Will You cancel Your Upcoming Cruises if Royal Caribbean Doesn't Require Vaccinations

[tinkertwo]

Just now, Heymarco said:

What if those questions have already been answered? What if we quite working about what happened in March 2020 and opened our mind to the changes that are now present in summer 2021?

Apparently you didn't read my whole thread so I'll repeat a bit for you.  

 

These are just my thoughts and I know not everyone will agree, that' okay.  No need to quote it and tell me why I'm wrong or that I need to look at doing something else.  We are.  

[Beachammo]

30 minutes ago, cindivan said:

The odds of a vaccinated passenger get it/being contagious are exponentially lower than someone who is not vaccinated. Then it’s just math/probability of potential outbreaks with each additional person who is not vaccinated. 

 

Here is some math....

 

100% of the unvaccinated will test negative before getting on the ship. The only way they'll get it is from a nontested vaccinated carrier.

 

 

[broadwaybaby123]

If I couldn't get the vaccine, I would not consider cruising at this time.  Too many unknowns and restrictions, it's a very fluid situation.

 

However, I am fully vaccinated, and don't mind cruising.  While the vaccines aren't 100% effective, they do prevent you from getting in the hospital (my friend got COVID after getting the first shot and only had a mild case because of the vaccine).  I'm not crazy about the idea of being quarantined on the ship, but if that's what the protocols are, so be it.  I'm a healthcare worker and it's become routine practice for me to self isolate after exposure.

 

I would prefer the cruises to be fully vaccinated (with the exception of kids and those that aren't medically capable of getting the vaccine being the only exceptions), simply due to the relaxed restrictions.  I don't mind abiding by the restrictions within reason (I'm fine with the masking, but not being able to disembark and explore on my own, for example, is something I don't think I'd enjoy).  

[Jasukkie]

1 minute ago, Beachammo said:

 

Here is some math....

 

100% of the unvaccinated will test negative before getting on the ship. The only way they'll get it is from a nontested vaccinated carrier.

 

 

The golfer who tested positive today is a perfect example of how wrong you are. Exposed at the beginning of the week, tested negative, until he didn't. Just think, it's Saturday, he could be boarding a cruise ship with his negative test done on Wednesday. 

[Ourusualbeach]

3 hours ago, Blauelini said:

No worries, by September at the latest RCCL will have  Covid outbreak on one of their ships due to this policy. Media will pounce,  images of people in biohazard suits escorting people off the ship will be broadcast nationwide. RCCL will change their policy overnight for fear of being being shutdown by the CDC.

Royal has been sailing in Singapore since last December and other cruise lines have been sailing in Europe without any vaccinated passengers and no major outbreaks. 

[Beachammo]

3 hours ago, jrapps said:

You bring up a very good point, and I think the 5% was a very arbitrary number.

 

I believe the CDC logic is that it is extremely unlikely for there to be a "break-thru breakout" meaning if 95% are vaccinated, there wont be any outbreak among those people. Even if some of them caught covid from one of the 5% that brought it on, they would almost certainly be asymptomatic and we may never even know about it. If you only focus on the 5%, it would be equally unlikely that enough of those people would 1 - Have covid and 2 - be in close enough vicinity of those exact 5% people (100 people in your 2,000 people example) to cause an outbreak.

 

My point is that many vaccinated can be carriers. Even if 100% are vaccinated and a few bring it onto the ship....some of them or the people around them will still get mildly sick and cause the ship to shutdown.

 

The whole ship would freak out quickly!

 

If everyone is tested prior to boarding that lessens the chances.

[Goodtime Cruizin]

3 hours ago, Blauelini said:

No worries, by September at the latest RCCL will have  Covid outbreak on one of their ships due to this policy. Media will pounce,  images of people in biohazard suits escorting people off the ship will be broadcast nationwide. RCCL will change their policy overnight for fear of being being shutdown by the CDC.

 

Naw... here's what I see happening. 

 

All will be encouraged to cruise. Vaxed or Non-Vaxed

Vaxers will have more freedom of protocals on the ship. (no masks, less restrictions)

Non-vaxers will have more restrictive protocals. (masks, more restrictions) 

Thus making more attractive to get the vax before your cruise.

Once your vax record this is shown/uploaded 'voluntarily' ,  you'll be allowed to go 'freely' w/ a different type/color of 'tracelet'. RCL is very good at this. As an example, the majority of guests buy the Deluxe Bev Pkg because they price the single drinks at high prices, thus one generally decides to buy the package. It's a buying decision. Well, vaxing or non vaxing is going to be a 'comfort' decision. 

 

It's my belief that the real issue with most cruisers will be the ability to enjoy a cruise w/o invasive covid protocals, and not the issue of 100% vaxed cruises. If they make too uncomfortable for non-vaxers to go on a cruise, they won't go or they vax up. If they make comfortable & covid free protocals for vaxed cruisers, they'll get on a ship & go. 

 

It appears thar RCL has decided to actually police the cruisers. It should be very interesting to see how the herd the masses from one another and keep the vaxers & non vaxers seperated.

 

 

[Jasukkie]

1 minute ago, Heymarco said:

So what? A single person has it onboard and gets isolated. The probability of major spread is over.

So how would he know he has it? He tested negative, he thinks he picked up a cold on the plane. He's coughing, but it's not covid, because he had a negative test, so no worries right? Maybe he only gives it to a few people, but one of them is obese and diabetic, and in a few days, they need to be evacuated. And the media pounces. 

[RoyalC]

4 hours ago, Blauelini said:

No worries, by September at the latest RCCL will have  Covid outbreak on one of their ships due to this policy. Media will pounce,  images of people in biohazard suits escorting people off the ship will be broadcast nationwide. RCCL will change their policy overnight for fear of being being shutdown by the CDC.

They are already sailing with this policy in other parts of the world and crickets by the media because all is good so far.

[Jimbo]

1 minute ago, RoyalC said:

They are already sailing with this policy in other parts of the world and crickets by the media because all is good so far.

Not American Cruisers.

[RoyalC]

5 minutes ago, Beachammo said:

 

My point is that many vaccinated can be carriers. Even if 100% are vaccinated and a few bring it onto the ship....some of them or the people around them will still get mildly sick and cause the ship to shutdown.

 

The whole ship would freak out quickly!

 

If everyone is tested prior to boarding that lessens the chances.

People get mildly sick mid-cruise on nearly every RCL cruise I have been on because of the smoking. Celebrity doesn't have that problem.

[catlady66]

What was the point of getting vaccinated if it won’t protect you from unvaccinated?  

[Goodtime Cruizin]

2 minutes ago, catlady66 said:

What was the point of getting vaccinated if it won’t protect you from unvaccinated?  

 

Well it actually protects you from Covid. Both vax and unvaxed people can carry covid. 

[Biker19]

8 minutes ago, Beachammo said:

 

The whole ship would freak out quickly!

Very tough to let the Diamond Princess story go, right?

[cindivan]

18 minutes ago, Beachammo said:

 

Here is some math....

 

100% of the unvaccinated will test negative before getting on the ship. The only way they'll get it is from a nontested vaccinated carrier.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Goodtime Cruizin said:

 

Naw... here's what I see happening. 

 

All will be encouraged to cruise. Vaxed or Non-Vaxed

Vaxers will have more freedom of protocals on the ship. (no masks, less restrictions)

Non-vaxers will have more restrictive protocals. (masks, more restrictions) 

Thus making more attractive to get the vax before your cruise.

Once your vax record this is shown/uploaded 'voluntarily' ,  you'll be allowed to go 'freely' w/ a different type/color of 'tracelet'. RCL is very good at this. As an example, the majority of guests buy the Deluxe Bev Pkg because they price the single drinks at high prices, thus one generally decides to buy the package. It's a buying decision. Well, vaxing or non vaxing is going to be a 'comfort' decision. 

 

It's my belief that the real issue with most cruisers will be the ability to enjoy a cruise w/o invasive covid protocals, and not the issue of 100% vaxed cruises. If they make too uncomfortable for non-vaxers to go on a cruise, they won't go or they vax up. If they make comfortable & covid free protocals for vaxed cruisers, they'll get on a ship & go. 

 

It appears thar RCL has decided to actually police the cruisers. It should be very interesting to see how the herd the masses from one another and keep the vaxers & non vaxers seperated.

 

 

I will gladly deal with tan lines from a vaxxed bracelet than a mask. It will definitely be interesting to see how RC thinks they can enforce rules with those not vaxxed vs vaxxed.   I foresee a lot of videos with angry people on social media being told they have restrictions if RC really tries to differentiate. 

[cindivan]

4 minutes ago, catlady66 said:

What was the point of getting vaccinated if it won’t protect you from unvaccinated?  

It does protect you from you from covid. Just won’t protect you from possibly being quarantined in your room or stuck at sea of ports won’t let you in if there is an outbreak. 

[RoyalC]

3 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

Very tough to let the Diamond Princess story go, right?

300 ships sailing at the time period and one gets all the attention.

[zdad59]

We aren't scheduled to sail until January on Odyssey.     I fully expected when we booked that things will be completely different by then.    But that's not the point for me.   RCL announced that they would return to sail and ask for proof of vaccination.    They didn't say they would require everyone be vaccinated but they did say they would be asking.   Richard Fain said "We expect everyone that is eligible for a vaccine will be expected to have one."    I am irked that they backed down from a key element they used to promote a return to sailing.    I say it is spineless and a very visible lowering of standards.    

 

We will likely cancel, again not because we expect anything to be really different than what we thought we'd get in January, but because we are disappointed in RCLs ethics on the matter.

[RoyalC]

2 minutes ago, cindivan said:

It does protect you from you from covid. Just won’t protect you from possibly being quarantined in your room or stuck at sea of ports won’t let you in if there is an outbreak. 

Just like Norovirus. We all better stay home. Actually the more that stay home the better- lower prices!

[Blauelini]

11 minutes ago, RoyalC said:

They are already sailing with this policy in other parts of the world and crickets by the media because all is good so far.

American media barely registers anything happening in Singapore.  Now, say 5 positive Covid cases on a RCCL ship pulling into Miami? There will be news helicopters trying not to hit each other filming its every move.

[Biker19]

Just now, zdad59 said:

We will likely cancel, again not because we expect anything to be really different than what we thought we'd get in January, but because we are disappointed in RCLs ethics on the matter.

If RCI ethics are your criteria, you should probably never book again. 

[cindivan]

1 minute ago, RoyalC said:

Just like Norovirus. We all better stay home. Actually the more that stay home the better- lower prices!

Has there ever been a quarantine/ship not allowed into ports because of norovirus?

[crzndeb]

21 minutes ago, Ourusualbeach said:

Royal has been sailing in Singapore since last December and other cruise lines have been sailing in Europe without any vaccinated passengers and no major outbreaks. 

But Ken, you know people would rather come here and just be downright nasty to other posters, than look at actual scenarios. 

[zdad59]

2 minutes ago, Biker19 said:

If RCI ethics are your criteria, you should probably never book again. 

That is an option.

[Biker19]

Just now, cindivan said:

Has there ever been a quarantine/ship not allowed into ports because of norovirus?

Yep, Oasis was denied in Falmouth and cruise cut short due to noro.