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Will You cancel Your Upcoming Cruises if Royal Caribbean Doesn't Require Vaccinations


If Royal Caribbean Doesn't Require Vaccinations will you cancel your cruise?  

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  1. 1. How Do You Feel About Royal Caribbean not requesting vaccinations

    • We will cancel our upcoming cruise(s) if Royal Caribbean does not require vaccinations
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    • We Don't have concerns with with Royal Caribbean not Requiring Vaccinations
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3 minutes ago, Heymarco said:

Data not showing upticks.

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Yes, you see that still very large hump on the far right — see how much bigger it is than the flat line all the way on the left?  That is the data telling us that there is still a lot of Covid globally.  And when you average the countries that are doing very well, like the US, with countries that aren’t, you get a number roughly in the middle— not a number that shows just how bad things are in an individual country.  So you can choose to ignore the data and science, pretend that you aren’t, and continue living in your happy place, but that doesn’t make your happy place accurate.

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20 hours ago, Kalousdi said:

I am vaccinated and more than comfortable going on a ship that has unvaccinated people on it.  I think more than enough people are comfortable and ready to cruise again.  If you are not comfortable then you should not be going and choose another line that works for you.  

Have fun if someone on board gets COVID and you're either stuck at sea, ports won't allow you access or your cruise is cut short.

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15 hours ago, Cigar King said:

And your law degree is from where?

Do your research & prove me wrong. As long as it is an experimental drug, it is illegal to require people to get it. If the vaccines are so good, what difference does it make if I have it or not? 

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53 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

You just don't like following rules or having anybody tell you what you have to do..........then wow, you better stay off of cruiseships.

Find another kind of vacation please where you are more in control.

Huh you sound crazy and sure do judge.

 

Just a fyi, there is a BIG difference between people who dont follow rules and not liking the cdc deciding on rules. But maybe you just want to act like you think not liking rules means not following them.

 

I've posted many times that whatever the rules are I will follow them ... unlike many others who plan on cancelling because unlike me they wouldnt follow the rules if they dont like them.

 

So you want to tell me to not cruise even though i will follow the rules, because i dont care for the cdc. Silly post. I'll cruise and enjoy the ocean. Get off your judgemental chair. Enjoy life. Maybe you are in a bad mood to tell me what I need to do. I love the ocean. That's why I cruise so whatever the rules, I'm going, no matter if you approve or not. Geesh. 

 

I was a NO vote on cancelling of course. 

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13 minutes ago, TheHawk1 said:

Going on a cruise anywhere in the next year will be a big leap of faith that all the scientists have everything figured out.  It's not making it any easier when cruise lines want to put profits or politics above their customers' safety.

Wow, actually no I doubt people who plan on cruising think the cruiselines have everything figured out. Hey i dont care if i eat alone or sit alone at the pool reading a book. No it doesnt mean I feel the cruiselines have everything figured out, but I want life to start back to a way to cope.

 

I'll be the Guinea pig. I'm vaccinated and willing to sacrifice myself for you all.

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5 minutes ago, FOXTROT said:

Do your research & prove me wrong. As long as it is an experimental drug, it is illegal to require people to get it. If the vaccines are so good, what difference does it make if I have it or not? 

Oh my.  Google is your friend.  It is not illegal to require a COVID-19 vaccine under an EUA.  In fact, hundreds of employers and universities across the country are doing it already.  Will there be legal challenges?  Yes, likely.  Will those challenges be successful?  Who knows, but historically vaccine mandates have been allowed by law.

 

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/eeoc-updated-guidance-covid-19-vaccinations-employer-policies-obligations-and

 

https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/05/authorization-status-covid-19-vaccine-red-herring-mandating-vaccination/

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44 minutes ago, Tree_skier said:

I have cruised with Germans and Italians on MSC.  Their behavior was no better than any American dominated cruise I have been on. They are just as likely to push and shove, cut into the queue and shoulder their way to the front at a bar as anyone else.  As well as cruising on MSC I have done many land based trips to Europe. Your assumption that American are more poorly behaved than Europeans is an unfounded stereotype that I have never seen in all my travels abroad.

Agreed. 

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2 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

Wow, actually no I doubt people who plan on cruising think the cruiselines have everything figured out. Hey i dont care if i eat alone or sit alone at the pool reading a book. No it doesnt mean I feel the cruiselines have everything figured out, but I want life to start back to a way to cope.

 

I'll be the Guinea pig. I'm vaccinated and willing to sacrifice myself for you all.

Thank you firefly333!  We appreciate you. 😃

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5 minutes ago, pinnacleking2021 said:

this is how i feel i got vaccinated but i don't care who cruises but i will care if they require mask wearing to accommodate unvaccinated guests 


i too am vaccinated and was hopeful I would be cruising with others who were as well, the thought of wearing the mask to accommodate others not vaccinated would definitely give going a second thought if that was a requirement.

 

Not looking forward to being stuck in my cabin unable to enjoy my expensive vacation due to an outbreak ☹️

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58 minutes ago, Jimbo said:

Why do people keep continuing to say about what other ships are doing in other parts of the world.............We are talking about American Passengers........you know the ones that butt inline, the ones that that try to beat the system, the ones that don't listen to directions, the ones that don't like to be told what they can and can not do on a cruise........you know the ones at Customer Relation bitching and moaning about any little thing.........

Jeeze, stop the thing, what other ships are doing with non american people onboard.

Worst passenger behavior I have seen was on MSC, and as a US citizen, I was definitely in the minority..

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51 minutes ago, Tree_skier said:

I read this too and have been perplexed by many of the comments on this thread.  It's almost as if folks haven't actually read what Royal has said and jumped to whatever conclusion is their worst case scenario.

People tend to shape their interpretation of what they see, hear, or read based on their preconceived views and biases. If a statement like the one RCL actually issued is contrary to their bias, they will inevitably find a way to distort, discount, or discredit the statement and anyone who recounts the statement as representing fact. 

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22 minutes ago, 3kidsncats said:

Yes, you see that still very large hump on the far right — see how much bigger it is than the flat line all the way on the left?  That is the data telling us that there is still a lot of Covid globally.  And when you average the countries that are doing very well, like the US, with countries that aren’t, you get a number roughly in the middle— not a number that shows just how bad things are in an individual country.  So you can choose to ignore the data and science, pretend that you aren’t, and continue living in your happy place, but that doesn’t make your happy place accurate.

I can tell you don’t look at a lot of data often. The hump peaked in about March and has been rapidly declining ever since. It’s about the same time global vaccines picked up. You can see similar trend in US, except it’s back to March 2020 levels. A couple more months and rest of world will be there too. Again, very positive trends, no spikes or major outbreaks on larger scale.

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30 minutes ago, FOXTROT said:

It is illegal to require anyone to get an experimental drug. You can start by researching the Nuremburg Code & then try various government laws. Then start researching various laws against HIPPA & Disability Acts. The Chinese Virus vaccines are still experimental & schools can require them but they will loose when challenged.

So, in other words, you don’t have a statute you are referencing?  HIPAA prevents any medical or related professional from disclosing a patient’s medical record without the patient’s consent — it does not prevent someone from being required to produce vaccine records.  I doubt the disability act does either.  The Nuremberg Code is a set of medical ethics (not a law) about experimenting on people— requiring a vaccine to engage in a choice (to attend in person schooling, be in public places without masking, cruising) is not forcing anybody to be vaccinated.  

 

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Just now, harkinmr said:

Thank you firefly333!  We appreciate you. 😃

And if we have a outbreak and a few days added on I'll be heartbroken when they add more loyalty pts. Bring it on! Ha.

 

I'm retired so all these people worried about getting quarantined on the ship .. as long as I get more loyalty pts, sign me up! I for sure will bring extra books. Does chops deliver? If any think they are scaring me, I'm like ...hey can I go sooner, where do I sign ... I gave in and booked oct yesterday on carnival including cheers. It's a sacrifice I admit to go with the drink pkg, but I decided I was just the person to do it, and my ta added cheers to my sept date. Bring it on. I'm sooo ready.

 

What's the deal with all this doom and gloom? 

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23 minutes ago, FOXTROT said:

Do your research & prove me wrong. As long as it is an experimental drug, it is illegal to require people to get it. If the vaccines are so good, what difference does it make if I have it or not? 

Please stop spreading lies.

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4 minutes ago, firefly333 said:

And if we have a outbreak and a few days added on I'll be heartbroken when they add more loyalty pts. Bring it on! Ha.

 

I'm retired so all these people worried about getting quarantined on the ship .. as long as I get more loyalty pts, sign me up! I for sure will bring extra books. Does chops deliver? If any think they are scaring me, I'm like ...hey can I go sooner, where do I sign ... I gave in and booked oct yesterday on carnival including cheers. It's a sacrifice I admit to go with the drink pkg, but I decided I was just the person to do it, and my ta added cheers to my sept date. Bring it on. I'm sooo ready.

 

What's the deal with all this doom and gloom? 

You have a very positive attitude firefly.  I really do wish you the best on your cruises and I hope you'll let us know your experiences.

 

I'm not sure it is "doom and gloom", but more a concern about the unknown and an investment of time and money that may result in an unexpectedly unsatisfactory experience.  The cruising restart is filled with stressors so I think we have to give people a little freedom to worry.

 

I'm not as daring a soul as you I guess, so I am booking Celebrity Edge for September where I can be more sure of the vaccine mandate and hopefully a "protocol free" cruise.  Again, enjoy your sailings!

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Posted (edited)
21 hours ago, cruiserking said:

Thoroughly disgusted by Royal Caribbean's latest decision not to require vaccinations. Just curious how many people Royal can expect to cancel their cruises in the near future if the this dangerous policy stays in place. 

 

Jonathan

I have not read the full thread, so excuse any overlap.

 

Imnho and based off what I saw on a YT video of MCS protocols, I expect mandatory for ALL cruisers contact tracing bracelets that also act as a touchless cruise cards. I would expect then to come in two colors, vacinated, unvacinated. 

 

I then would expect mandated mask use for unvacinated cruiser. I would hope repeated violation would result in being removed at the next port, or at least mandated quarentine in you cabin. There may be required pre-bording RCL covid testing and repeated covid testing for unvacinated cruisers.

 

I also expect that there would be certian activities banned for unvacinated cruisers. Specialty dining. Shows, or at least being seated in an unvacinated section. Casino. Certain enclosed bars or eating venues.

 

Todate RCL says the "expect" cruisers will be 95% fully vacinated.

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28 minutes ago, FOXTROT said:

Do your research & prove me wrong. As long as it is an experimental drug, it is illegal to require people to get it. If the vaccines are so good, what difference does it make if I have it or not? 

Actually, it's not experimental, it's authorized under emergency authorization.  Many colleges, for instance, are requiring the vaccine to be on campus in the Fall.

https://www.google.com/search?q=can+colleges+require+covid+vaccine&oq=can+colleges+rewuirr&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i13l4.7415j0j7&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#ip=1

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1 minute ago, untailored bostonian said:

 

Todate RCL says the "expect" cruisers will be 95% fully vacinated.

Yes, and I expect to win the lottery this week. 😉

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43 minutes ago, FOXTROT said:

Do your research & prove me wrong. As long as it is an experimental drug, it is illegal to require people to get it. If the vaccines are so good, what difference does it make if I have it or not? 

OMG!  A real Q-Brain commitment.

 

These vaccines are not a drug.

 

These vaccines are not unproven. Quite the opposite they have been rigorously studied and PROVEN safe ad effective.

 

There are cicles of people in this country sadly misinformed by the disinformation generated by the likes of the followers of QAnon and the delusional politicians of a once great party.

 

"Prove me wrong"?  I don't think you know enough science to know the truth and just believe the lies of a Carlson or ONA.

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10 minutes ago, harkinmr said:

Yes, and I expect to win the lottery this week. 😉

I know. 😆  There is some qualifications by age, but all unvcinated including children will be wearing masks all cruise.

 

The contact tracing bracelets will set off the anti vaxers too.

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In answer to the original question of  this thread - yes, I'd cancel if I could.  But I have FCC's that will expire in September, 2022, and most likely will not be able to sail in the summer of 2022.  We picked the January, 2022, date, because of the pricing and the fact that the date worked.

 

We are sitting tight right now and waiting to see what happens since we can't get a refund at this point. It may be a moot point, though. If RCCL sailings go out with no vaccine requirements and there's Covid outbreaks on board which I think is more likely under those conditions, who knows what will happen with cruises after that.

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1 minute ago, pinnacleking2021 said:

IMAGINE YOU ARE VACCINATED AND YOUR ABOUT TO BOARD THE SHIP AND YOU TEST POSITIVE FOR COVID EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE NO SYMPTOMS..NIGHTMARE

 

SAY NO TO ANY TESTING ON CRUISES GET RID OF MASK RULES VACCINE REQUIREMENTS AND TESTING

 

I AM VACCINATED BUT I AM AGAISNT FORCING PEOPLE TO GET THE VACCINE I AM AGAISNT TESTING AND I AM VERY MUCH AGAISNT MASK WEARING 


Why the yelling?  It isn’t going to change peoples opinions.

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