Booster jabs

[TeeRick]

Just now, rucrazy said:

Should happen once full approval for Moderna Vaccine happens(my best guess is in the next 21 days)

They might approve a Moderna booster under the EUA prior to full approval.  In any case very soon I think.

[rucrazy]

5 minutes ago, TeeRick said:

They might approve a Moderna booster under the EUA prior to full approval.

They "may"... certainly above my paygrade!!

[sandancer]

23 hours ago, upwarduk said:

I read this morning, that Lincolnshire are only giving Pfizer as 3 rd doses.

A case of watch this space I think.

Having mine today. First 2 were AZ. I’ll let you know which one I have. 

[cangelmd]

1 hour ago, TeeRick said:

Pfizer’s was just approved for a booster by the FDA for 65+ at 6 months post second injection.  I expect Moderna will follow soon.  

Also for workers at high risk.

[gerelmx]

I would be more concerned about the new mandate that Austria and Croatia are already applying and that it may be expanded to other countries: The vaccination certificate is valid for 270 days from the date of the 2nd dose.

 

[Covepointcruiser]

When we passed through Germany on our way to Greece we were told our 2nd vaccination could be no older than six months.   There are loads of immunocompromised individuals on the cruise critic board and they have received their boosters.

[nocl]

On 9/22/2021 at 3:17 AM, TeeRick said:

As far as I am aware only Pfizer third doses are approved in the US and only for certain immunocompromised conditions.  How did you get a Moderna booster?

There was an EUA for Moderna for immunocompromised at the same time as Pfizer, but nodata yet submitted for wider use.

[Ken the cruiser]

All right!! Us folks over 65 are cleared to get our 3rd Pfizer shot (booster) and we just booked our CVS appointments for tomorrow. Yes!! The "Light" is just getting brighter and brighter. 😎

 

CDC advisers recommend who can get Pfizer booster shots (msn.com)

 

[whirlybird3]

From what I understand after chatting with my medical director, there is a difference between 3rd shot and booster.  A third shot is the same dose given after the first and second dose for immune compromise people.  

The booster shot is given after 6 to 8 months after the second shot.  

As of now, the Pfizer third shot and booster dose are the same.  The Moderna third shot is a full dose and the Moderna booster shot is a half dose.  I have not yet to verify the "booster" dose for J&J. 

[canderson]

Seems that 'boosters' of Moderna are already available here in Colorado.

[tert333]

1 minute ago, canderson said:

Seems that 'boosters' of Moderna are already available here in Colorado.

What do you think the cruiselines will do?   Will they mandate the recommendations coming from the CDC --- ie. will you need to get a booster 6 months after your last pfizer dose, if you are over 65 and want to cruise?

[Ken the cruiser]

6 minutes ago, canderson said:

Seems that 'boosters' of Moderna are already available here in Colorado.

Really? Has the FDA and the CDC deemed what dosage is approved for the Moderna booster and who is authorized to get it? If you can post a link that would be great.

[canderson]

1 minute ago, Ken the cruiser said:

Really? Has the FDA and the CDC deemed what dosage is approved for the Moderna booster and who is authorized to get it? If you can post a link that would be great.

No idea what dosage is being provided.  May look into it for the pair of us 'over 65ers'.  'Authorization', as it was for the classes and schedules the first time around, seems to be a State by State proposition.

[hcat]

On 9/21/2021 at 1:41 PM, sunonfire said:

My husband and I had the Moderna booster and this time we only had sore arms - that only lasted a few hours. 

Approved in Fla?  Where did you go? 

 

Our original shots were at a hosp vaccination clinic in Desoto County..no longer operating. Hope to be back in Fl soon..hope to get the booster & hope Medicare will cover,

[hcat]

12 hours ago, TeeRick said:

Pfizer’s was just approved for a booster by the FDA for 65+ at 6 months post second injection.  I expect Moderna will follow soon.  

We are 8 months past our  2nd Moderna shots and over 65. I have Type 2 diabetes so hopefully  I will be eligible...maybe even in NY,,,but def Fl.  Would be good timing b/c we are hoping to cruise in January.

[DaKahuna]

We received our last shot on March 13.  We are going to go and get our booster shots next month.

[Auntiemomo]

Not sure I would take medical advice/recommendations from CC.  Everyone's circumstance is different.  Check with your Doctor before getting a booster jab.

[canderson]

8 minutes ago, Auntiemomo said:

Not sure I would take medical advice/recommendations from CC.  Everyone's circumstance is different.  Check with your Doctor before getting a booster jab.

I just reread the thread to be sure I hadn't missed something, and found zero instances of anyone recommending that another person do or not do anything.

[Ipeeinthepools]

Is there any discussion about testing positive for Covid after the Pfizer booster?  Does the vaccine response create anything that will cause a problem if you are vaccinated too close to your cruise?

[canderson]

No.  The vaccine does not include the genetic material that is detected by the NAAT tests.

 

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by canderson

[Ipeeinthepools]

21 minutes ago, canderson said:

No.  The vaccine does not include the genetic material that is detected by the NAAT tests.

 

 

 

Are the antigen tests the same as NAAT tests?

[canderson]

13 minutes ago, Ipeeinthepools said:

 

Are the antigen tests the same as NAAT tests?

No, and I probably should have included those as well, though an understanding of them makes the idea of accidental detection equally improbable, but in a different way. 😉 

 

A PCR NAAT test looks for specific genetic material from the virus. NAAT tests are designed to 'amplify' (the 2nd 'A') a small amount of any present to the point where it becomes detectable.  Depending on sensitive a PCR test you want to perform, it can take some time to perform that step in the process.  The only gotcha with this test is that it doesn't discriminate between genetic material from a live virus and the remnants of dead virus from a recent (no solid data on what recent can mean - some claim as much as a month after recovery) infection.  The vaccine neither contains nor does it cause the body to create the detected genetic material.

 

An antigen test looks for a protein found on the surface of the virus.  That's a fairly quick yes/no proposition, which is why results can be had in 15 minutes or so, but isn't quite as sensitive.  You won't find the protein in question in the vaccines, either.

 

The test that would pick up the results of vaccination would be an antiBODY test, which does not discern between antibodies caused by exposure to the virus or a vaccine.  So it's not in any way useful for testing for current infection.

[Ipeeinthepools]

1 minute ago, canderson said:

No, and I probably should have included those as well, though an understanding of them makes the idea of accidental detection equally improbable, but in a different way. 😉 

 

A PCR NAAT test looks for specific genetic material from the virus. NAAT tests are designed to 'amplify' (the 2nd 'A') a small amount of any present to the point where it becomes detectable.  Depending on sensitive a PCR test you want to perform, it can take some time to perform that step in the process.  The only gotcha with this test is that it doesn't discriminate between genetic material from a live virus and the remnants of dead virus from a recent (no solid data on what recent can mean - some claim as much as a month after recovery) infection.  The vaccine neither contains nor does it cause the body to create the detected genetic material.

 

An antigen test looks for a protein found on the surface of the virus.  That's a fairly quick yes/no proposition, which is why results can be had in 15 minutes or so, but isn't quite as sensitive.  You won't find the protein in question in the vaccines, either.

 

The test that would pick up the results of vaccination would be an antiBODY test, which does not discern between antibodies caused by exposure to the virus or a vaccine.  So it's not in any way useful for testing for current infection.

 

Thanks

[nocl]

2 hours ago, Ken the cruiser said:

Really? Has the FDA and the CDC deemed what dosage is approved for the Moderna booster and who is authorized to get it? If you can post a link that would be great.

This is the only Moderna booster EUA so far. Immunocompromised only.

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-update-fda-authorizes-additional-vaccine-dose-certain-immunocompromised

 

[canderson]

@nocl

True enough, but I think what's being described here is what's happening in actual practice, not in EUA theory.  As was the case with the original vaccinations, States seem to be coming up with their own schedule for 'boosters' for their own list of defined vulnerable groups, and as before, I expect those for 'boosters' will shift around a lot with time irrespective of other guidance.  Colorado's age cut-off for otherwise healthy individuals for the original shots was a bit of a moving target in the beginning!  I recall it being that way elsewhere as well.

 

What I find odd is that Moderna is being supplied without any specific guidance from Moderna with regard to dosage - not even a hint regarding their findings as far as I've heard.  I don't know if Colorado outlets are giving full or half doses, or if there's any consistency in dosing to begin with.  As noted above, it's something I'll be looking into when I get some time.  Have a pretty full plate at the moment, it's going to take some research just to discover this for Colorado (much less other States and how they're handling it!), and don't have an immediate personal need to find out.

 

If anyone who gets a Moderna booster would inquire as to dosage, it would be interesting to know what you got, though we're so generic on the topic here that I would expect this thread to be bounced off the Celebrity thread list and moved somewhere else pretty soon anyway... so speak up quickly! 😄