MSC resume cruising

[zap99]

24 minutes ago, davecttr said:

Can be good, I can't remember the port in Corsica but on entering the from ashore port a gull got a direct hit on the front of my shirt 😱 A nice uniformed French lady rushed out of her office with a roll of paper towel. That evening I could not stop winning in the casino 😁

Every cloud. I once had a brand new wet suit laying on the roof of the car drying. A seagull got it. My girlfriend ( now my wife of 45 years ) said, would you like some tissue. Don't bother, he'll be miles away by now🤣.

[ollienbertsmum]

5 hours ago, Esprit said:

Friends of ours returned from France on Thursday and had the test on Friday. Positive results for both of them yesterday and neither had any Covid symptoms whatsoever!

 

Crazy isn’t it!    It does seem that the symptoms are getting milder which must be good.  However from the 5 people at work who have tested positive the two with the mildest symptoms came out negative on the antibody blood test.  The only person who got it really badly and ended up with pneumonia got the antibodies - but actually he tested negative for COVID at least twice while he was ill.  Go figure.  

[davecttr]

3 hours ago, ollienbertsmum said:

 

Crazy isn’t it!    It does seem that the symptoms are getting milder which must be good.  However from the 5 people at work who have tested positive the two with the mildest symptoms came out negative on the antibody blood test.  The only person who got it really badly and ended up with pneumonia got the antibodies - but actually he tested negative for COVID at least twice while he was ill.  Go figure.  

I read elsewhere that there is a mutated version of the virus in circulation, apparently first identified in February. it appears to be less dangerous but more contagious. I presume several versions of the virus can be in circulation at the same time.

[wowzz]

21 minutes ago, davecttr said:

I read elsewhere that there is a mutated version of the virus in circulation, apparently first identified in February. it appears to be less dangerous but more contagious. I presume several versions of the virus can be in circulation at the same time.

To be fair, just posting unsubstantiated  reports from an unknown source is really unhelpful.

[davecttr]

9 hours ago, wowzz said:

To be fair, just posting unsubstantiated  reports from an unknown source is really unhelpful.

 

Apologies, getting old and forgetful 😕

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53325771

Edited August 31, 2020 by davecttr

[kruzseeka]

10 hours ago, wowzz said:

To be fair, just posting unsubstantiated  reports from an unknown source is really unhelpful.

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200703/Mutated-European-strain-of-coronavirus-more-contagious-but-less-potent.aspx

 

A virus which kills its host is not as successful as one which is less lethal as it has the potential to infect more hosts therefore spreading the disease further.  There is selective pressure for pathogens to be very contagious, but not too deadly.  So over time it would be likely this trend is observed.  Hopefully developed vaccines will be effective on mutated versions too!  

[Adawn47]

2 hours ago, davecttr said:

 

Apologies, getting old and forgetful 😕

 

 

No need for apologies Dave. It comes to us all. Some sooner than others😵.

Avril

[Denarius]

6 hours ago, kruzseeka said:

 

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200703/Mutated-European-strain-of-coronavirus-more-contagious-but-less-potent.aspx

 

A virus which kills its host is not as successful as one which is less lethal as it has the potential to infect more hosts therefore spreading the disease further.  There is selective pressure for pathogens to be very contagious, but not too deadly.  So over time it would be likely this trend is observed.  Hopefully developed vaccines will be effective on mutated versions too!  

Darwin's theory of evolution. The survival of the fittest to survive.

[kruzseeka]

1 hour ago, Denarius said:

Darwin's theory of evolution. The survival of the fittest to survive.

👍

[FamilyCruiserUK]

The simple fact is the test isn't 100%. The common cold mutates and changes every year so I am afraid this one will be the same. The silver lining is that most of the world is working on a treatment as aposed to fewer working on a cure for the common cold.

Back to main thread the more cruises we see going safely the better. After all people are catching or testing positive on flights and no chance of them being stopped from operating.

 

[wowzz]

As Peter Hitchens said yesterday, you are more likely to be killed from a tortoise being dropped by a bird than from CV19.

So, let cruising start again,  but, only with home ports.  So, round UK cruises. There is absolutely no reason why such cruises couldn't start tomorrow.  After all, if I can drive around the UK, why can't I cruise around it ? The infection rate is extremely low, and the mortality rate is infinitessimal for the vast majority of the population.   

[terrierjohn]

1 minute ago, wowzz said:

As Peter Hitchens said yesterday, you are more likely to be killed from a tortoise being dropped by a bird than from CV19.

So, let cruising start again,  but, only with home ports.  So, round UK cruises. There is absolutely no reason why such cruises couldn't start tomorrow.  After all, if I can drive around the UK, why can't I cruise around it ? The infection rate is extremely low, and the mortality rate is infinitessimal for the vast majority of the population.   

Just as long as they only use the tired and battered old Arcadia or Aurora for these cruises, and leave the bigger and better ones for my hot weather itineraries.

[wowzz]

1 minute ago, terrierjohn said:

Just as long as they only use the tired and battered old Arcadia or Aurora for these cruises, and leave the bigger and better ones for my hot weather itineraries.

John - you are welcome to the bigger ships. I'm quite happy with Arcadia, but will be switching to Saga in the future. 

[davecttr]

9 hours ago, wowzz said:

As Peter Hitchens said yesterday, you are more likely to be killed from a tortoise being dropped by a bird than from CV19.

So, let cruising start again,  but, only with home ports.  So, round UK cruises. There is absolutely no reason why such cruises couldn't start tomorrow.  After all, if I can drive around the UK, why can't I cruise around it ? The infection rate is extremely low, and the mortality rate is infinitessimal for the vast majority of the population.   

What is the definition of a vast majority?. Initial searches suggest 'vast' is over 85% and 'overwhelming' is over 70%

About 37% of the UK population is aged 50 and over and 24% is aged 60 and over. 

There is debate about what vast and overwhelming mean.

There are about 25 million people in the UK aged 50 or over and 16 million aged 60 or over.

 

Fatality rates appear to be difficult to calculate especially for the UK as until recently if I was killed by a bird dropping a tortoise on my head months after catching COVID-19 I would have died from COVID, not the tortoise.

 

CDC in the USA have some interesting data using the 18 to 29 age as a control group

figures are for hospitalisation and death

18-29     1X    1X

30-39     2X    4X

40-49     3X    10X

50-64     4X    30X

65-74     5X    90X

75-84     8X    220X

85+        13X  630X

Edited September 1, 2020 by davecttr

[janny444]

18 minutes ago, davecttr said:

What is the definition of a vast majority?. Initial searches suggest 'vast' is over 85% and 'overwhelming' is over 70%

About 37% of the UK population is aged 50 and over and 24% is aged 60 and over. 

There is debate about what vast and overwhelming mean.

There are about 25 million people in the UK aged 50 or over and 16 million aged 60 or over.

 

Fatality rates appear to be difficult to calculate especially for the UK as until recently if I was killed by a bird dropping a tortoise on my head months after catching COVID-19 I would have died from COVID, not the tortoise.

 

CDC in the USA have some interesting data using the 18 to 29 age as a control group

figures are for hospitalisation and death

18-29     1X    1X

30-39     2X    4X

40-49     3X    10X

50-64     4X    30X

65-74     5X    90X

75-84     8X    220X

85+        13X  630X

Hi.....are these figures for hospitalisation  and death as stated OR death and hospitalisation....if the former the number of deaths in relation to number of hospitalisations seems rather high.... unless I have misunderstood 😕

[terrierjohn]

1 minute ago, janny444 said:

Hi.....are these figures for hospitalisation  and death as stated OR death and hospitalisation....if the former the number of deaths in relation to number of hospitalisations seems rather high.... unless I have misunderstood 😕

I believe these might have been some of Trumps statistics.😇

[Adawn47]

3 hours ago, terrierjohn said:

I believe these might have been some of Trumps statistics.😇

Totally believable then 🙄

Avril

[Bazrat]

16 hours ago, terrierjohn said:

Just as long as they only use the tired and battered old Arcadia or Aurora for these cruises, and leave the bigger and better ones for my hot weather itineraries.

Tired and battered old Arcadia is still our favourite ship but not being as experienced cruiser like yourself we thought she was in really good condition.

[davecttr]

6 hours ago, janny444 said:

Hi.....are these figures for hospitalisation  and death as stated OR death and hospitalisation....if the former the number of deaths in relation to number of hospitalisations seems rather high.... unless I have misunderstood 😕

I don't know if the deaths are all of people in hospital. However the figures do show that catching COVID-19 is more dangerous the older you get, the figures for younger age groups are not included but they do show the risks diminish with age. What I find worrying is we see a potential polarization of society between the young and the old. Yet another example of no grey areas in issues

 

BTW I think the CDC is not a favourite of the orange one.

Edited September 1, 2020 by davecttr

[terrierjohn]

1 minute ago, Bazrat said:

Tired and battered old Arcadia is still our favourite ship but not being as experienced cruiser like yourself we thought she was in really good condition.

I think in Arcadia's case it's the cheap Italian steel, that shows rust marks on her hull, even when its freshly painted. But if her standard balcony cabins are clean and tidy, then they are some of the best in the fleet. Just don't study her too closely as you wander back along the dock.

[Bazrat]

1 hour ago, terrierjohn said:

I think in Arcadia's case it's the cheap Italian steel, that shows rust marks on her hull, even when its freshly painted. But if her standard balcony cabins are clean and tidy, then they are some of the best in the fleet. Just don't study her too closely as you wander back along the dock.

The only time I would be worried about a bit of rust if you could see through it 😂

[wowzz]

We do like the balcony  cabins on Arcadia, with the sofa and coffee table. More like a mini suite than a standard cabin.

And you get a proper bath as well, so you can have a shower without being strangled by the shower curtain.

[Selbourne]

19 hours ago, wowzz said:

After all, if I can drive around the UK, why can't I cruise around it ? 

Because when you drive around the U.K. you aren’t up close and personal with thousands of other people, as you are on a cruise. Round U.K. cruises don’t reduce the risk one jot. Even most of the cruise lines know that cruising is not yet safe. If they thought differently they would be making one hell of a fuss about the need to resume full schedules ASAP. They aren’t for a reason. 

[Dermotsgirl]

3 minutes ago, Selbourne said:

Because when you drive around the U.K. you aren’t up close and personal with thousands of other people, as you are on a cruise. Round U.K. cruises don’t reduce the risk one jot. Even most of the cruise lines know that cruising is not yet safe. If they thought differently they would be making one hell of a fuss about the need to resume full schedules ASAP. They aren’t for a reason. 

Cruises are an ideal environment for spreading viruses.

 

I finished work in December 2014, and since then have had just three colds, all caught on winter cruises from Southampton 

[davecttr]

33 minutes ago, Selbourne said:

Because when you drive around the U.K. you aren’t up close and personal with thousands of other people, as you are on a cruise. Round U.K. cruises don’t reduce the risk one jot. Even most of the cruise lines know that cruising is not yet safe. If they thought differently they would be making one hell of a fuss about the need to resume full schedules ASAP. They aren’t for a reason. 

Indeed, back in January I was planning to spend 2021 seeing the places in the UK that I should have visited. I don't drive but travel by train and bus was fine.

 

Then came Covid 😱