 2019 In woman's death: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6565985/Judge-rules-Carnival-cruises-NOT-responsible-death-Texas-mother-fell-overboard.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted January 8, 2019 #2 Share Posted January 8, 2019 No surprise there.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MommytoAsquared Posted January 8, 2019 #3 Share Posted January 8, 2019 There are no winners or losers in this case, but no, I do not think Carnival is legally responsible for her death. I agree with the judge's ruling. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted January 8, 2019 #4 Share Posted January 8, 2019 It is amazing at the frequency these sad events keep happening, I find it hard to believe that anyone could “fall” off of a cruise ship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10Jan54 Posted January 8, 2019 #5 Share Posted January 8, 2019 drinking or not stay off the railings, they are there to protect us from falling. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJSailors Posted January 8, 2019 #6 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Perhaps Carnival needs to review the drink packages offered to passengers. If there is a record of how many alcoholic drinks a person has ordered in a 24 hour period, that information would give the bartenders credibility in cutting someone off who has had too many. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aplmac Posted January 8, 2019 #7 Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, MJSailors said: Perhaps Carnival needs to review the drink packages offered to passengers. If there is a record of how many alcoholic drinks a person has ordered in a 24 hour period, that information would give the bartenders credibility in cutting someone off who has had too many. . I appreciate your very practical idealism but somehow I think your idea would never float. Unfortunately. It would lead to many unpleasant scenes with drunks and God Knows What Else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray98 Posted January 8, 2019 #8 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Not a shock there.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare shof515 Posted January 8, 2019 #9 Share Posted January 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, MJSailors said: Perhaps Carnival needs to review the drink packages offered to passengers. If there is a record of how many alcoholic drinks a person has ordered in a 24 hour period, that information would give the bartenders credibility in cutting someone off who has had too many. some people can drink like a fish and handle a ton of alcohol with no side effects For some, a few drinks and they are already soo wasted they become the crazy insane dunks it is hard to find that perfect balance 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aplmac Posted January 8, 2019 #10 Share Posted January 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, 10Jan54 said: drinking or not -stay off the railings, they are there to protect us from falling. . Industry standard(?) for railing height is around 44 ins. but still they manage to "fall" overboard. That takes some doing! Look how high the railings are on Liberty's top deck! Can you "fall off" them?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHS123 Posted January 8, 2019 #11 Share Posted January 8, 2019 From the article: "Broberg stepped on a lounge chair so that she could sit on the ship's railing." Oopsy daisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebucks Posted January 8, 2019 #12 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, MJSailors said: Perhaps Carnival needs to review the drink packages offered to passengers. If there is a record of how many alcoholic drinks a person has ordered in a 24 hour period, that information would give the bartenders credibility in cutting someone off who has had too many. This is how bad policies begin. "Good intentions" but there's more to the world than that. For one example, a 250 lb man could handle 10 drinks differently than a 100 lb female. Who gets to make the call that enough is enough? Carnival already has a 15 drink limit under Cheers which we hear enough complaining about already. Sad story, good judgement. Edited January 8, 2019 by Joebucks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chervil Posted January 8, 2019 #13 Share Posted January 8, 2019 There comes a point where personal responsibility has to come into play. This was a grown adult woman, who made the decision to drink alcohol. She also made the decision to sit on the safety rail of the ship. She made the decision to climb the chair to do that. At what point is Carnival still responsible? Our cruise last year we saw from our balcony at least 4 different people sit on the railing of their balcony to get photos. Fortunately other people in their cabin started yelling at them to get down, so we didn't have to say anything. But it still amazes me how many people we read about falling off of ships, due exactly to that. These events are tragic and very sad, but ultimately they came down to a personal choice to ignore common sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie562 Posted January 8, 2019 #14 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Carnival is definitely NOT responsible for someones own actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yanicka24 Posted January 8, 2019 #15 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, MJSailors said: Perhaps Carnival needs to review the drink packages offered to passengers. If there is a record of how many alcoholic drinks a person has ordered in a 24 hour period, that information would give the bartenders credibility in cutting someone off who has had too many. How does Carnival control what people drink while in port? We should be able to be adults and make responsible choices or have people with us who can. Not have Carnival babysit us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summersigh Posted January 8, 2019 #16 Share Posted January 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Chervil said: There comes a point where personal responsibility has to come into play. This was a grown adult woman, who made the decision to drink alcohol. She also made the decision to sit on the safety rail of the ship. She made the decision to climb the chair to do that. At what point is Carnival still responsible? These events are tragic and very sad, but ultimately they came down to a personal choice to ignore common sense. well said .... you saved me alot of typing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiser_1977 Posted January 8, 2019 #17 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I am just off the Fantasy. I saw the bartenders in the Majestic Bar cut someone off. He was visibly intoxicated (weaving, slurring, sloppy). His friends and fellow guests supported the bartenders actions. I also saw people hit more than 15 drinks every day and they were intoxicated but in control. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudyard Posted January 8, 2019 #18 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Sometimes it's not easy for the bartenders to tell if someone's had too much, especially if they're getting slammed with orders. I've known plenty of people who could drink enough to where they would make stupid decisions, yet keep it together and seem sober long enough to get another drink. Yes, bartenders are supposed to be trained to spot the drunks, but the occasional person can slip through if they know what the bartender is looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bnorris10 Posted January 8, 2019 #19 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Lady drank Lady decided to step on to a lounge chair Lady fell over Not Carnival's fault I am just saying last cruise when I was drunk - the drunk hubby made sure I made it safely back to our cabin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missholly24 Posted January 8, 2019 #20 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Definitely a bummer for her husband and kids. Alcohol ruins a lot of lives. I never ever ever agree with blaming the bartender. Just a personal opinion--I know its law here in the states but rarely enforced. I think that law is seriously flawed. Stay in control of yourself at all times. No excuses. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StillPooh Posted January 8, 2019 #21 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 hours ago, shof515 said: some people can drink like a fish and handle a ton of alcohol with no side effects For some, a few drinks and they are already soo wasted they become the crazy insane dunks it is hard to find that perfect balance Especially if you’re sitting on a railing! 🤣 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHS123 Posted January 8, 2019 #22 Share Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 30 minutes ago, StillPooh said: Especially if you’re sitting on a railing! 🤣 Even her family said she was tipsy. Edited January 8, 2019 by AHS123 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenline Posted January 9, 2019 #23 Share Posted January 9, 2019 People do lots of stupid things on cruise ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outdoors27 Posted January 9, 2019 #24 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Sad thing that happened but definitely not Carnival's fault.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbarger Posted January 9, 2019 #25 Share Posted January 9, 2019 Two words......Personal responsibility! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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