Will You cancel Your Upcoming Cruises if Royal Caribbean Doesn't Require Vaccinations

[3kidsncats]

1 hour ago, Heymarco said:

You just summed up the standard risk of any cruise ever. We are back to where things were before, thanks for confirming.

Except for the potential death part, for the unvaccinated.  Most people can anticipate a full recovery from Noro

[cindivan]

1 minute ago, harkinmr said:

There’s no saying that will be the case in October, but it is the policy now. Could it change? Certainly. But I think it’s inaccurate to say there’s any assurance that being infected, or a close contact of someone who is infected, will not have a negative impact.  I would hope that RCI will be upfront with cruisers about what will be the procedures in the event of any level of infection.  A lot of emphasis on the word “hope”. 

I’m not sure I understand your point.
 

Sure, I could still get covid after being vaccinated. Life has no guarantees (Except for death and for most of us taxes,  not my quote obviously).   I will wear my mask into businesses that ask for me to wear it.   But I’m loving not wearing it and don’t need to virtue signal anyone by wearing it when I don’t have to. I made a personal choice to get vaccinated and not pushing that on anyone. But I don’t want to wear a mask on a cruise and possibly get quarantined in my room when there are a lot of other vacation options put there. 

[harkinmr]

2 minutes ago, cindivan said:

I’m not sure I understand your point.
 

Sure, I could still get covid after being vaccinated. Life has no guarantees (Except for death and for most of us taxes,  not my quote obviously).   I will wear my mask into businesses that ask for me to wear it.   But I’m loving not wearing it and don’t need to virtue signal anyone by wearing it when I don’t have to. I made a personal choice to get vaccinated and not pushing that on anyone. But I don’t want to wear a mask on a cruise and possibly get quarantined in my room when there are a lot of other vacation options put there. 

I was responding to your concern about the CDC threshold of infection provision. You commented on your October cruise and I just said that that provision may or may not still apply. That provision has nothing to do with masks or other protocols. 

[cindivan]

5 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

I was responding to your concern about the CDC threshold of infection provision. You commented on your October cruise and I just said that that provision may or may not still apply. That provision has nothing to do with masks or other protocols. 

Ok thanks. Final payment is due end of July so I guess we will have some time (4 weeks-ish from the US without meeting the 95%) to see how it all rolls out. I have way too much FCC to bet any more on the CWC thing when it’s so unknown. So sad because I’m so ready to go!  

Edited June 6, 2021 by cindivan

[3kidsncats]

33 minutes ago, PropsR4boats said:

 

Brought to you from the same people parroting, "follow the science."

at least up until it doesn't match their narrative or feelings.

 

COVID cases continue to decline drastically every single day.... You people are ridiculous.

Yes, the science clearly indicates unvaccinated, unmasked people congregating will pass Covid to each other.  Covid is declining BECAUSE many people are getting vaccinated. Hello, pay attention

[cruiserking]

2 hours ago, Heymarco said:

The amount of people that will cancel will probably be equal to the amount of people that will take or keep cruises for non-vaccinations. As someone who got the vaccine, we need to be open and respectful of those that choose not to get it. Businesses should never be allowed to require a vaccine that has not even been fully approved yet.

I'm not so sure about that. Royal Caribbean often touts "The safety of our passengers and crew is our number one priority and fundamental to our operations". It sure doesn't seem that way when they turned on a dime from 12 and up fully vaccinated to "We recommend that you get vaccinated. 

 

It appears they are more interested in sailing six cruises a week from Florida and let Safety take a powder on the balcony until we get to Coco Cay.

 

Jonathan

[3kidsncats]

40 minutes ago, jrapps said:

I think she meant Countries, not counties. And yes there are massive outbreaks in other parts of the world (India comes to mind). The vaccine has thankfully been good for variants so far. Past success is not a guarantee of future success.

 

I think everyone needs to take a breath here. We can disagree without the fire and brimstone.

Yes, if my original post said counties, that was a typo.  Countries is what I meant.

[SheriffJoe]

36 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Yes, places where people follow the protocols and don’t whine about their personal freedoms — like Singapore

You are correct...have you ever been to Singapore, its a VERY lovely city/state, great food, great sights and much more....including the death penalty for small amounts of drugs, barbaric caning for petty crimes and on and on....I think I'll keep my personal freedoms.

[cruiserking]

3 hours ago, Beachammo said:

 

Here is some math....

 

100% of the unvaccinated will test negative before getting on the ship. The only way they'll get it is from a nontested vaccinated carrier.

 

 

And the Big Bad Wolf will blow down the brick house and the straw house will still be standing. That kind of nonsense rationale doesn't even fly in fairy tales.

 

Jonathan

[chefchick]

3 hours ago, RoyalC said:

How do you feel about the rest of the United States now being wide open without masks at full capacity at stadiums and restaurants, etc., no distancing required?

I “feel” great about it...because I CHOSE to get vaccinated...this is still America, if someone chooses to not get vaccinated (who is eligible) they should also understand that that “choice” has consequences...in regards to cruise ships....that should mean IMO, that unvaccinated should assume they will be tested, masked, social distanced, or simply not allowed to sail.

[3kidsncats]

8 minutes ago, SheriffJoe said:

You are correct...have you ever been to Singapore, its a VERY lovely city/state, great food, great sights and much more....including the death penalty for small amounts of drugs, barbaric caning for petty crimes and on and on....I think I'll keep my personal freedoms.

I have not, but my husband does for work, and I have friends that live there.  The laws and consequences you mention are why you really can’t  compare the success of Singaporean passenger cruises with American ones — Americans tend to be all about their personal freedoms, sometimes to the detriment of society

Edited June 6, 2021 by 3kidsncats

[SheriffJoe]

3 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

I have not, but my husband does for work, and I have friends that live there.  The laws and consequences you mention are why you really can’t  compare the success of Singaporean passenger cruises with American ones — Americans tend to be all about their personal freedoms, sometimes to the detriment of society

Yes its QUITE obvious you have not...Singaporeans are DEEPLY scared of their government which is exactly what the government wants and they do stay in line and outwardly present a very nice and compliant society.....because its THE CANE if they don't

[3kidsncats]

2 minutes ago, SheriffJoe said:

Yes its QUITE obvious you have not...Singaporeans are DEEPLY scared of their government which is exactly what the government wants and they do stay in line and outwardly present a very nice and compliant society.....because its THE CANE if they don't

Yes, as I said, consequences.  I never said the consequences fit the “crime” — only that because of this very societal reality in places like Singapore, you can’t compare their Covid protocol outcomes to American ones.  

[Mariketa]

3 hours ago, Biker19 said:

Very tough to let the Diamond Princess story go, right?

This is why the requirement to be vaccinated on a ship is so ridiculous. They had a captive audience, of course the outbreak looked terrible. Let them test and track all the Disney goers, casino players, etc. There is zero reason to test and track only one business. So many hundreds of thousands of people touching ride rails and gaming machines each day, but let’s treat cruises differently because there’s just one way out and we love to flex our governmental might. 😂

[forgotmyCCname]

4 hours ago, cindivan said:

Has there ever been a quarantine/ship not allowed into ports because of norovirus?

Yes. And during the Ebola scare as well.

Edited June 6, 2021 by forgotmyCCname

[ChuckRambo]

39 minutes ago, JCDCA said:

Actually not correct in the least.  Ever sent a kid to school and had to show a vaccine record? 

Ever heard of a logical fallacy? How about non sequitur...has that one ever crossed your radar?

 

RC is not a school.

 

Schools are typically required by state law (not federal law) to have proof of immunization for minors. There is a specific carve out in HIPAA that allows parents (and students 18 and over) to give permission to a school  to access medical records of a minor. Those parents not wishing to grant permission are free to home school their children and many do. There is no exception in HIPAA for cruise lines. 

Edited June 6, 2021 by ChuckRambo

[grandgeezer]

1 hour ago, JCDCA said:

Actually not correct in the least.  Ever sent a kid to school and had to show a vaccine record? 

Yes, in the mid 70s.

[3kidsncats]

1 hour ago, JCDCA said:

Actually not correct in the least.  Ever sent a kid to school and had to show a vaccine record? 

As recently as this month — my youngest has to submit her Covid vaccine proof in order to return to her university campus in the fall.  This is in addition to all of the other vaccines she was required to show proof of when she first went to college.  And High School, Middle school, etc. just like her sisters, and every other student.  It’s not new, or illegal.

[firekapy]

11 hours ago, Kalousdi said:

I am vaccinated and more than comfortable going on a ship that has unvaccinated people on it.  I think more than enough people are comfortable and ready to cruise again.  If you are not comfortable then you should not be going and choose another line that works for you.  

I guess as long as you don’t mind having to wear a mask everywhere. 

[firekapy]

11 hours ago, wingatesl said:

The vaccination status of others will not affect my choice to cruise. The only reason the coronavirus affected it is because they were shut down. 

I’m tired of having to wear a mask.  But, hey if that is what floats your boat more power to you. 

[Biker19]

7 hours ago, coldflame said:

 

That might have changed, actually. I'm pretty certain it was here: Technical Instructions for Mitigation of COVID-19 Among Cruise Ship Crew | Quarantine | CDC

I read through some more of the CDC guidelines and there is a condition when CDC says to cancel a sailing:

 

During simulated voyages, this threshold is met when 1.5% of COVID-19 cases is detected in passengers or 1.0% of COVID-19 cases is detected in crew.

 

Technical Instructions for Simulated Voyages by Cruise Ship Operators under CDC’s Framework for Conditional Sailing Order | Quarantine | CDC

 

But, nowhere did I find anything similar to revenue sailings. The CDC web site did mention that they don't plan to release any Phase 4 (Restricted passenger voyages) related documents, but simply update the existing site with info from Phase 2B and 3.

 

 

[ccndfw]

12 hours ago, Blauelini said:

No worries, by September at the latest RCCL will have  Covid outbreak on one of their ships due to this policy. Media will pounce,  images of people in biohazard suits escorting people off the ship will be broadcast nationwide. RCCL will change their policy overnight for fear of being being shutdown by the CDC.

A bit dramatic… A lot has happened in the past 18 months and now they know a lot more about covid and there really should be no reason to quarantine an entire ship… anyone vaccinated should be able to come and go on the ship as they please.  The real question is, how will they actually handle this?  They need to publish their plan and let people decide based on that info.  

[A&L_Ont]

10 hours ago, M8VER3 said:

They don’t 

Not yet, for sure.
 

When ships sail in a few weeks from the islands, and soon the US, we shall see.  Fingers crossed this all about nothing, but IMO there will be some pop up cases. Way less though than had they started last fall. 

[Demongear]

Here is an outside the box idea on how to satisfy everybody. Royal has multiple ships doing the same durations and similar itineraries, ie: 3&4 night Bahamas out of PC and Miami. Make 1 ship that proof of vaccinations are required and 1 ship where they are not. Then people can make a choice just like we make a choice in what cruise to book. It could also set a delta for the cruise industry as to what the numbers of infection flare-ups are for on each type of cruise. 

[d9704011]

Time to switch from Guinness to tonic water.